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(07-11-2016 01:46 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(07-11-2016 07:45 AM)Rocket Pirate Wrote:  
(07-11-2016 02:13 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  FSU UGA Ga Tech Louisville Rutgers Stanford Texas UCF UCLA/USC USF Vandy

It would be fun to see the Rockets at some of those places, but I do like the strategy of scheduling home/home with other good mid majors instead of being exclusively on the road against Power 5 teams. On your list, only UCF, USF, and maybe Rutgers or Vandy would consider a game at Toledo.

One and done with a BIG name (not looking at you Vandy), iconic program I think is still great, at least every other year, which would basically be two games for each player. I think it would be great to reward our players with an opportunity to play in the Rose Bowl or Nebraska.... even if there's no reciprocation and even better if it's a pay-day.

Bigger program P5, 2 for 1.

Vandy's and Rutgers of the world, home and home or nothing, basically the same I'd hope for with a good mid-major. I'm still not seeing the value of the FCS games but some are real proponents of them so there must be something to that.

The Academies though, those are special. Love to see it made some sort of unofficial policy, attempt to have one of them on the schedule every year.

I am not sure that the crowds at the Glass Bowl over the last few years really justifies any 2 for 1 contracts. Besides UT has done pretty well sniffing out 1 for 1 deals such as with Iowa State, Missouri and Miami (Coral Gables) for example. You have to remember that for every 2 for 1 game you schedule and for every 1 and done money road game you schedule you are usually going to have to pick up a FCS team to maintain your home schedule and that is not necessarily a good thing-----and, I suspect that the occasional 1 and done money games does a lot more for the program from a number of perspectives than any 2 for 1 game can do. Just because UT attendance looks "good" compared to most of the MAC doesn't mean that it stacks up that well against that many schools outside the MAC. Frankly I don't that 2 road games against a "name" school in return for one home game will draw enough fans at that home game to cover for that extra inevitable FCS game ----24,000 against Missouri is embarrassing regardless how many excuses are trotted out.

Actually I think MOB or whoever has been doing UT's football scheduling for sometime now has done an excellent job in striking just about the right balance with the scheduling. Considering the lack of attendance (compared to 2000 or 2001 for example) and the limitations that places on schedule options, UT's schedule has been really quite remarkable.
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(07-11-2016 03:52 PM)T-Town Wrote:  Actually I think MOB or whoever has been doing UT's football scheduling for sometime now has done an excellent job in striking just about the right balance with the scheduling. Considering the lack of attendance (compared to 2000 or 2001 for example) and the limitations that places on schedule options, UT's schedule has been really quite remarkable.

No argument against the rest of your post but on this, it seems to be increasing attendance is also part of the AD's job. Buck stops sort of thing.

So that poor attendance against Missouri? I take the view that perhaps someone else could have done better. Not me, but someone. Mostly it brings me to my old argument, I just don't see traditions being sold. I'm not a big believer that "just win baby" increases attendance. People want to feel part of something. Be a member of the club, feel their efforts contribute to the performance and winning. They want flags flying, smells in the air and festivities. Someone just traveling on the highway should know it's game day but certainly anyone on any campus approach and even more so once they've left their car and started heading to the stadium should know they are part of something. It builds as they walk and once they're in the stadium, it builds more. It's a play with acts and the acts have to be planned. Sounds like a AD office job.

They don't feel that in the numbers they should in a town this size. That's why attendance was poor for Missouri.
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(07-11-2016 04:58 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(07-11-2016 03:52 PM)T-Town Wrote:  Actually I think MOB or whoever has been doing UT's football scheduling for sometime now has done an excellent job in striking just about the right balance with the scheduling. Considering the lack of attendance (compared to 2000 or 2001 for example) and the limitations that places on schedule options, UT's schedule has been really quite remarkable.

No argument against the rest of your post but on this, it seems to be increasing attendance is also part of the AD's job. Buck stops sort of thing.

So that poor attendance against Missouri? I take the view that perhaps someone else could have done better. Not me, but someone. Mostly it brings me to my old argument, I just don't see traditions being sold. I'm not a big believer that "just win baby" increases attendance. People want to feel part of something. Be a member of the club, feel their efforts contribute to the performance and winning. They want flags flying, smells in the air and festivities. Someone just traveling on the highway should know it's game day but certainly anyone on any campus approach and even more so once they've left their car and started heading to the stadium should know they are part of something. It builds as they walk and once they're in the stadium, it builds more. It's a play with acts and the acts have to be planned. Sounds like a AD office job.

They don't feel that in the numbers they should in a town this size. That's why attendance was poor for Missouri.

I hear what you are saying. I agree that atmosphere is important to building a large stable fan base but I do think that winning can contribute significantly in building that atmosphere. I imagine that the AD is more focused on enhancing revenue than in attendance per se, but the two are correlated and increasing attendance should be getting serious attention. Back in 2000 and 2001 a lot of those games had a genuine "big time feel" and a real aura of excitement that people wanted to be a part of that I personally have not experienced in the Glass Bowl and in lot 10 since the Pitt game in 2003 (but even then the support had reached the high water mark and was already receding). Back in 2000 & 2001 I really thought that the program was almost over that hump and UT football was on the verge of being a social happening that went well beyond just football for a lot of people who wouldn't want to miss being at or being seen at the Glass Bowl on game day, whether they were that crazy about football or not----the Rockets were seriously close to becoming a major topic of conversation around water coolers on Monday morning all over this area. Rocket Football became very, very close to being a real hot ticket for a year or two there but then it just sort of ran out of steam. Really too bad.

As I have said on numerous occasions, at that point UT football---on the field and in the stands was probably good enough at that time to have gotten the Rockets a conference upgrade, however, the fact that MBB had logged 20 years without a NCAA appearance (at that time) killed any chance that the Rockets may have had to move up IMHO.

In the past several years the teams have improved and have shown that they are able to play at a high level although they are yet to put it all together for an entire season and thus reach their full potential, and perhaps that is part of the reason they have not been able to spark that widespread excitement in the Toledo general population that the Penn State win seemed to generate back in 2000.
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(07-07-2016 09:51 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  My personal wish list for OOC games include ND, Alabama, Utah, Houston, and either WV or Mich St

Would love to see a home and home with Army. I have heard that West Point is beautiful in the fall. UT has played Navy multiple times, why not Army? Army has played multiple other MAC schools.

been there with my son, who is a Kent State grad. Kent beat the cadets in that game when the Flashes had their great 1-2 punch in the back field (forgot their names now) Beautiful campus, lots of history to absorb, great game day experience. The trick is park a mile away and walk the route to the stadium, take it all in. Love to go to Annapolis when and if the Rockets play them there.
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(07-11-2016 09:37 PM)Springboromark Wrote:  
(07-10-2016 01:26 PM)Rocket A Wrote:  
(07-07-2016 09:51 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  My personal wish list for OOC games include ND, Alabama, Utah, Houston, and either WV or Mich St

Would love to see a home and home with Army. I have heard that West Point is beautiful in the fall. UT has played Navy multiple times, why not Army? Army has played multiple other MAC schools.

been there with my son, who is a Kent State grad. Kent beat the cadets in that game when the Flashes had their great 1-2 punch in the back field (forgot their names now) Beautiful campus, lots of history to absorb, great game day experience. The trick is park a mile away and walk the route to the stadium, take it all in. Love to go to Annapolis when and if the Rockets play them there.

would that have been Edelman and Jarvis?
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(07-16-2016 08:58 AM)MotoRocket Wrote:  
(07-11-2016 09:37 PM)Springboromark Wrote:  
(07-10-2016 01:26 PM)Rocket A Wrote:  
(07-07-2016 09:51 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  My personal wish list for OOC games include ND, Alabama, Utah, Houston, and either WV or Mich St

Would love to see a home and home with Army. I have heard that West Point is beautiful in the fall. UT has played Navy multiple times, why not Army? Army has played multiple other MAC schools.

been there with my son, who is a Kent State grad. Kent beat the cadets in that game when the Flashes had their great 1-2 punch in the back field (forgot their names now) Beautiful campus, lots of history to absorb, great game day experience. The trick is park a mile away and walk the route to the stadium, take it all in. Love to go to Annapolis when and if the Rockets play them there.

would that have been Edelman and Jarvis?

That was Keith, Durham, and Archer in 2012. Some guy named Jon Heacock was their DC.
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(07-17-2016 10:09 PM)indianasniff Wrote:  I really don't want to play That Ohio football program

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I think MOB is still counting the $$$ from the game in Cleveland.
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(07-18-2016 07:31 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(07-17-2016 10:09 PM)indianasniff Wrote:  I really don't want to play That Ohio football program

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I think MOB is still counting the $$$ from the game in Cleveland.

I am no great fan of tOSU, but you have to give credit where credit is due and that "Home and Home" deal between the Rockets and tOSU was really a financial windfall for the Rocket coffers.
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Truthfully, not that it matters much, but clearly TOSU has given Toledo respect as its the only Ohio team besides Cincy who's been given a "home game".

Quite remarkable actually.


(07-18-2016 08:05 AM)T-Town Wrote:  
(07-18-2016 07:31 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(07-17-2016 10:09 PM)indianasniff Wrote:  I really don't want to play That Ohio football program

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I think MOB is still counting the $$$ from the game in Cleveland.

I am no great fan of tOSU, but you have to give credit where credit is due and that "Home and Home" deal between the Rockets and tOSU was really a financial windfall for the Rocket coffers.
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(07-18-2016 09:59 AM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  Truthfully, not that it matters much, but clearly TOSU has given Toledo respect as its the only Ohio team besides Cincy who's been given a "home game".

Quite remarkable actually.

I think it matters. Both venues were very exciting and new, most likely one-time experiences for me. No, I didn't see a lot of gracious fans like at Michigan but I didn't come across many jerks either. More in Cleveland, most likely wannabes, than in Columbus and that was only one vender making a snide remark. I think for the most part, the fans in Columbus respect that we won that game plus, they're not pretenders.
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(07-18-2016 10:28 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  I think for the most part, the fans in Columbus respect that we won that game plus, they're not pretenders.

I am afraid that you are confusing "Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda" with what is actually recorded in the record books and the last time I looked the score there was still tOSU 27, UT 22. Close but no cigar.
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(07-18-2016 02:59 PM)T-Town Wrote:  
(07-18-2016 10:28 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  I think for the most part, the fans in Columbus respect that we won that game plus, they're not pretenders.

I am afraid that you are confusing "Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda" with what is actually recorded in the record books and the last time I looked the score there was still tOSU 27, UT 22. Close but no cigar.

I'm not confusing fuch. I'll refer to that as a win to end of days.
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Well, as long as you guys are awarding phantom victories, how about throwing in a few MAC Championships as well? 03-wink

There are plenty "woulda, coulda, shouda" of those lurking out there as well in FB, MBB and WBB .
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(07-20-2016 07:29 AM)T-Town Wrote:  Well, as long as you guys are awarding phantom victories, how about throwing in a few MAC Championships as well? 03-wink

There are plenty "woulda, coulda, shouda" of those lurking out there as well in FB, MBB and WBB .

That streak against BG just hit 70 straight wins and NIU hasn't beaten us forever!
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(07-20-2016 07:29 AM)T-Town Wrote:  Well, as long as you guys are awarding phantom victories, how about throwing in a few MAC Championships as well? 03-wink

There are plenty "woulda, coulda, shouda" of those lurking out there as well in FB, MBB and WBB .

So you're saying Chuck Ealey doesn't deserve to be in the HOF because well, you know, rules. Doesn't matter if they were archaic, they're rules. So yes, even though rules were broken and it was acknowledged that they were broken and OSU won because of that breaking of rules, there's that other rule that looks at the score-board above all else. I award you a phantom victory in this debate, much like the phantom victory OSU fans enjoyed over the Rockets. 03-wink

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(07-20-2016 01:45 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 07:29 AM)T-Town Wrote:  Well, as long as you guys are awarding phantom victories, how about throwing in a few MAC Championships as well? 03-wink

There are plenty "woulda, coulda, shouda" of those lurking out there as well in FB, MBB and WBB .

So you're saying Chuck Ealey doesn't deserve to be in the HOF because well, you know, rules. Doesn't matter if they were archaic, they're rules. So yes, even though rules were broken and it was acknowledged that they were broken and OSU won because of that breaking of rules, there's that other rule that looks at the score-board above all else. I award you a phantom victory in this debate, much like the phantom victory OSU fans enjoyed over the Rockets. 03-wink

Till my end of days.

Of course Chuck Ealey deserves to be in the college HOF but he obviously is not a member at this time.

As Clint Eastwood told Gene Hackman just before finishing him off in the movie Unforgiven, "deserving has got nothing to do with it" and that obviously also sometimes applies to HOF membership as well as to who gets the "W" and who gets the "L" in the record book for some football games.

If you can look back on that game as a win, then more power to you because you are probably more reconciled to the outcome than I am.
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