(07-23-2016 07:08 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I know some will disagree, but strength and conditioning is one thing you either do adequately or inadequately, there is no excellent or outstanding level. Most teams do it adequately.

Disagree


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In the Tuesday July, 26 edition of the Jonesboro Sun, Matt Roberson (a writer chastised for being a Razorback fan, and having an anti-ASU agenda by A-State fans, and certainly not considered a homer), made his prediction of the order of finish this year in the SBC.

Thought some of his comments might be of interest to some.

His predicted order of finish: 1. A-State, 2.AppSt,3. GaSo,4.ULL,5. GaSt,6. Troy,7. Idaho.,8. USA,9. NMSU,10. TxSt,11 .ULM.

A-State- ".. look at the defensive side of the football, where the talent boils over. ASU owns this league and it will be a while before anyone catches up."

AppSt-" The Mountaineers are Arkansas State's closest competition in the SBC, but they're still a year or two away from really being a contender."

GaSo- " The Eagles are under new head coach Tyson Summers and have a new defensive coordinator, ..."

ULL- " With 14 starters back, including senior running back Elijah McGuire, it's hard to imagine ULL remaining down for a second straight year."

GaSt- " It would be easy to dismiss the upstart Panthers, but with 16 starters returning, including nine on defense, there's a lot to like."

Troy-" This team has the makings of a darkhorse, and is one that could pull a surprise or two."

Idaho- "Now in coach Paul Petrino's fourth year, the Vandals are poised for a winning record and bowl game with 14 starters back...."

USA- " This year USA has 10 returning starters, five on each side of the ball, but the team is still very green. There's a lot of potential for this program but it's got a lot of growth to do before tapping into it."

NMSU- " Junior running back Larry Rose will be exciting to watch and the defense should improve with seven returning starters. Just don't expect that much improvement."

TxSt- "With only 10 starters returning, the Bobcats have a long road in front of them."

ULM- " ULM returns eight starters on offense but only three on defense. ULM is a tough place to win for any coach."

Apps a year or two away from being a real contender....okay...are we talking about the same mountaineers who finished 33rd in the nation last year, is 1-1 against the other ASU, finished second last year, has had the top defense the last 2 years and the first or second ranked offense the last 2 years, and is pick by many publications to win the SBC this year, that APP team? Got to be honest, you say this guy isn't a homer but I don't see it

(07-27-2016 01:33 PM)moehler Wrote:  Apps a year or two away from being a real contender....okay...are we talking about the same mountaineers who finished 33rd in the nation last year, is 1-1 against the other ASU, finished second last year, has had the top defense the last 2 years and the first or second ranked offense the last 2 years, and is pick by many publications to win the SBC this year, that APP team? Got to be honest, you say this guy isn't a homer but I don't see it

I think so.

I'll let the A-State fans comment on Mr. Roberson.and for the record I don't think your team is that talented overall, and if everybody associated with their program not written off the game against a mediocre AppSt team in 2014 as an auto "w" this would be a mute issue.

While their overall talent advantage made it a certainty they would redeem themselves 2015, against a better team IMO, everyone knew that the embarrassing loss would sting for a while.

(07-27-2016 01:33 PM)moehler Wrote:  Got to be honest, you say this guy isn't a homer but I don't see it

Growing up, I went to school with the dude.

He's a hog fan, and has always been anti-ASU.

(07-27-2016 02:25 PM)asuwon Wrote:  He's a hog fan, and has always been anti-ASU.

Weird a hog fan would have a hatred of App State.

(07-27-2016 01:56 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 01:33 PM)moehler Wrote:  Apps a year or two away from being a real contender....okay...are we talking about the same mountaineers who finished 33rd in the nation last year, is 1-1 against the other ASU, finished second last year, has had the top defense the last 2 years and the first or second ranked offense the last 2 years, and is pick by many publications to win the SBC this year, that APP team? Got to be honest, you say this guy isn't a homer but I don't see it

I think so.

I'll let the A-State fans comment on Mr. Roberson.and for the record I don't think your team is that talented overall, and if everybody associated with their program not written of the game against a mediocre AppSt team in 2014 as an auto "w" this would be a mute issue.

While their overall talent advantage made it a certainty they would redeem themselves 2015, against a better team IMO, everyone knew that the embarrassing loss would sting for a while.

You know, I'm amazed by what this guy says a lot of the time.

But then I have to remind myself that most of the time he's shitting on App.....and I'm not bothered by this.

Look at what the guy said...

"ASU owns this league and it will be a while before anyone catches up."

I agree with the thought. However, I'm a lifelong fan.

This is coming from a writer, who probably cringed and had his stomach churn, as he was typing those words.

(07-27-2016 02:26 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 02:25 PM)asuwon Wrote:  He's a hog fan, and has always been anti-ASU.

Weird a hog fan would have a hatred of App State.

(07-27-2016 02:30 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 01:56 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 01:33 PM)moehler Wrote:  Apps a year or two away from being a real contender....okay...are we talking about the same mountaineers who finished 33rd in the nation last year, is 1-1 against the other ASU, finished second last year, has had the top defense the last 2 years and the first or second ranked offense the last 2 years, and is pick by many publications to win the SBC this year, that APP team? Got to be honest, you say this guy isn't a homer but I don't see it

I think so.

I'll let the A-State fans comment on Mr. Roberson.and for the record I don't think your team is that talented overall, and if everybody associated with their program not written of the game against a mediocre AppSt team in 2014 as an auto "w" this would be a mute issue.

While their overall talent advantage made it a certainty they would redeem themselves 2015, against a better team IMO, everyone knew that the embarrassing loss would sting for a while.

You know, I'm amazed by what this guy says a lot of the time.

But then I have to remind myself that most of the time he's shitting on App.....and I'm not bothered by this.

I did not seen many of the politically correct types here watching my back when I was on the realignment forum posting that getting AppSt and GaSo would be among the biggest gets in realignment, and would eventually be a big reason the SBC would pass CUSA.

I did not say it because I'm a fan of either I said it because it was and still is true, and I'm now banned from the CUSA forum here.

Can't be politically correct here either, because A-State is by any measure the best program in the SBC (ULL is a close 2nd), and when it comes to overall talent it is not even close. It is just true, like it or not.

The only reason there is an illusion of parity is they have undergone an extraordinary number of coaching changes and it has been almost one and a half decade since they have had a HC make it to his 3rd year.

GaSo and AppSt have a great winning tradition but are currently middle-of-the-pack at best in overall talent, and the rest of the SBC just needs to tell their coaches (especially ULL fans) to do their job.

Two teams that are 25-3 against the other 9 football members have "middle-of-the-pack" talent? Do you actually believe that stuff or are you just trolling?

Yes I believe that stuff, because I know it to be a fact.

Not sure what they are doing at places like ULL, but they just told their HC at A-State after the 2014 season, where he lost to pitiful AppSt, and TxSt teams, don't do it again, and while you are at it don't lose to any SBC team.

That was really not that difficult to do in 2015, and the ultra-talented 2016 team has gotten the message..........well they threw in don't lose to any G5, or FCS after 2015, but that should not be a problem either. At least it better not be a problem.

(07-27-2016 03:27 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Two teams that are 25-3 against the other 9 football members have "middle-of-the-pack" talent? Do you actually believe that stuff or are you just trolling?

Don't waste your time. He really does believe it. He plugs number into a computer and doesn't take into account player development, S&C programs, etc.

Middle of road talent out of HS playing as a team will continue to out work the rest of the conference and rack up wins. We wear it as a badge of honor and will continue pumping out two star athletes that graduate with rings and get invited to NFL camps each year.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/college

(07-27-2016 04:08 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 03:27 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Two teams that are 25-3 against the other 9 football members have "middle-of-the-pack" talent? Do you actually believe that stuff or are you just trolling?

Don't waste your time. He really does believe it. He plugs number into a computer and doesn't take into account player development, S&C programs, etc.

Middle of road talent out of HS playing as a team will continue to out work the rest of the conference and rack up wins. We wear it as a badge of honor and will continue pumping out two star athletes that graduate with rings and get invited to NFL camps each year.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/college

Like it or not that is true.

They do adjust the data for other factors but the data is for macro not micro purposes anyway, and try and remember I'm speaking to data about your overall roster talent (and I can assure you the roster info will not be 100% correct) not the talent on your two deep for a specific game. Not having his talent available for the games he loss has been the #1 excuse for the A-State HC, and his administration, and supporters seem to have excepted his excuse.

That is why you were one of the big gets in realignment.

(07-27-2016 04:08 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  will continue pumping out two star athletes that graduate with rings and get invited to NFL camps each year.

Probably won't be Sun Belt championship rings, though.

These days, we pretty well have the market cornered on those.

(07-27-2016 05:01 PM)asuwon Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 04:08 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  will continue pumping out two star athletes that graduate with rings and get invited to NFL camps each year.

Probably won't be Sun Belt championship rings, though.

These days, we pretty well have the market cornered on those.

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(07-27-2016 05:01 PM)asuwon Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 04:08 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  will continue pumping out two star athletes that graduate with rings and get invited to NFL camps each year.

Probably won't be Sun Belt championship rings, though.

These days, we pretty well have the market cornered on those.

Drops mike and walks away......

(07-27-2016 05:01 PM)asuwon Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 04:08 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  will continue pumping out two star athletes that graduate with rings and get invited to NFL camps each year.

Probably won't be Sun Belt championship rings, though.

These days, we pretty well have the market cornered on those.

Well, some of us haven't been around long enough to contend for most of those rings.

both App and GS caught the conference off guard, they thought we would eventually become contenders for the SBC, but not in our first couple of years, now fans, it seems especially Ark St, seem to be worried that a "changing of the guard" is now happening. I'm sure it didn't make some Ark St fans happy last year when both App and GS won their first bowl game, and App finished 33rd in the nation. Now, I will be the first to admit, at this moment, Ark St is top dog, and will continue to be that until someone knocks them off, but you can be in denial all you want, but the results suggest both App and GS are a lot closer in terms of talent to Ark St, then you guys are willing to admit. Oh ya, one more thing since you guys are so into numbers, App just got a DE to commit this week, 3 star, who had offers from NC, NC State, and ECU amoung others. I believe that gives us 4 or 5 3 stars. For a program that can only recruit inferior talent we seem to be doing just fine.

I just don't see how you guys think any of those rings are relevant besides the one from last year to us or GS fans.