(06-25-2016 02:40 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(06-25-2016 10:20 AM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  

(06-24-2016 11:38 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-24-2016 08:48 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  Out of that group, only Boise State and East Carolina have routinely beaten P5's year in year out and that's without a true recruiting pipeline.

Those 2 are the only ones that can compete right away.

You got 50% of that correct

ECU
Florida @ L
Virginia Tech W
South Carolina @ L
Virginia Tech @ W
Florida BOWL L
Virginia Tech L
North Carolina @ W
North Carolina State @ W
South Carolina @ L
North Carolina @ L
South Carolina N L
Virginia Tech L
Virginia Tech @ L
North Carolina @ L
North Carolina State W
Maryland BOWL. L
West Virginia @ L
North Carolina @ L
Virginia Tech @ L
Arkansas BOWL L

Since 2009 - 20 games ECU is 5-15

Boise
Washington W
Virginia W
Mississippi N L
Arizona BOWL W
Washington @ L
Oregon State BOWL L
Michigan State @ L
Washington BOWL W
Georgia @ W
Arizona State BOWL W
Virginia Tech @ W
Oregon State @ W
Oregon @ W

SINCE 2009 9-4

I think the word was compete immediately. You base that on current performance.

In 3 seasons they've played 8 P5's and are 5-3 against them. Should have been 6-2.

ECU lost to Florida by 7. Beat Virginia Tech
Beat Virginia Tech, Lost to South Carolina by 10, Beat UNC
Lost to Virginia Tech by 5, Beat UNC, Beat NC State.

Boise definitely. Boise has consistently beaten high ranked P5 teams in big games Oklahoma BCS bowL

NC State and UNC football are no powerhouses football hardly ever ranked and never mentioned in former BCS discussions. Virginia Tech has had some glory years but have fell on hard times also same with South Carolina. I would compare ECU success against P5 with Tech, not anything to discount but nowhere even in the same realm as Boise.

USM or Marshall can argue that. You don't count, you dumb.

You can compete with a losing record guys. In reality, if you look back at your last 4 or 5 good P5 games(top 5 in their conferences) and all/most of them are within 10 pts or so, then you can claim that your team may be competitive...problem solved

(06-25-2016 04:21 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  

(06-25-2016 02:40 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(06-25-2016 10:20 AM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  

(06-24-2016 11:38 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-24-2016 08:48 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  Out of that group, only Boise State and East Carolina have routinely beaten P5's year in year out and that's without a true recruiting pipeline.

Those 2 are the only ones that can compete right away.

You got 50% of that correct

ECU
Florida @ L
Virginia Tech W
South Carolina @ L
Virginia Tech @ W
Florida BOWL L
Virginia Tech L
North Carolina @ W
North Carolina State @ W
South Carolina @ L
North Carolina @ L
South Carolina N L
Virginia Tech L
Virginia Tech @ L
North Carolina @ L
North Carolina State W
Maryland BOWL. L
West Virginia @ L
North Carolina @ L
Virginia Tech @ L
Arkansas BOWL L

Since 2009 - 20 games ECU is 5-15

Boise
Washington W
Virginia W
Mississippi N L
Arizona BOWL W
Washington @ L
Oregon State BOWL L
Michigan State @ L
Washington BOWL W
Georgia @ W
Arizona State BOWL W
Virginia Tech @ W
Oregon State @ W
Oregon @ W

SINCE 2009 9-4

I think the word was compete immediately. You base that on current performance.

In 3 seasons they've played 8 P5's and are 5-3 against them. Should have been 6-2.

ECU lost to Florida by 7. Beat Virginia Tech
Beat Virginia Tech, Lost to South Carolina by 10, Beat UNC
Lost to Virginia Tech by 5, Beat UNC, Beat NC State.

Boise definitely. Boise has consistently beaten high ranked P5 teams in big games Oklahoma BCS bowL

NC State and UNC football are no powerhouses football hardly ever ranked and never mentioned in former BCS discussions. Virginia Tech has had some glory years but have fell on hard times also same with South Carolina. I would compare ECU success against P5 with Tech, not anything to discount but nowhere even in the same realm as Boise.

USM or Marshall can argue that. You don't count, you dumb.

No you're dumb. ECU is nowhere in the same discussion or realm as Boise St. ECU hasn't been worth a crap since Holtz left. Hell in 2012 you got beat by ULL in the New Orleans Bowl! LOL

(06-26-2016 12:15 AM)deb025 Wrote:  

(06-25-2016 04:21 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  

(06-25-2016 02:40 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(06-25-2016 10:20 AM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  

(06-24-2016 11:38 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  You got 50% of that correct

ECU
Florida @ L
Virginia Tech W
South Carolina @ L
Virginia Tech @ W
Florida BOWL L
Virginia Tech L
North Carolina @ W
North Carolina State @ W
South Carolina @ L
North Carolina @ L
South Carolina N L
Virginia Tech L
Virginia Tech @ L
North Carolina @ L
North Carolina State W
Maryland BOWL. L
West Virginia @ L
North Carolina @ L
Virginia Tech @ L
Arkansas BOWL L

Since 2009 - 20 games ECU is 5-15

Boise
Washington W
Virginia W
Mississippi N L
Arizona BOWL W
Washington @ L
Oregon State BOWL L
Michigan State @ L
Washington BOWL W
Georgia @ W
Arizona State BOWL W
Virginia Tech @ W
Oregon State @ W
Oregon @ W

SINCE 2009 9-4

I think the word was compete immediately. You base that on current performance.

In 3 seasons they've played 8 P5's and are 5-3 against them. Should have been 6-2.

ECU lost to Florida by 7. Beat Virginia Tech
Beat Virginia Tech, Lost to South Carolina by 10, Beat UNC
Lost to Virginia Tech by 5, Beat UNC, Beat NC State.

Boise definitely. Boise has consistently beaten high ranked P5 teams in big games Oklahoma BCS bowL

NC State and UNC football are no powerhouses football hardly ever ranked and never mentioned in former BCS discussions. Virginia Tech has had some glory years but have fell on hard times also same with South Carolina. I would compare ECU success against P5 with Tech, not anything to discount but nowhere even in the same realm as Boise.

USM or Marshall can argue that. You don't count, you dumb.

No you're dumb. ECU is nowhere in the same discussion or realm as Boise St. ECU hasn't been worth a crap since Holtz left. Hell in 2012 you got beat by ULL in the New Orleans Bowl! LOL

Damn you don't get it. Arguing that USM and Marshall could argue being peers of ECU ...no way to LaTech.

Boise > ECU and it's not even very close.

(06-26-2016 09:16 AM)isidnirb Wrote:  

(06-26-2016 12:15 AM)deb025 Wrote:  

(06-25-2016 04:21 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  

(06-25-2016 02:40 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(06-25-2016 10:20 AM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  I think the word was compete immediately. You base that on current performance.

In 3 seasons they've played 8 P5's and are 5-3 against them. Should have been 6-2.

ECU lost to Florida by 7. Beat Virginia Tech
Beat Virginia Tech, Lost to South Carolina by 10, Beat UNC
Lost to Virginia Tech by 5, Beat UNC, Beat NC State.

Boise definitely. Boise has consistently beaten high ranked P5 teams in big games Oklahoma BCS bowL

NC State and UNC football are no powerhouses football hardly ever ranked and never mentioned in former BCS discussions. Virginia Tech has had some glory years but have fell on hard times also same with South Carolina. I would compare ECU success against P5 with Tech, not anything to discount but nowhere even in the same realm as Boise.

USM or Marshall can argue that. You don't count, you dumb.

No you're dumb. ECU is nowhere in the same discussion or realm as Boise St. ECU hasn't been worth a crap since Holtz left. Hell in 2012 you got beat by ULL in the New Orleans Bowl! LOL

Damn you don't get it. Arguing that USM and Marshall could argue being peers of ECU ...no way to LaTech.

Right.....Are you expecting to get some sort of affirmation here on the CUSA board. Go to Sports Media Watch and you'll see how the rest of the country views ECU on Saturday. 62K, 86K ECU is a big draw.....

Just look at ECU schedule since 2002 against P5 and ECU is not even in the same league as Boise. Now run along back over to the AAC board and start another Big 12 fantasy land thread

I know this thread is about football and what teams could compete in a P5 Conference but just to add to the discussion.....In order to be in a P5 Conference, you must also be able to compete in basketball. No P5 Conference is going to take a school that has only had 6 winning seasons out of the last 19 and only finished above .500 in conference games just 7 times in the last 50 years...wow, that's just pitiful. Btw, that's ECU's basketball record. No chance, ever, of making it to a P5 conference. Fwiw, I know WKU will never be invited either.

(06-25-2016 11:13 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-25-2016 10:20 AM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  

(06-24-2016 11:38 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-24-2016 08:48 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  Out of that group, only Boise State and East Carolina have routinely beaten P5's year in year out and that's without a true recruiting pipeline.

Those 2 are the only ones that can compete right away.

You got 50% of that correct

ECU
Florida @ L
Virginia Tech W
South Carolina @ L
Virginia Tech @ W
Florida BOWL L
Virginia Tech L
North Carolina @ W
North Carolina State @ W
South Carolina @ L
North Carolina @ L
South Carolina N L
Virginia Tech L
Virginia Tech @ L
North Carolina @ L
North Carolina State W
Maryland BOWL. L
West Virginia @ L
North Carolina @ L
Virginia Tech @ L
Arkansas BOWL L

Since 2009 - 20 games ECU is 5-15

Boise
Washington W
Virginia W
Mississippi N L
Arizona BOWL W
Washington @ L
Oregon State BOWL L
Michigan State @ L
Washington BOWL W
Georgia @ W
Arizona State BOWL W
Virginia Tech @ W
Oregon State @ W
Oregon @ W

SINCE 2009 9-4

I think the word was compete immediately. You base that on current performance.

In 3 seasons they've played 8 P5's and are 5-3 against them. Should have been 6-2.

ECU lost to Florida by 7. Beat Virginia Tech
Beat Virginia Tech, Lost to South Carolina by 10, Beat UNC
Lost to Virginia Tech by 5, Beat UNC, Beat NC State.

No the word you used was routinely so I checked their last 20 games and that spans 7 seasons

Should of could of don't win you games...if we are counting should have...

Western beat Indiana last year and Ill the year before that would make Western 5-3 vs SEC & BIG10 instead of 3-5 in the last 4 years.

But I don't have time for word play...going fishing. Or at least we are leaving today for a 10 day fishing trip to the Gulf and Atlantic ...Ft Myers/Ft Lauderdale

Wow 10 days. Enjoy your fishing trip:)

I thought WKU lost to Indiana last year and Illinois the previous season.

As for the word routinely, ECU did routinely beat Virginia Tech and UNC over the past 3 seasons. UNC was ranked last year and played in the ACC Championship against Clemson. ECU beat Virginia Tech the following week the Hokies upset Ohio State. They've beaten NC State in their last 2 meetings. I don't consider these teams bottom dwellers.

I don't think ECU is a prime P5 candidate but I just think ECU can immediately compete as is with no true recruiting pipeline.

(06-26-2016 11:03 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  

(06-25-2016 11:13 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-25-2016 10:20 AM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  

(06-24-2016 11:38 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-24-2016 08:48 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  Out of that group, only Boise State and East Carolina have routinely beaten P5's year in year out and that's without a true recruiting pipeline.

Those 2 are the only ones that can compete right away.

You got 50% of that correct

ECU
Florida @ L
Virginia Tech W
South Carolina @ L
Virginia Tech @ W
Florida BOWL L
Virginia Tech L
North Carolina @ W
North Carolina State @ W
South Carolina @ L
North Carolina @ L
South Carolina N L
Virginia Tech L
Virginia Tech @ L
North Carolina @ L
North Carolina State W
Maryland BOWL. L
West Virginia @ L
North Carolina @ L
Virginia Tech @ L
Arkansas BOWL L

Since 2009 - 20 games ECU is 5-15

Boise
Washington W
Virginia W
Mississippi N L
Arizona BOWL W
Washington @ L
Oregon State BOWL L
Michigan State @ L
Washington BOWL W
Georgia @ W
Arizona State BOWL W
Virginia Tech @ W
Oregon State @ W
Oregon @ W

SINCE 2009 9-4

I think the word was compete immediately. You base that on current performance.

In 3 seasons they've played 8 P5's and are 5-3 against them. Should have been 6-2.

ECU lost to Florida by 7. Beat Virginia Tech
Beat Virginia Tech, Lost to South Carolina by 10, Beat UNC
Lost to Virginia Tech by 5, Beat UNC, Beat NC State.

No the word you used was routinely so I checked their last 20 games and that spans 7 seasons

Should of could of don't win you games...if we are counting should have...

Western beat Indiana last year and Ill the year before that would make Western 5-3 vs SEC & BIG10 instead of 3-5 in the last 4 years.

But I don't have time for word play...going fishing. Or at least we are leaving today for a 10 day fishing trip to the Gulf and Atlantic ...Ft Myers/Ft Lauderdale

Wow 10 days. Enjoy your fishing trip:)

I thought WKU lost to Indiana last year and Illinois the previous season.

As for the word routinely, ECU did routinely beat Virginia Tech and UNC over the past 3 seasons. UNC was ranked last year and played in the ACC Championship against Clemson. ECU beat Virginia Tech the following week the Hokies upset Ohio State. They've beaten NC State in their last 2 meetings. I don't consider these teams bottom dwellers.

I just think ECU can compete as is with no true recruiting pipeline. They're beating P5's without the best recruits and they're doing it in ACC and SEC territory.

I think you might be equated basketball success with football. UNC has had few flash in the pan seasons like last year; but for the most part, along with NC State, have had fair to poor football success. ECU beat UNC last year when they went 6-7

To me that's like saying beating Indiana, Duke or Kentucky is impressive in football

(06-26-2016 11:22 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(06-26-2016 11:03 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  

(06-25-2016 11:13 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-25-2016 10:20 AM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  

(06-24-2016 11:38 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  You got 50% of that correct

ECU
Florida @ L
Virginia Tech W
South Carolina @ L
Virginia Tech @ W
Florida BOWL L
Virginia Tech L
North Carolina @ W
North Carolina State @ W
South Carolina @ L
North Carolina @ L
South Carolina N L
Virginia Tech L
Virginia Tech @ L
North Carolina @ L
North Carolina State W
Maryland BOWL. L
West Virginia @ L
North Carolina @ L
Virginia Tech @ L
Arkansas BOWL L

Since 2009 - 20 games ECU is 5-15

Boise
Washington W
Virginia W
Mississippi N L
Arizona BOWL W
Washington @ L
Oregon State BOWL L
Michigan State @ L
Washington BOWL W
Georgia @ W
Arizona State BOWL W
Virginia Tech @ W
Oregon State @ W
Oregon @ W

SINCE 2009 9-4

I think the word was compete immediately. You base that on current performance.

In 3 seasons they've played 8 P5's and are 5-3 against them. Should have been 6-2.

ECU lost to Florida by 7. Beat Virginia Tech
Beat Virginia Tech, Lost to South Carolina by 10, Beat UNC
Lost to Virginia Tech by 5, Beat UNC, Beat NC State.

No the word you used was routinely so I checked their last 20 games and that spans 7 seasons

Should of could of don't win you games...if we are counting should have...

Western beat Indiana last year and Ill the year before that would make Western 5-3 vs SEC & BIG10 instead of 3-5 in the last 4 years.

But I don't have time for word play...going fishing. Or at least we are leaving today for a 10 day fishing trip to the Gulf and Atlantic ...Ft Myers/Ft Lauderdale

Wow 10 days. Enjoy your fishing trip:)

I thought WKU lost to Indiana last year and Illinois the previous season.

As for the word routinely, ECU did routinely beat Virginia Tech and UNC over the past 3 seasons. UNC was ranked last year and played in the ACC Championship against Clemson. ECU beat Virginia Tech the following week the Hokies upset Ohio State. They've beaten NC State in their last 2 meetings. I don't consider these teams bottom dwellers.

I just think ECU can compete as is with no true recruiting pipeline. They're beating P5's without the best recruits and they're doing it in ACC and SEC territory.

I think you might be equated basketball success with football. UNC has had few flash in the pan seasons like last year; but for the most part, along with NC State, have had fair to poor football success. ECU beat UNC last year when they went 6-7

To me that's like saying beating Indiana, Duke or Kentucky is impressive in football

ECU hasn't recruited very well recently but was still successful in it's last 8 P5 contests.

Compete immediately. That means now. I think this team can. I think the article mentioned on-field potential. I think ECU has it. It's ok to disagree with me. I've just seen them over the years and feel they have what it takes. However, I don't think ECU or any of these teams can compete with the best of the P5 conferences. West Virginia, Syracuse, Rutgers, and Pitt are finding that out now.

(06-26-2016 10:14 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(06-26-2016 09:16 AM)isidnirb Wrote:  

(06-26-2016 12:15 AM)deb025 Wrote:  

(06-25-2016 04:21 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  

(06-25-2016 02:40 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Boise definitely. Boise has consistently beaten high ranked P5 teams in big games Oklahoma BCS bowL

NC State and UNC football are no powerhouses football hardly ever ranked and never mentioned in former BCS discussions. Virginia Tech has had some glory years but have fell on hard times also same with South Carolina. I would compare ECU success against P5 with Tech, not anything to discount but nowhere even in the same realm as Boise.

USM or Marshall can argue that. You don't count, you dumb.

No you're dumb. ECU is nowhere in the same discussion or realm as Boise St. ECU hasn't been worth a crap since Holtz left. Hell in 2012 you got beat by ULL in the New Orleans Bowl! LOL

Damn you don't get it. Arguing that USM and Marshall could argue being peers of ECU ...no way to LaTech.

Right.....Are you expecting to get some sort of affirmation here on the CUSA board. Go to Sports Media Watch and you'll see how the rest of the country views ECU on Saturday. 62K, 86K ECU is a big draw.....

Just look at ECU schedule since 2002 against P5 and ECU is not even in the same league as Boise. Now run along back over to the AAC board and start another Big 12 fantasy land thread

Buy a clue. Never said we are in the same category as Boise. What I said is....USM and Marshall could argue being in the discussion as peers with ECU...but not LaTech. Rinse and repeat.

Here's the way I look at it, which teams on that list have a better program than WVU? Now go look at WVU's conference record since joining the Big 12, they are 15-21 in conference. Against G5 teams in the same time span (2011-2015), they are 7-0 beating Marshall a couple of times, Georgia Southern, Bowling Green, USF and UConn, so not bottom of the barrel G5.

I think people underestimate the real differences that extra $40MM to $120MM a year in funding provides. Anybody can win one game a season against a P5 opponent and win a couple some years, but it's the week in, week out grind that it takes you time to get up to. The strength and conditioning programs, the nutrition programs, the depth of staffing and organization are all far ahead of anything you see at the G5 level.

I was looking at something the other day while arguing with a WVU fan about them being a P5 failure. I went to the Marshall, WVU and Ohio State athletic websites and counted the personnel for each department. This included all the coaching staffs, administration, training folks, support staffs, etc. Marshall has 219 employees tied to athletics, WVU had 325, Ohio State had 535. So WVU and Ohio State are suppose to be at the same level, but Ohio State has 70% more people working in their athletic department. A lot of those folks are training related, nutrition, S&C, staff physical therapy. Their ability to keep the players in peak performance position week after week is what makes the move up so difficult. They have better players who are better trained and better maintained. It would take several years to get that system in place.

It also provides a roadmap for moving up, build that infrastructure and you have a significant advantage. Problem is that it's a chicken and egg thing. All that takes a lot of money. If you look at TCU and Utah, schools that were successful quicker in moving to P5, you will see that they built this infrastructure while still G5. Urban Meyer started all that at Utah and TCU has been pumping money in to this behind the scenes stuff for years.

Banker, that was a solid post. And I'll just add this... the difference in budgets is just mind-blowing. From 2015:

Ohio State - $167,166,065 / $0 Subsidy
WVU - $90, 523, 565 / $4,403,165 4% Subsidy
ECU - $48,918,305 / $18,053,311 37% Subsidy

Now compare to CUSA's largest budget:

ODU - $43,994,715 / $28,419,259 64% Subsidy

And just for chits and chuckles:

Marshall - $27,069,138 / 12,218,077 45% Subsidy

(06-27-2016 07:34 AM)isidnirb Wrote:  Buy a clue. Never said we are in the same category as Boise. What I said is....USM and Marshall could argue being in the discussion as peers with ECU...but not LaTech. Rinse and repeat.

Had to pull some stats to see how far behind you 3 we are. It's not far.

Last 20 years:


1. Marshall
Overall 133-85 (57.4%)
125-58 vs G5 (68%)
8-27 vs P5 (23%)

2. USM
Overall 120-105 (53.3%)
102-58 vs G5 (64%)
18-47 vs P5 (28%)

3. ECU
Overall 115-112 (51%)
87-58 vs G5 (60%)
28-54 vs P5 (34%)

4. La Tech
Overall 109-115 (49%)
98-67 vs G5 (59.4%)
11-48 vs P5 (19%)

(06-27-2016 03:48 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(06-27-2016 07:34 AM)isidnirb Wrote:  Buy a clue. Never said we are in the same category as Boise. What I said is....USM and Marshall could argue being in the discussion as peers with ECU...but not LaTech. Rinse and repeat.

Had to pull some stats to see how far behind you 3 we are. It's not far.

Last 20 years:


1. Marshall
Overall 133-85 (57.4%)
125-58 vs G5 (68%)
8-27 vs P5 (23%)

2. USM
Overall 120-105 (53.3%)
102-58 vs G5 (64%)
18-47 vs P5 (28%)

3. ECU
Overall 115-112 (51%)
87-58 vs G5 (60%)
28-54 vs P5 (34%)

4. La Tech
Overall 109-115 (49%)
98-67 vs G5 (59.4%)
11-48 vs P5 (19%)

Pretty good. I think we are finally getting stable so it will get better.

You can't tell that crack head ECU fan anything without him getting belligerent. Don't bother.. just treat him like a cajun fan and ignore. Rinse and Repeat.

(06-27-2016 04:48 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  You can't tell that crack head ECU fan anything without him getting belligerent. Don't bother.. just treat him like a cajun fan and ignore. Rinse and Repeat.

Taking the right road. My apologies for any name calling.

(06-24-2016 05:21 PM)monarx Wrote:  Division 1 is supposed to be "major". This P5 separation crap is a creation of tv

There has been 2 divisions in FBS for quite some time. Look at their budgets, venues, support and record against us. Not to mention we don't even compete for the highest prize, a National Championship.

You have your head buried if you believe otherwise.