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When can we expect to learn more about opponents and home schedule this year?
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RE: 2016-2017 Basketball Schedule
Scheduling difficulties have probably been a factor in why there hasn't been a lot of news, as noted in this article from 6 days ago: http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20...basketball

Here's what we can pencil in for Non-Conference games right now, assuming we can find dates that work for all schools involved:

Road

* @ Clemson on Dec 28 (see article above)
* @ Campbell (Game 3 of a 4-game agreement started in 2014)
* @ Eastern Kentucky (Home-and-Home started in 2015)
* @ Western Michigan (Home-and-Home started in 2015)

Home

* ECU (Game 3 of a 4-game agreement started in 2014)
* East Tennessee State (Home-and-Home started in 2015)
* Radford (Home-and-Home started in 2015)
* At least one non-D1 opponent (per article above)

Neutral

* Challenge in Music City (Nashville, TN): Toledo; Middle Tennessee; Evansville
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(06-20-2016 01:54 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Neutral

* An early season Exempt Tournament seems like the best bet to help fill out the remainder of our schedule, since even guarantee games are hard to come by this season.

We will be in the Challenge in Music City with Toledo, Middle Tennessee and Evansville.
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Pretty much the same as last year except we have Clemson instead of Georgetown. I do not like this non conference scheduling philosophy but if we keep wining the CAA I guess it doesn't really matter
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Last year we hosted 2 non d1 schools. I would turn one of those into a December buy game just to see how our team stacks up
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(06-20-2016 07:08 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Last year we hosted 2 non d1 schools. I would turn one of those into a December buy game just to see how our team stacks up

No one wants to play us in a buy game because it's not a guaranteed win for the home team. It's a burden of having too much success.
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(06-20-2016 10:13 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(06-20-2016 07:08 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Last year we hosted 2 non d1 schools. I would turn one of those into a December buy game just to see how our team stacks up

No one wants to play us in a buy game because it's not a guaranteed win for the home team. It's a burden of having too much success.
Eh to me that is weak sauce. Out of the 70+ schools in the P5 and big east along with schools like uconn cincy and temple, every single one of them won't schedule is for a buy game?

I think that is just keats/bass' scheduling philosophy. Playing the non d1 games is definitely something bass learned at ecu. Even during the blizzard years we never played non d1 games in the regular season.

I'm glad we are doing more home and home with quality mid majors like and I understand that getting in a quality exempt tournament can be difficult but we gotta challenge ourselves. If the CAA is as strong as it was last year I want us to at least have a shot at an at large
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(06-21-2016 06:45 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Eh to me that is weak sauce. Out of the 70+ schools in the P5 and big east along with schools like uconn cincy and temple, every single one of them won't schedule is for a buy game?

I don't think it's an invalid reason. It's not just about who is willing to schedule us, it's how much they're willing to pay. Not every P5 is made equal in that regard. If we're going to travel to some distant place like, say, UCONN, they'd have to make it worth our while as well.

We did get the Clemson game so that's good news there. Clemson doesn't have as much to lose by playing us because, as much as I like and respect Brownell, they're a middle-of-the-pack ACC squad generally. They have something to gain by playing us.

I don't have much of a problem with the non-DI game, as long as its only one and it occurs early in the season. Two was too many last year. Otherwise I don't really see the big deal. We're not ECU. ECU is mostly incapable of winning a significant number of D-I games so they have to schedule non-DI to help pile up their win totals. We don't have that issue. We won 23 games against D-I competition last year. So is it really that big of a deal? If it means having more home games and more chances for the crowds to pack Trask, it's really not.
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RE: 2016-2017 Basketball Schedule
An overview of our unofficial OOC opponents penciled in thus far:


[Image: Clemson.gif]
Clemson Tigers
2015-16 Record vs D-I: 17-14
ACC: 10-8 (t-7th)
RPI: 127
Returning Starters (1): Sr. F Donte Grantham
2016-17 game: Road (Dec 28)


[Image: Campbell.gif]
Campbell Fighting Camels
2015-16 Record vs D-I: 9-18
Big South: 5-13 (t-8th)
RPI: 308
@ UNCW: L 106-83
Returning Starters (3): Sr. G Kyre' Hamer; Jr. F Shane Witfield; So. G Chris Clemons
2016-17 game: Road


[Image: Eastern-Kentucky.gif]
Eastern Kentucky Colonels
2015-16 Record vs D-I: 14-16
Ohio Valley: 6-10 (9th)
RPI: 216
@ UNCW: L 78-59
Returning Starters (2): Sr. G Isaac McGlone; So. F Nick Mayo
2016-17 game: Road


[Image: Western-Michigan.gif]
Western Michigan Broncos
2015-16 Record vs D-I: 11-19
MAC: 7-11 (10th)
RPI: 209
@ UNCW: L 80-76
Returning Starters (3): Sr. G/F Tucker Haymond; Jr. G Thomas Wilder; Jr. C Drake LaMont
2016-17 game: Road


[Image: East-Carolina.gif]
ECU Pirates
2015-16 Record vs D-I: 12-20
AAC: 4-14 (t-9th)
RPI: 220
vs. UNCW: W 78-73
Returning Starters (3): Sr. G Caleb White; Sr. F Michel Nzege; Jr. G B.J. Tyson
2016-17 game: Home


[Image: East-Tennessee-State.gif]
East Tennessee State Buccaneers
2015-16 Record vs D-I: 22-12
SoCon: 14-4 (2nd)
RPI: 83
vs. UNCW: L 94-73
Returning Starters (2): Sr. G T.J. Cromer; Sr. F Isaac Banks
2016-17 game: Home


[Image: Radford.gif]
Radford Highlanders
2015-16 Record vs D-I: 14-15
Big South: 9-9 (7th)
RPI: 190
vs. UNCW: W 69-67
Returning Starters (1): So. F Ed Polite
2016-17 game: Home


[Image: Toledo.gif]
Toledo Rockets
2015-16 Record vs D-I: 16-15
MAC: 8-10 (9th)
RPI: 184
Returning Starters (3): Sr. G Jonathan Williams; Sr. C Zach Garber; So. G Jaelan Sanford
2016-17 game: Neutral (Challenge in Music City; Nashville, TN)


[Image: Middle-Tennessee.gif]
Middle Tennessee Blue Raiders
2015-16 Record vs D-I: 23-10
C-USA: 13-5 (2nd)
RPI: 77
Returning Starters (2): Sr. F Reggie Upshaw; Jr. G Giddy Potts
2016-17 game: Neutral (Challenge in Music City; Nashville, TN)


[Image: Evansville.gif]
Evansville Puprle Aces
2015-16 Record vs D-I: 24-9
MVC: 12-6 (2nd)
RPI: 92
Returning Starters (2): Sr. G Jaylon Brown; Sr. G/F Blake Simmons
2016-17 game: Neutral (Challenge in Music City; Nashville, TN)
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Of the above, the ETSU game in Trask should be fantastic. The Buccaneers are a talented and veteran squad. It would appear that 4 of their starters will be Seniors next season with 1 Junior, coming off a season where they were top 100 in the RPI, lost by only 6 points in the SoCon title game and went 1-1 in the Vegas 16 tournament.

The entire tournament in Nashville should be a good test on a neutral court. Two top-100 RPI teams from last season (including Middle Tennessee, who knocked off 2-seed Michigan St in the NCAA's last year), and a Toledo team that could be sneaky good next year. Not a terribly long trip up 40 West either.

And it goes without saying the game against Brownell and company will be fun too. Once the opening tip comes us fans will only think about winning, but win or lose I imagine it'll be a fun interaction with our fans and everyone involved.

That's really not a terrible schedule at all. A nice blend of tough games and very winnable ones to balance things.
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(06-21-2016 07:35 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(06-21-2016 06:45 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Eh to me that is weak sauce. Out of the 70+ schools in the P5 and big east along with schools like uconn cincy and temple, every single one of them won't schedule is for a buy game?

I don't think it's an invalid reason. It's not just about who is willing to schedule us, it's how much they're willing to pay. Not every P5 is made equal in that regard. If we're going to travel to some distant place like, say, UCONN, they'd have to make it worth our while as well.

We did get the Clemson game so that's good news there. Clemson doesn't have as much to lose by playing us because, as much as I like and respect Brownell, they're a middle-of-the-pack ACC squad generally. They have something to gain by playing us.

I don't have much of a problem with the non-DI game, as long as its only one and it occurs early in the season. Two was too many last year. Otherwise I don't really see the big deal. We're not ECU. ECU is mostly incapable of winning a significant number of D-I games so they have to schedule non-DI to help pile up their win totals. We don't have that issue. We won 23 games against D-I competition last year. So is it really that big of a deal? If it means having more home games and more chances for the crowds to pack Trask, it's really not.


i agree you have to do what is most profitable, i just seriously doubt that hosting a non D1 school is more profitable that getting paid to go to a p5 school.

clemson is taking georgetown's place on the schedule. its only been two years, but i sense a pattern emerging where we get one marquee p5 game on the schedule. I personally would like to see at least 2, and that ties back into me not wanting to see any non d1 games.

The non D1 game is to me, without a doubt in my mind, a scheduling trick Bass learned at ECU. Now that we know this team can win, we don't need them to pad any stats and protect anyones job. They automatically disqualify us from any realistic at large consideration in the eyes of the committee and they are nothing more than glorified scrimmages. Someone could get hurt in one and ruin our season. No purpose.
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It's definitely not more profitable to host a non-DI over hitting the road against a P5. But profit isn't the only reason to schedule home games. Otherwise we could sell our souls like SWAC teams do and play numerous "buy games" every year.

As soon as we can get some D1 teams to come to Trask without it always having to be home-and-homes or a series, I'd be all for it. I do But until then you have to do what you can to get a healthy number of home games for your program year in and year out. It's important to play games in front of the fans and students. 12 or less of those home games is simply not enough in a given year.
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(06-21-2016 06:57 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  It's definitely not more profitable to host a non-DI over hitting the road against a P5. But profit isn't the only reason to schedule home games. Otherwise we could sell our souls like SWAC teams do and play numerous "buy games" every year.

As soon as we can get some D1 teams to come to Trask without it always having to be home-and-homes or a series, I'd be all for it. I do But until then you have to do what you can to get a healthy number of home games for your program year in and year out. It's important to play games in front of the fans and students. 12 or less of those home games is simply not enough in a given year.

Last year I believe we hosted 15 games if you count the exhibition. 3 of those were against non D1 opponents. That is 20%. WAY TO HIGH. I would rather play less home games and have a better overall schedule then play meaningless scrimmages.

Ideally I would love to see 0 non D1 games outside of the exhibition, but if we have to get an extra home game in to showcase our product I can swallow that bitter pill, so long as we get an extra opportunity to challenge ourselves against a power school. But what benefit is there playing Coker on December 2nd when the students are about to leave for Christmas break as we did this past year?
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Keatts and Bass wanted less away games period. Unfortunately, we cannot get quality games at home, so the Non DI teams are more than willing to come to Trask. Right now, our best bet is to win the CAA tournament. We need to take care of the Radfords, ECU's and other D1 teams that will get give us home and homes. Take care of conference play and we'll be good to go. Until the rest of the CAA rights their ships, the DII games don't bother me.

If we had beaten ECU and Radford last year, we'd have had an at-large shot. THOSE are the games we MUST won.
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(06-21-2016 08:46 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Keatts and Bass wanted less away games period. Unfortunately, we cannot get quality games at home, so the Non DI teams are more than willing to come to Trask. Right now, our best bet is to win the CAA tournament. We need to take care of the Radfords, ECU's and other D1 teams that will get give us home and homes. Take care of conference play and we'll be good to go. Until the rest of the CAA rights their ships, the DII games don't bother me.

If we had beaten ECU and Radford last year, we'd have had an at-large shot. THOSE are the games we MUST won.

I disagree. The caa was in the top 10 of all conferences last year. It can't do much better than that. Beating ecu and Radford wouldn't have changed a thing in terms of getting an at large. I may be in the minority and that is fine, but I want our team to be challenged and play games that matter
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(06-21-2016 10:43 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(06-21-2016 09:01 PM)solohawks Wrote:  [quote='82hawk' pid='13346269' dateline='1466559983']
Keatts and Bass wanted less away games period. Unfortunately, we cannot get quality games at home, so the Non DI teams are more than willing to come to Trask. Right now, our best bet is to win the CAA tournament. We need to take care of the Radfords, ECU's and other D1 teams that will get give us home and homes. Take care of conference play and we'll be good to go. Until the rest of the CAA rights their ships, the DII games don't bother me.

If we had beaten ECU and Radford last year, we'd have had an at-large shot. THOSE are the games we MUST won.

I disagree. The caa was in the top 10 of all conferences last year. It can't do much better than that. Beating ecu and Radford wouldn't have changed a thing in terms of getting an at large. I may be in the minority and that is fine, but I want our team to be challenged and play games that matter

We all want that. Problem is it takes two to tango. P5's have little to gain and a lot to lose by playing us, even in their own place. And even the quality mid-majors need those home-and-homes or 4-year deals we can't always readily accept.

The early season tournament in Nashville was a great move. Baby steps....
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I really think our best opportunity to get a fair home and home with a quality opponent is in the SEC. They carry a lot of name recognition, but can afford to take some chances as a second tier P5 basketball conference. I recall Auburn and LSU playing at UNCW in the 80's.

Also, our RPI and OOC record would have been phenomenal had we beaten both Radford and ECU last year, and we'd have really had no bad losses. We're talking about beating some P5 schools on the road, and flopped against those teams. With those losses, we had no chance of an at-large. Winning the regular season in the #9 conference gave us an opportunity, but not having those losses on our record.

The real way to make this happen is to become a "good loss" by leaping into the top 25 nationally and hanging right around there a few years. Right now, there is no upside for a P5 or even a major coming to UNCW. I also think Penn State would be a good target.
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(06-22-2016 03:36 AM)82hawk Wrote:  I really think our best opportunity to get a fair home and home with a quality opponent is in the SEC. They carry a lot of name recognition, but can afford to take some chances as a second tier P5 basketball conference. I recall Auburn and LSU playing at UNCW in the 80's.

Also, our RPI and OOC record would have been phenomenal had we beaten both Radford and ECU last year, and we'd have really had no bad losses. We're talking about beating some P5 schools on the road, and flopped against those teams. With those losses, we had no chance of an at-large. Winning the regular season in the #9 conference gave us an opportunity, but not having those losses on our record.

The real way to make this happen is to become a "good loss" by leaping into the top 25 nationally and hanging right around there a few years. Right now, there is no upside for a P5 or even a major coming to UNCW. I also think Penn State would be a good target.

in my opinion even if we had beaten georgetown, ecu, and radford, we would not have gotten an at large. Our schedule was too soft with East Tennessee St U being our biggest OOC win. we played 0 top 50 schools until we got Duke. Just wasn't going to happen.
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(06-21-2016 10:43 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(06-21-2016 09:01 PM)solohawks Wrote:  [quote='82hawk' pid='13346269' dateline='1466559983']
Keatts and Bass wanted less away games period. Unfortunately, we cannot get quality games at home, so the Non DI teams are more than willing to come to Trask. Right now, our best bet is to win the CAA tournament. We need to take care of the Radfords, ECU's and other D1 teams that will get give us home and homes. Take care of conference play and we'll be good to go. Until the rest of the CAA rights their ships, the DII games don't bother me.

If we had beaten ECU and Radford last year, we'd have had an at-large shot. THOSE are the games we MUST won.

I disagree. The caa was in the top 10 of all conferences last year. It can't do much better than that. Beating ecu and Radford wouldn't have changed a thing in terms of getting an at large. I may be in the minority and that is fine, but I want our team to be challenged and play games that matter

We all want that. Problem is it takes two to tango. P5's have little to gain and a lot to lose by playing us, even in their own place. And even the quality mid-majors need those home-and-homes or 4-year deals we can't always readily accept.

The early season tournament in Nashville was a great move. Baby steps....

i just dont agree that we cant find a p5 team to host us and that is why we are settling for hosting non d1 opponents. its a business decision to have more home games at the lowest cost. it is just a business decision i disagree with. I would rather us go on the road and prove ourselves now that we have a team that is competitive.
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