The change?

All 6-6 teams must now be placed before any 5-7 team can be utilized in a bowl. This could potentially help the AAC to sneak into an unfilled P5 bowl slot. Before, if the bowls ran short of the 80 (or so) qualifiers needed to fill bowls, 5-7 teams were called up on the basis of their "Academic Progress Rate" (APR). If any of those called up 5-7 teams happened to be from a P5 conference that was short a bowl team, they automatically filled that conferences dedicated bowl slot rather than the bowl's back-up conference getting a call for one of its 6-6 (or better) teams.

Now, that wont happen. The bowls will be filled with existing bowl qualifiers FIRST. Only when all the 6-6 teams have been exhausted, will the 5-7 teams with high APR's be available to fill any remaining open slots. That measn only the very lower end bowls will be filled with 5-7 teams. That helps the AAC in another way----on occasion---what is normally a mundane G5 vs G5 lower end AAC bowl could end up being a G5 vs P5 post season opportunity if the ball bounces right for us.

One other interesting change---the 5-7 schools will choose thier bowl rather than the other way around.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...ams-062916

With a lot of autonomy leagues playing 9 conference games, fewer of them will be able to go 4-0 on cupcakes and only needing a 2-6 conference record to get 6 wins.

We have 8 or 9 tie ins per year so the chances of us filling unused tie ins is small. We probably won't be able to fill all of our bowls anyway.

this helps the sunbelt and c-usa not us..we have 9 bowl slots for 12 teams starting this season

all our bowls are with lower end p5 or higher end g5..in essence we will almost never have more than 9 bowl teams (we wont be filler teams), our bowls with g5 will always be filed because they are versus top 3 in their leagues, and our p5 bowls arent guaranteed filled as they are vs #9/10 in p5 conferences

more or less this rule means our good bowls are likely to be filled with #6 sunbelt now, if not filled and #5 sunbelt in crappy sunbelt bowl is likely to get 5-7 name brand p5 team

we only have 1 backup (the liberty, which is #5 for the big 12, will rarely be unfilled)

unless we ditch some our bowls we will rarely see any benefit from this

So how did this rule change anything exactly? I though 6-6 teams always got priority?

(06-29-2016 04:01 PM)pesik Wrote:  this helps the sunbelt and c-usa not us..we have 9 bowl slots for 12 teams starting this season

all our bowls are with lower end p5 or higher end g5..in essence we will almost never have more than 9 bowl teams (we wont be filler teams), our bowls with g5 will always be filed because they are versus top 3 in their leagues, and our p5 bowls arent guaranteed filled as they are vs #9/10 in p5 conferences

more or less this rule means our good bowls are likely to be filled with #6 sunbelt now, if not filled and #5 sunbelt in crappy sunbelt bowl is likely to get 5-7 name brand p5 team

we only have 1 backup (the liberty, which is #5 for the big 12, will rarely be unfilled)

unless we ditch some our bowls we will rarely see any benefit from this

I know some of our backup agreements supersede our bowl ties. For instance, I know if the Liberty Bowl slot is open, the Liberty Bowl gets our #1 team (in other words, they pick ahead of all our current ties). The Indy Bowl backup may work the same way.

(06-29-2016 05:34 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-29-2016 04:01 PM)pesik Wrote:  this helps the sunbelt and c-usa not us..we have 9 bowl slots for 12 teams starting this season

all our bowls are with lower end p5 or higher end g5..in essence we will almost never have more than 9 bowl teams (we wont be filler teams), our bowls with g5 will always be filed because they are versus top 3 in their leagues, and our p5 bowls arent guaranteed filled as they are vs #9/10 in p5 conferences

more or less this rule means our good bowls are likely to be filled with #6 sunbelt now, if not filled and #5 sunbelt in crappy sunbelt bowl is likely to get 5-7 name brand p5 team

we only have 1 backup (the liberty, which is #5 for the big 12, will rarely be unfilled)

unless we ditch some our bowls we will rarely see any benefit from this

I know some of our backup agreements supersede our bowl ties. For instance, I know if the Liberty Bowl slot is open, the Liberty Bowl gets our #1 team (in other words, they pick ahead of all our current ties). The Indy Bowl backup may work the same way.

you missed my point that the the liberty goes to the #5 big 12...them ever needing a backup is rare..

you know a bowl that will likely need p5 backups? bbva (sec #9, not including playoffs & access at-large) , St. Petersburg (#10 acc, not including playoffs) and military (#8 acc, not including playoffs)...
i get that you are looking from a glass half full perspective but if you look at the more plausible outcomes
this means we more likely get 6-6 sunbelt in our good bowls vs 5-7 Tennessees

Didn't the liberty bowl have a 5-7 team last year?

(06-29-2016 06:30 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-29-2016 05:34 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-29-2016 04:01 PM)pesik Wrote:  this helps the sunbelt and c-usa not us..we have 9 bowl slots for 12 teams starting this season

all our bowls are with lower end p5 or higher end g5..in essence we will almost never have more than 9 bowl teams (we wont be filler teams), our bowls with g5 will always be filed because they are versus top 3 in their leagues, and our p5 bowls arent guaranteed filled as they are vs #9/10 in p5 conferences

more or less this rule means our good bowls are likely to be filled with #6 sunbelt now, if not filled and #5 sunbelt in crappy sunbelt bowl is likely to get 5-7 name brand p5 team

we only have 1 backup (the liberty, which is #5 for the big 12, will rarely be unfilled)

unless we ditch some our bowls we will rarely see any benefit from this

I know some of our backup agreements supersede our bowl ties. For instance, I know if the Liberty Bowl slot is open, the Liberty Bowl gets our #1 team (in other words, they pick ahead of all our current ties). The Indy Bowl backup may work the same way.

you missed my point that the the liberty goes to the #5 big 12...them ever needing a backup is rare..

you know a bowl that will likely need p5 backups? bbva (sec #9, not including playoffs & access at-large) , St. Petersburg (#10 acc, not including playoffs) and military (#8 acc, not including playoffs)...
i get that you are looking from a glass half full perspective but if you look at the more plausible outcomes
this means we more likely get 6-6 sunbelt in our good bowls vs 5-7 Tennessees

That is possible, but Aresco has said on multiple occasions that we have the flexibility to fill open P5 bowl slots. The MW agreements are written in a similar fashion (that's how they got a slot in the Buffalo Wild Wings bowl a couple of years ago). So, until proven otherwise, Im assuming the commissioner wrote our bowl agreements in such away to allow us that flexibility.

We have a backup agreement to Indy bowl also, which we filled last year, by Tulsa. This was filled before the Cure bowl was filled.

But generally speaking, this helps the Sun Belt and CUSA WAY more than it helps us.

SunBelt has 5 bowls now with 10 teams going forward. Conference USA benefits the most with 14 teams and six bowls they lost The Arizona bowl to the Sunbelt after not being able to fill it last year so they're down from 7 to 6 bowls and the Sunbelt is up from 4 to 5.

(06-29-2016 06:52 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  Didn't the liberty bowl have a 5-7 team last year?

No, I believe it was a 7-5 (ark) vs 6-6 (k state) match up that ark won dropping state to 6-7.

(06-29-2016 05:22 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  So how did this rule change anything exactly? I though 6-6 teams always got priority?

No 6-6 teams didn't get priority.
Example. Foster Farms Bowl had an 8-4 UCLA and the Big 10 didn't have an eligible 6-6 team to fill the slot. So what happened is that when the 5-7 teams were approved and Nebraska being eligible due to APR, the Big 10 could now fill their tie-in to the bowl.
Now under the new rules, the Foster Farms bowl would have fulfill the Big Ten tie with a 6-6 or better team if available regardless of conference.

I kinda wish they would cut the number of bowls and make it where only 7-5 or better teams go bowling. I know Tulsa got to go bowling at 6-6 last year and I'm glad they did, but it sort of bothers me seeing a team finish with a losing record after going to a bowl.

(06-30-2016 08:28 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(06-29-2016 05:22 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  So how did this rule change anything exactly? I though 6-6 teams always got priority?

No 6-6 teams didn't get priority.
Example. Foster Farms Bowl had an 8-4 UCLA and the Big 10 didn't have an eligible 6-6 team to fill the slot. So what happened is that when the 5-7 teams were approved and Nebraska being eligible due to APR, the Big 10 could now fill their tie-in to the bowl.
Now under the new rules, the Foster Farms bowl would have fulfill the Big Ten tie with a 6-6 or better team if available regardless of conference.

Ya but there were no 6-6 teams available. I thought they just took a 5-7 for that reason. I didn't realize it only applied to the conference.

(06-30-2016 09:01 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 08:28 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(06-29-2016 05:22 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  So how did this rule change anything exactly? I though 6-6 teams always got priority?

No 6-6 teams didn't get priority.
Example. Foster Farms Bowl had an 8-4 UCLA and the Big 10 didn't have an eligible 6-6 team to fill the slot. So what happened is that when the 5-7 teams were approved and Nebraska being eligible due to APR, the Big 10 could now fill their tie-in to the bowl.
Now under the new rules, the Foster Farms bowl would have fulfill the Big Ten tie with a 6-6 or better team if available regardless of conference.

Ya but there were no 6-6 teams available. I thought they just took a 5-7 for that reason. I didn't realize it only applied to the conference.

There were several MW schools to choose from and most likely would have been chosen under the new rules.

(06-30-2016 09:05 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 09:01 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 08:28 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(06-29-2016 05:22 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  So how did this rule change anything exactly? I though 6-6 teams always got priority?

No 6-6 teams didn't get priority.
Example. Foster Farms Bowl had an 8-4 UCLA and the Big 10 didn't have an eligible 6-6 team to fill the slot. So what happened is that when the 5-7 teams were approved and Nebraska being eligible due to APR, the Big 10 could now fill their tie-in to the bowl.
Now under the new rules, the Foster Farms bowl would have fulfill the Big Ten tie with a 6-6 or better team if available regardless of conference.

Ya but there were no 6-6 teams available. I thought they just took a 5-7 for that reason. I didn't realize it only applied to the conference.

There were several MW schools to choose from and most likely would have been chosen under the new rules.

Ah ok i didn't know that. I really like this new rule.

(06-29-2016 11:00 PM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  SunBelt has 5 bowls now with 10 teams going forward. Conference USA benefits the most with 14 teams and six bowls they lost The Arizona bowl to the Sunbelt after not being able to fill it last year so they're down from 7 to 6 bowls and the Sunbelt is up from 4 to 5.

Cusa lost a bowl to the Funbelt. Lmao