(06-17-2016 01:24 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-17-2016 10:03 AM)herdinva Wrote:  

(06-17-2016 09:33 AM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-17-2016 08:41 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  Blows my mind that casual fans realize that market is meaningless, but CUSA leadership did not. I mean, where are the most valuable teams located? Tuscaloosa, Baton Rouge, Tallahassee, Lincoln, South Bend... the ceiling on big city teams is like Memphis State

CUSA has a bunch of programs that have been playing football for 100+ years in small towns which you point to as places where "the most valuable teams located". How did that help our contract numbers?

HATTIESBURG & HUNNINGTON, 106 & 121 years of football and this is the limit of your cash value to ESPN? 1 game apiece is all ESPN wants from these huge programs in small towns?

To borrow your line, the ceiling on b̶i̶g̶ ̶c̶i̶t̶y̶ small town teams is like USM

Dude, ESPN contracted 5 games with CUSA, all but USM and Marshall had to have a lure of a P5 program, or is that hard to put in perspective?

Louisville at Marshall, not on ESPN. Spin your way out of that reality.

No need to spin anything, Louisville was picked up by CBS sports. Again, espn chose mu and usm as the only games not involving a p5. I guess facts are too much for you. You better get started putting those tents up for the espn crew.........

(06-16-2016 09:09 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(06-16-2016 12:22 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(06-16-2016 09:17 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(06-16-2016 06:47 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  FOx did not even bid on CUSA, or if they did it was not enough cash to convince school presidents to have mid week games. Trust me, if the deal had been close to the MAC they would have taken it, they simply could not have afforded not to take it.

First, I didn't bring the P5 into this. You did.

Let me hit the only point worth commenting on. As I said, they will stop paying the rest of us. It's right there in the last post. That's the bottom line. I never said that in 2016 or 2017 the networks aren't going to pay anyone for content anymore. Nor did I say they were going to pay less to the P5. In fact, my point is that when you combine this shifting television environment with the creation of the P5/G5 division, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what's going to happen with the money, who is going to get the preponderance of it and who is going to be left holding the bag of ****.

There are some AAC fans like yourself who are either in denial or are worried about this too (along with a few disillusioned Marshall fans) or otherwise you wouldn't be here spewing.

If you aren't drawing 5+ rating consistently for conference games they aren't going to pay anymore. That simple. I had a network exec tell me that directly. How many times has the AAC drawn a 5+ rating for a conference game? The MAC or MWC? Much less the real reason why they pay the big numbers for those leagues which are the Ohio States and Alabamas that command 10+ ratings. The rooster is coming home to roost.

Lastly, we have still yet to see what the networks are willing to pay for the Tier 2. Fox gets 51% and my guess is there isn't a single network willing to pay for the full 49%, because they are afraid to do so. This too is a point I have been consistently making. It will probably be two or maybe even three other networks that split the remainder of the Big Ten content. The Big Ten currently receives about $21.5 million per school. When the new contract is in place, the Fox deal will pay them about $17 million per school. I'm not yet convinced that once the other deals are done that they will get a massive increase over what they are currently receiving. If ESPN wasn't willing to bid comparable on tier 1 what makes us think they will pay a significant amount of cash for selection of the leftover games? IMO, there is no way that ESPN or anyone else will be willing to shell out what the Big 10 thought they were going to get (and the second choice of games that comes with it).

While they are most certainly to get an increase in the media rights you have missed my points - perhaps through other posts - which is that we are in the early stages of this. It affects us first. It will affect all of the G5 next, and it will eventually affect the P5 as well. But let's be real. The power conferences are always going to get their money somehow. Not the same for the rest of us.

Not being delusional just looking at the money facts. MTSU and company were worth 100,000 in the Sun Belt and they are still worth about 100,000 in CUSA. There is no drastic valuation here just a market correction. The extra money MTSU and company are receiving come from Marshall,Southern Miss and Rice.

I'm not one to call some as being delusional. Usually reserve that for wkcc fans. But you don't know what the hell you are talking about. I will say that.

The deal that the Sun Belt signed when Middle Tennessee was in that conference was done in 2007...almost 10 years ago my man. And in case I didn't make the point clear the first time that situation included ESPN also having to pay the UL schools, Troy, and the Florida schools in their absolute infancy. Just the name itself was branded as weak from the word go. There was no money to be had. It was the Sun Belt. You don't seem to get that MT in C-USA is a more valuable property than MT in the Sun Belt even with a few of the Sun Belt schools brought along. Not sure why that's so hard to understand. So, you can throw around some numbers all you want. And you can ignore the trend if you prefer. Hell, your administration can do it too if they want but it will be at their own peril.

But the statement that those three schools are the only reason why we are getting what we are getting now is laughable. If you look at wkcc and MT what we've brought to the league has been just as valuable as anything they are doing. And that in no way is to disparage them, because - like I said - we have more value with them than we do with the schools that we were once associated with, so I fully recognize that we benefit by being members of the same conference with them. But they aren't the only reason. At least not for us. We pull our own weight.

So, ignore what's happening all you want my friend. Ignorance is bliss.

The ESPN deal with the Big 10 yesterday challenges this statement of yours. Conferences are going through a valuation process. There is no big drop in money across the board.

CUSA lost money because Marshall and Southern Miss cannot make up the short fall for schools who have low market valuations. It does notmatter what MTSU or WKU has done in the league. MTSU and WKU need to make national statements like Marshall has in order to earn more value in the eyes of tv exes.