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RE: so, who are we losing?
Right after the big12 adds 4 teams the sun belt will then take USM and FAU.
AAC fills in with NIU and Marshall. Cusa is left with 10 teams.
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(07-19-2016 07:15 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  2 of UC, UM and UH.
Agree. If 4, then all 3 + BYU, perhaps.
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(07-19-2016 07:28 PM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  Right after the big12 adds 4 teams the sun belt will then take USM and FAU.
AAC fills in with NIU and Marshall. Cusa is left with 10 teams.

*ducks for cover*

But i wouldn't complain. Would prefer USM join NIU though

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(07-19-2016 07:17 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  The B12 is not expanding.

You obviously fell and hit your head, and just woke up. Boren and Bowlsby disagree with you.
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(07-19-2016 06:16 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(07-19-2016 05:44 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  I hope they add 2: BYU and [insert AAC team]
Agreed. And backfill with NIU!


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NIU has good football (and bad but improving basketball) to be sure but as a university, it does not match the AAC at all.

It's endowment is half the size of the current smallest endowment in the conference. It's enrollment is shrinking (at 19K its down 10% from 2012). USNAWR puts it between 175-200, other rankings put it at or near the bottom of the AAC.

Buffalo has good basketball (and bad but improving football)

It's endowment would be 5th or 6th (depending on if Cincy leaves) and rankings would put them in the top half of the conference. It's enrollment is 30K (Up about 5% from 2012) and going up to 32K in the next year or two based on a 10% rise in applications per year for the past few years.

Really NIU's appeal relies on them convincing people they can split the Chicago market with Notre Dame, Illinois, and North Western.

It might be enough for NIU but if their football falters, as programs do from time to time, they have little to offer the AAC. Great football programs come and go. CMU was the toast of the MAC not too long ago.
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(07-19-2016 09:43 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(07-19-2016 06:16 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(07-19-2016 05:44 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  I hope they add 2: BYU and [insert AAC team]
Agreed. And backfill with NIU!


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NIU has good football (and bad but improving basketball) to be sure but as a university, it does not match the AAC at all.

It's endowment is half the size of the current smallest endowment in the conference. It's enrollment is shrinking (at 19K its down 10% from 2012). USNAWR puts it between 175-200, other rankings put it at or near the bottom of the AAC.

Buffalo has good basketball (and bad but improving football)

It's endowment would be 5th or 6th (depending on if Cincy leaves) and rankings would put them in the top half of the conference. It's enrollment is 30K (Up about 5% from 2012) and going up to 32K in the next year or two based on a 10% rise in applications per year for the past few years.

Really NIU's appeal relies on them convincing people they can split the Chicago market with Notre Dame, Illinois, and North Western.

It might be enough for NIU but if their football falters, as programs do from time to time, they have little to offer the AAC. Great football programs come and go. CMU was the toast of the MAC not too long ago.
But does Buffalo have AAC reps coming as guests to a football game at a downtown location in a professional sports venue?

NIU will be hosting AAC reps at the Chitown Showdown with Toledo at US Cellular field in November. I've gotta imagine that means something. Also, this has been a planned meet for around 2-3 months now so there very well could be a handshake agreement set in place already. I understand arguing points for your alma mater, I'm doing the same. NIU has been to a BCS bowl and the AAC would like to keep a tradition of capturing the NY6 bowl. NIU can help keep that tradition. Buffalo has not (at this point) proven they can. Obviously that can change, but it's safer to bet on what you know rather than what you don't.

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(07-19-2016 09:48 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(07-19-2016 09:43 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(07-19-2016 06:16 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(07-19-2016 05:44 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  I hope they add 2: BYU and [insert AAC team]
Agreed. And backfill with NIU!


Right brother?

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NIU has good football (and bad but improving basketball) to be sure but as a university, it does not match the AAC at all.

It's endowment is half the size of the current smallest endowment in the conference. It's enrollment is shrinking (at 19K its down 10% from 2012). USNAWR puts it between 175-200, other rankings put it at or near the bottom of the AAC.

Buffalo has good basketball (and bad but improving football)

It's endowment would be 5th or 6th (depending on if Cincy leaves) and rankings would put them in the top half of the conference. It's enrollment is 30K (Up about 5% from 2012) and going up to 32K in the next year or two based on a 10% rise in applications per year for the past few years.

Really NIU's appeal relies on them convincing people they can split the Chicago market with Notre Dame, Illinois, and North Western.

It might be enough for NIU but if their football falters, as programs do from time to time, they have little to offer the AAC. Great football programs come and go. CMU was the toast of the MAC not too long ago.
But does Buffalo have AAC reps coming as guests to a football game at a downtown location in a professional sports venue?

Has what to do with my post.I said clear as day "it might be enough".

Given how bad your attendance has been in Dekalb and the fact the "professional football stadium is *an hour* from your campus I think a gimmick game in Chicago land may be seen for what it is.

Quote:NIU will be hosting AAC reps at the Chitown Showdown with Toledo at US Cellular field in November. I've gotta imagine that means something. Also, this has been a planned meet for around 2-3 months now so there very well could be a handshake agreement set in place already.

Once again... I said "It might be enough"

Quote:I understand arguing points for your alma mater, I'm doing the same. NIU has been to a BCS bowl and the AAC would like to keep a tradition of capturing the NY6 bowl. NIU can help keep that tradition. Buffalo has not (at this point) proven they can. Obviously that can change, but it's safer to bet on what you know rather than what you don't.

The AAC also wants to maintain their swag as a basketball conference and losing Memphis / Cincy will put a dent in that. NIU basketball won't help there.
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(07-19-2016 07:30 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(07-19-2016 07:17 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  The B12 is not expanding.

You obviously fell and hit your head, and just woke up. Boren and Bowlsby disagree with you.

Can someone check if goodknightfl is ok? Concussions are no joke.
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(07-19-2016 11:57 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(07-19-2016 07:30 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(07-19-2016 07:17 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  The B12 is not expanding.

You obviously fell and hit your head, and just woke up. Boren and Bowlsby disagree with you.

Can someone check if goodknightfl is ok? Concussions are no joke.

Ya lol something is very wrong with him.
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(07-19-2016 11:55 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(07-19-2016 09:48 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(07-19-2016 09:43 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(07-19-2016 06:16 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(07-19-2016 05:44 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  I hope they add 2: BYU and [insert AAC team]
Agreed. And backfill with NIU!


Right brother?

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NIU has good football (and bad but improving basketball) to be sure but as a university, it does not match the AAC at all.

It's endowment is half the size of the current smallest endowment in the conference. It's enrollment is shrinking (at 19K its down 10% from 2012). USNAWR puts it between 175-200, other rankings put it at or near the bottom of the AAC.

Buffalo has good basketball (and bad but improving football)

It's endowment would be 5th or 6th (depending on if Cincy leaves) and rankings would put them in the top half of the conference. It's enrollment is 30K (Up about 5% from 2012) and going up to 32K in the next year or two based on a 10% rise in applications per year for the past few years.

Really NIU's appeal relies on them convincing people they can split the Chicago market with Notre Dame, Illinois, and North Western.

It might be enough for NIU but if their football falters, as programs do from time to time, they have little to offer the AAC. Great football programs come and go. CMU was the toast of the MAC not too long ago.
But does Buffalo have AAC reps coming as guests to a football game at a downtown location in a professional sports venue?

Has what to do with my post.I said clear as day "it might be enough".

Given how bad your attendance has been in Dekalb and the fact the "professional football stadium is *an hour* from your campus I think a gimmick game in Chicago land may be seen for what it is.

Quote:NIU will be hosting AAC reps at the Chitown Showdown with Toledo at US Cellular field in November. I've gotta imagine that means something. Also, this has been a planned meet for around 2-3 months now so there very well could be a handshake agreement set in place already.

Once again... I said "It might be enough"

Quote:I understand arguing points for your alma mater, I'm doing the same. NIU has been to a BCS bowl and the AAC would like to keep a tradition of capturing the NY6 bowl. NIU can help keep that tradition. Buffalo has not (at this point) proven they can. Obviously that can change, but it's safer to bet on what you know rather than what you don't.

The AAC also wants to maintain their swag as a basketball conference and losing Memphis / Cincy will put a dent in that. NIU basketball won't help there.
Football is much more important than basketball...

And NIU basketball is very much on the rise and we have an exceptional group of freshman coming in. We'll be in the mix for the west, just like in football

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USM is going to be a threat to play in a NY6 bowl going forward. Of course, on the field performance is ranked #263 in realignment decisions.
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(07-20-2016 12:06 AM)Noodles Wrote:  USM is going to be a threat to play in a NY6 bowl going forward. Of course, on the field performance is ranked #263 in realignment decisions.

Is going to be a threat? Why? 03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao
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Play us and find out, sweetie.
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(07-20-2016 12:06 AM)Noodles Wrote:  USM is going to be a threat to play in a NY6 bowl going forward. Of course, on the field performance is ranked #263 in realignment decisions.

Lol
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(07-19-2016 07:28 PM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  Right after the big12 adds 4 teams the sun belt will then take USM and FAU.
AAC fills in with NIU and Marshall. Cusa is left with 10 teams.

Why would the Sunbelt add schools and dilute their already terrible money situation? I think their contract will improve during their next negotiation, but in reality only USM, Marshall, and maybe ODU would additionally boost money more.
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(07-20-2016 12:47 AM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  
(07-19-2016 07:28 PM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  Right after the big12 adds 4 teams the sun belt will then take USM and FAU.
AAC fills in with NIU and Marshall. Cusa is left with 10 teams.

Why would the Sunbelt add schools and dilute their already terrible money situation? I think their contract will improve during their next negotiation, but in reality only USM, Marshall, and maybe ODU would additionally boost money more.

basically leaves a gutted CUSA and improves our conference and we gain the FL and Miss markets and recruiting. Its a power grab and mostly it was in jest to annoy the CUSA fans who couldn't even fathom a team leaving for the SBC. Gaining USM would be worth diluting the money a little bit. It would be 12 teams with 2 divisions. That would bring a little more to the table when negotiating.
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(07-20-2016 12:30 AM)Noodles Wrote:  Play us and find out, sweetie.

Your full of shi_# do you onow that? UsM program has done nothing in four years. No one is impressed dude.
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I think the thing everyone needs to take a serious look at when trying to determine the future of the AAC is how will losing certain schools effect the TV deal when it’s up for renewal and moving forward.

I don’t remember the exact details of the deal I just remember Houston, Cincinnati, UConn and Temple were tier 1 schools and if I remember correctly if the AAC loses two of those programs ESPN has the right to cancel the current deal and open up renegotiations. Someone help me out with the details here.

In any event, if that happens I don’t see a cash strapped ESPN who just committed to an ACC network passing on the opportunity to cut some cost from there bottom line. If the contract is opened back up or renegotiated down how attractive would that unknown be to MWC programs looking to join? Based on what happened with the MAC and CUSA contracts would the AAC even end up being that much of a step up financially for them?
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(07-20-2016 08:09 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  I think the thing everyone needs to take a serious look at when trying to determine the future of the AAC is how will losing certain schools effect the TV deal when it’s up for renewal and moving forward.

I don’t remember the exact details of the deal I just remember Houston, Cincinnati, UConn and Temple were tier 1 schools and if I remember correctly if the AAC loses two of those programs ESPN has the right to cancel the current deal and open up renegotiations. Someone help me out with the details here.

In any event, if that happens I don’t see a cash strapped ESPN who just committed to an ACC network passing on the opportunity to cut some cost from there bottom line. If the contract is opened back up or renegotiated down how attractive would that unknown be to MWC programs looking to join? Based on what happened with the MAC and CUSA contracts would the AAC even end up being that much of a step up financially for them?

Unfortunately we will be in big trouble. No Cusa team will bring anynvalue to this league,they in fact will cause us to loose value. Hopefully we get Army to join and srop yhe bleeding at a 10 member AAC conf.
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