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U.S. Open....D.J. controversy
I've always been in the camp that the rules of golf are beyond tard....way too many specifics that are up to interpretation as time has moved forward.....reminds me of our government as it exits today....

what the USGA is doing right now in handling is beyond tard in any event in sport I've witnessed in my almost 51 yrs on this planet...

firstly, the decision should be administered on the spot....

secondly, the rules are too complicated for the players to be expected to understand the specifics....

the USGA is going to get roasted on this one for next day or so.....and deservedly so....
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No idea what has happened. Only golf event I watch each year is The Greenbrier Classic in West Virginia.
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(06-19-2016 06:52 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  No idea what has happened. Only golf event I watch each year is The Greenbrier Classic in West Virginia.

his ball moved w/o addressing the ball...

the rule is complicated and due to interpretation...

he and the other competitors were notified that the ruling would be administered after the round was over....

now it doesn't matter.....he wins no matter what as of this writing

you'll want to watch his post presser.....

pay att'n to the smirks he will most certainly provide....

way to overcome DJ! that was bs knowing you had to play the last 5 that way....especially after last year!
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Golf has some of the most idiotic rules of any sport. How you can be penalized for a ball that moves that you never even touched. Thankfully DJ got the major monkey off his back. 01-ncaabbs
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(06-19-2016 08:59 PM)Franko Wrote:  Golf has some of the most idiotic rules of any sport. How you can be penalized for a ball that moves that you never even touched. Thankfully DJ got the major monkey off his back. 01-ncaabbs

they call it, "addressing the ball and it moves" regardless if you actually touch it....

it's beyond tard....

and yeah, this victory was long overdue.....he's no Tiger, but he can pound it....

his pronating wrist at the top and controlling the clubhead through the zone is unparalleled in this day of 'robots'....

if he could putt, they would rarely beat him....

he takes out the equation I wish I would have in college....the brain...he almost looks like he's on beta blockers now....

his swing is pure enjoyment to watch....it's pretty cool when the clubhead moves through the zone like his....is akin to Mantle's swing at the plate IMO.....

and this is where Speith is dickin' himself.....he's thinking way too much....his is where chipping/putting HAS to be the strength....once again I will say, he's turning into Johnny Miller....nice run.....but your swing sucks man....maybe his brain will get him a few more majors, but he just doesn't have that 'it' factor coupled with his size.....
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So what made the ball move?
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(06-19-2016 09:36 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  So what made the ball move?

Gravity
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Glad it didn't end up mattering, but the USGA should be ashamed of themselves.
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(06-19-2016 09:50 PM)CurveItAround Wrote:  
(06-19-2016 09:36 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  So what made the ball move?

Gravity

the stimp metering coupled with air pressure....

the club never touched the ball or the ground....

the rule and interpretation is beyond fk'n stupid....it's right there with a "catch" in the No Fun League

DJ handled it better than I would have....
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The USGA and R&A need to have serious discussions about major reinterpretations of the Rules. Or better yet a complete rewrite.

And Rule #1 in my rewrite would be that any interpretation of any rule after #1 that defies common sense would be thrown out.

Two obvious points in why there should have been no penalty:
1) If DJ caused the ball to move it should have moved immediately after he had grounded his club to the side of the ball for his practice motion. The ball didn't move at that point, so he should never have been deemed to have caused the ball to move.
2) Even if DJ had caused the ball to move, it moved away from the cup. Even a clear violation of a rule that doesn't result in any competitive advantage should never incur a penalty.
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(06-20-2016 12:36 AM)FriscoDawg Wrote:  The USGA and R&A need to have serious discussions about major reinterpretations of the Rules. Or better yet a complete rewrite.

And Rule #1 in my rewrite would be that any interpretation of any rule after #1 that defies common sense would be thrown out.

Two obvious points in why there should have been no penalty:
1) If DJ caused the ball to move it should have moved immediately after he had grounded his club to the side of the ball for his practice motion. The ball didn't move at that point, so he should never have been deemed to have caused the ball to move.
2) Even if DJ had caused the ball to move, it moved away from the cup. Even a clear violation of a rule that doesn't result in any competitive advantage should never incur a penalty.

it's absolutely insane how they are written....if you've ever carried a rule book in your bag, you know what I'm talking about...

to many "ifs", "whens", a) b) c) etc....

it just shouldn't be that difficult....

don't tee off in front of the marker....if you pick up a loose impediment and the ball moves....if you touch the ball and it changes position.....don't ground the club in a hazard are all just fine.....

this is why I love hockey....simple rules....

I once had to call an infraction on a fellow competitor in a state event....and it was only due to too many stupid freakin' rules....

the backlash from the players says it all....
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I'm sure DJ and Paulina snorted some wonderful victory coke after the title.

Congrats to him for getting that monkey off his back (not Paulina - she looks nothing like a monkey - I'm talking about the choker title he had at majors).

I guess they still gave him a 1 stroke penalty after the round was over. I'm glad he made it immaterial although honestly all the top players on the leaderboard were fading left and right. Still it had to be tough on him to live with that little conversation with the USGA and he definitely deserved the title.
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I'm with Jack....

Quote:A few moments later, in an interview with a small group of reporters, Nicklaus described the situation between Johnson and USGA officials as “terrible” and “very unfair.”

In my opinion,” he said, “golf is a game of honor. That’s what the USGA believes in, and that’s what most of the players all believe in. And when you have a situation where the official was there and said, ‘Did you cause it to move?’ and he says, ‘No,’ then that should be the end of the story.

“How’s he supposed to know what caused it to move? You’ve got greens out there with spike marks and pitches. The ball can move at any time.”

Ultimately, the penalty didn’t factor in the final outcome, as Johnson’s margin of victory was trimmed from four shots to three. But Nicklaus was most troubled by how the USGA forced Johnson to play the last seven holes of a major championship with so much uncertainty.

“You either have (a penalty) or you don’t have one,” Nicklaus said. “I think it’s very unfair to the player.”

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I don't think there should be a penalty for making a ball move on the green unless the player strikes the ball in some way (intentional or unintentional). Simply standing near the ball or placing your putter on the ground near the ball should not cause the ball to move and therefore should not be a penalty. The probable reason for any movement (without striking it) is gravity/slope/speed of green/grass movement.

Stupid.

The rules official on TV kept saying something along the lines of, we asked the player if there was any other reason for the ball to move (implying he caused it) and the player said no. There was no video evidence of the player touching the ball. It should have been the end of the story. It is just another example of the rules officials seeing an opportunity to make a ruling on something that did not require further ruling. They want to make themselves part of the story so bad they forget the reason everyone is there. Hint: not them.
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(06-20-2016 06:57 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I'm sure DJ and Paulina snorted some wonderful victory coke after the title.

Congrats to him for getting that monkey off his back (not Paulina - she looks nothing like a monkey - I'm talking about the choker title he had at majors).

I guess they still gave him a 1 stroke penalty after the round was over. I'm glad he made it immaterial although honestly all the top players on the leaderboard were fading left and right. Still it had to be tough on him to live with that little conversation with the USGA and he definitely deserved the title.

Good thing they told him before the end of the round. He could have signed the card with the score he deserved and lost for this horse ****.
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(06-20-2016 02:31 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(06-20-2016 06:57 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I'm sure DJ and Paulina snorted some wonderful victory coke after the title.

Congrats to him for getting that monkey off his back (not Paulina - she looks nothing like a monkey - I'm talking about the choker title he had at majors).

I guess they still gave him a 1 stroke penalty after the round was over. I'm glad he made it immaterial although honestly all the top players on the leaderboard were fading left and right. Still it had to be tough on him to live with that little conversation with the USGA and he definitely deserved the title.

Good thing they told him before the end of the round. He could have signed the card with the score he deserved and lost for this horse ****.

you don't sign.....but yeah, I get what you're saying....I've done that one too.....'course I was shithammered and didn't care finishing outside the 1 spot...

both factions are a joke.....

if you watched the two usga figureheads attempt to explain themselves.....'nuf said...
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