Sounds like it from Scout and other recruiting sites.

They've been out recruiting Toledo and Northern for about the last 3 years.

#1 The signing classes are no guarantee who makes it to campus or stays with the program.
#2 No consistencies on how the classes rank. Some include JUCO's,some not. There are biases based on class size(hard to compare a class of 15 versus 28), whether or not a service has viewed film of the recruit, specific
camps attended, whether or not your school maintains an active site with that service.
#3 A number of good players have not been part of service ranked UT signing classes,i.e.:

Jhonny Williams, Earl Moore, Jeremi Powell, Dionte Johnson, Michael Roberts, Ruben Carter, Phillip Ely, Sami Kassem, etc.

Don't worry about the recruiting rankings. The results on the field are what matters.

And what have they accomplished with the highly regarded recruiting classes? If they don't make some noise this season I predict the luster starts to wear off the Fleck hype machine.

(06-23-2016 03:59 AM)toledobigmike Wrote:  And what have they accomplished with the highly regarded recruiting classes? If they don't make some noise this season I predict the luster starts to wear off the Fleck hype machine.

This season will be make it or break it for some the Bronco faithful.

(06-23-2016 03:59 AM)toledobigmike Wrote:  And what have they accomplished with the highly regarded recruiting classes?

Beat us at home.

Am I missing a negative here? Our recruiting seems up. If theirs is too, that's good for the league and will feed on itself, further raising our recruiting profile. No?

(06-23-2016 07:23 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(06-23-2016 03:59 AM)toledobigmike Wrote:  And what have they accomplished with the highly regarded recruiting classes?

Beat us at home.

Our outgoing coaching staff beat us. And beating Toledo is not a very lofty goal to check off their to-do list. Merely one of twelve games. No West champ. No MAC champ. 8-5 with a bowl win isn't terrible but it doesn't reflect all the coaching and recruiting hype.

(06-23-2016 09:36 AM)toledobigmike Wrote:  

(06-23-2016 07:23 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(06-23-2016 03:59 AM)toledobigmike Wrote:  And what have they accomplished with the highly regarded recruiting classes?

Beat us at home.

Our outgoing coaching staff beat us. And beating Toledo is not a very lofty goal to check off their to-do list. Merely one of twelve games. No West champ. No MAC champ. 8-5 with a bowl win isn't terrible but it doesn't reflect all the coaching and recruiting hype.

I concur on the outgoing staff(same with the NIU loss) along with the two glaring player errors.

(06-23-2016 09:36 AM)toledobigmike Wrote:  

(06-23-2016 07:23 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(06-23-2016 03:59 AM)toledobigmike Wrote:  And what have they accomplished with the highly regarded recruiting classes?

Beat us at home.

Our outgoing coaching staff beat us. And beating Toledo is not a very lofty goal to check off their to-do list. Merely one of twelve games. No West champ. No MAC champ. 8-5 with a bowl win isn't terrible but it doesn't reflect all the coaching and recruiting hype.

2 bowl games in 3 years, including their first bowl victory (i think) and first top25 win (over us) in program history.... That's up and up. From 1-11 to 7-6 to 8-5.... If they win the MAC, PJ will probably be gone and WMU will be loaded for a few years after to come.

The overall recruiting level in the MAC is up over the last 4 to 6 years. Most definitely. No doubt about it.

I'd say the win over us in the Glass Bowl suggests they are trending well when we were poised to win the MAC. I think a lot of factors went into the loss, none of them being out recruited.

I also hate these early Friday games after Thanksgiving.

Making it to a bowl game these days is not much of an accomplishment.

Probably true but I think fans and players that went would say our Bowls have been good experiences? And for WMU it's improvement.

(06-23-2016 10:26 AM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  I think a lot of factors went into the loss, none of them being out recruited.

Mostly attributable to the Proce$$ that our former coach was pursuing at the time...

(06-23-2016 12:20 PM)RangerRocket Wrote:  

(06-23-2016 10:26 AM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  I think a lot of factors went into the loss, none of them being out recruited.

Mostly attributable to the Proce$$ that our former coach was pursuing at the time...

$2 MILLION BASE SALARY
INCENTIVES:
$500,000 6 WINS OR MORE
$250,000 BIG 12 TITLE
$100,000 BOWL WIN
$50,000 BIG 12 COACH OF THE YEAR.

(06-23-2016 02:55 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(06-23-2016 12:20 PM)RangerRocket Wrote:  

(06-23-2016 10:26 AM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  I think a lot of factors went into the loss, none of them being out recruited.

Mostly attributable to the Proce$$ that our former coach was pursuing at the time...

$2 MILLION BASE SALARY
INCENTIVES:
$500,000 6 WINS OR MORE
$250,000 BIG 12 TITLE
$100,000 BOWL WIN
$50,000 BIG 12 COACH OF THE YEAR.

Think he's going to have to just $ettle for the $2M Base...

(06-23-2016 03:09 PM)RangerRocket Wrote:  

(06-23-2016 02:55 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(06-23-2016 12:20 PM)RangerRocket Wrote:  

(06-23-2016 10:26 AM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  I think a lot of factors went into the loss, none of them being out recruited.

Mostly attributable to the Proce$$ that our former coach was pursuing at the time...

$2 MILLION BASE SALARY
INCENTIVES:
$500,000 6 WINS OR MORE
$250,000 BIG 12 TITLE
$100,000 BOWL WIN
$50,000 BIG 12 COACH OF THE YEAR.

Think he's going to have to just $ettle for the $2M Base...

In his first year, maybe... But they gave Baylor the 2nd best game of the Big12 last year, shut out Texas, lost in OT to KSTATE on a bad call where refs were reprimanded, killed Kansas, gave Iowa a game for 3.5 quarters, lost in OT to Toledo, and beat up on UNI. They will win 4-7 games this season. TCU, Oklahoma, OSU, and Baylor are there only non winnable games. Texas Tech, WVU? Those teams arent world beaters. ISU was so stuck with that coach. I see a good year for Campbell.

(06-23-2016 03:24 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(06-23-2016 03:09 PM)RangerRocket Wrote:  

(06-23-2016 02:55 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(06-23-2016 12:20 PM)RangerRocket Wrote:  

(06-23-2016 10:26 AM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  I think a lot of factors went into the loss, none of them being out recruited.

Mostly attributable to the Proce$$ that our former coach was pursuing at the time...

$2 MILLION BASE SALARY
INCENTIVES:
$500,000 6 WINS OR MORE
$250,000 BIG 12 TITLE
$100,000 BOWL WIN
$50,000 BIG 12 COACH OF THE YEAR.

Think he's going to have to just $ettle for the $2M Base...

In his first year, maybe... But they gave Baylor the 2nd best game of the Big12 last year, shut out Texas, lost in OT to KSTATE on a bad call where refs were reprimanded, killed Kansas, gave Iowa a game for 3.5 quarters, lost in OT to Toledo, and beat up on UNI. They will win 4-7 games this season. TCU, Oklahoma, OSU, and Baylor are there only non winnable games. Texas Tech, WVU? Those teams arent world beaters. ISU was so stuck with that coach. I see a good year for Campbell.

Wins over:
Northern Iowa
San Jose State
Kansas State
Kansas
Texas Tech
West Virginia
That would do it.

(06-23-2016 03:44 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(06-23-2016 03:24 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(06-23-2016 03:09 PM)RangerRocket Wrote:  

(06-23-2016 02:55 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(06-23-2016 12:20 PM)RangerRocket Wrote:  Mostly attributable to the Proce$$ that our former coach was pursuing at the time...

$2 MILLION BASE SALARY
INCENTIVES:
$500,000 6 WINS OR MORE
$250,000 BIG 12 TITLE
$100,000 BOWL WIN
$50,000 BIG 12 COACH OF THE YEAR.

Think he's going to have to just $ettle for the $2M Base...

In his first year, maybe... But they gave Baylor the 2nd best game of the Big12 last year, shut out Texas, lost in OT to KSTATE on a bad call where refs were reprimanded, killed Kansas, gave Iowa a game for 3.5 quarters, lost in OT to Toledo, and beat up on UNI. They will win 4-7 games this season. TCU, Oklahoma, OSU, and Baylor are there only non winnable games. Texas Tech, WVU? Those teams arent world beaters. ISU was so stuck with that coach. I see a good year for Campbell.

Wins over:
Northern Iowa
San Jose State
Kansas State
Kansas
Texas Tech
West Virginia
That would do it.

Could care less if he ever wins another game.