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RE: CUSA TV revenue worse than thought
(06-08-2016 07:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-08-2016 06:23 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Self produced live streaming games is the future of not just football from each college and packeged together. Its really everything...
Cable companys are all ready bracing for their own demise...
All this money that they make and distrubute to college confrences will and is drying up
C-usa at $200k per school per year is just the start for all conf...

Is it? Or is it simply a period in which the method of content delivery and the way you pay for that content is changing. I'm not seeing a decline in the demand for college sports on the consumers part. Im just seeing them look for different cheaper ways to get that content.

You charge what the traffic will bear. Right now---the traffic (cable TV users) are finding their content cheaper from other sources. But the content is actually being consumed in greater amounts. Streaming is only cheaper because content providers have been charging streamers less money because they have not really represented a large enough income stream---cable was the big earner. Streamers just represented another small income stream. Cable made the big money so cable paid the freight for content providers.

As that changes and streaming become a bigger and bigger portion of the way consumer access content--then income to cable companies will drop. They wont be able to pay what they did for content. The content providers still have bills to pay. At that point, content providers will look to the streaming companies to make up that lost income. Thus, the streaming companies will have to pay more for right, because of the cable companies cannot, As they have to pay more for content---streaming prices to consumers will go up. Cable will be looked to cover less of the content providers productions costs. Thus, cable costs will begin to decrease. You'll also see cable unbundle services so you can control your bill by buying only what you really need or desire. Its all going to even out.

The market always reacts. It just takes time for it to adjust to new technologies and shifts in demand.

Sounds like you took Econ 101 and learned about supply and demand. A simple concept many do not get. In any supply and demand curve, if less and less people buy cable products, the price WILL go down at some point or cable companies will go out of business at a certain point.
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RE: CUSA TV revenue worse than thought
(06-09-2016 10:54 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(06-08-2016 07:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-08-2016 06:23 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Self produced live streaming games is the future of not just football from each college and packeged together. Its really everything...
Cable companys are all ready bracing for their own demise...
All this money that they make and distrubute to college confrences will and is drying up
C-usa at $200k per school per year is just the start for all conf...

Is it? Or is it simply a period in which the method of content delivery and the way you pay for that content is changing. I'm not seeing a decline in the demand for college sports on the consumers part. Im just seeing them look for different cheaper ways to get that content.

You charge what the traffic will bear. Right now---the traffic (cable TV users) are finding their content cheaper from other sources. But the content is actually being consumed in greater amounts. Streaming is only cheaper because content providers have been charging streamers less money because they have not really represented a large enough income stream---cable was the big earner. Streamers just represented another small income stream. Cable made the big money so cable paid the freight for content providers.

As that changes and streaming become a bigger and bigger portion of the way consumer access content--then income to cable companies will drop. They wont be able to pay what they did for content. The content providers still have bills to pay. At that point, content providers will look to the streaming companies to make up that lost income. Thus, the streaming companies will have to pay more for right, because of the cable companies cannot, As they have to pay more for content---streaming prices to consumers will go up. Cable will be looked to cover less of the content providers productions costs. Thus, cable costs will begin to decrease. You'll also see cable unbundle services so you can control your bill by buying only what you really need or desire. Its all going to even out.

The market always reacts. It just takes time for it to adjust to new technologies and shifts in demand.

Sounds like you took Econ 101 and learned about supply and demand. A simple concept many do not get. In any supply and demand curve, if less and less people buy cable products, the price WILL go down at some point or cable companies will go out of business at a certain point.

They can also fight with content providers to unbundle packages. That will likely happen with the next contract update. That is where I wonder if it busts for some conference networks. Not everyone wants to buy the big 10 network or SEC network.
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RE: CUSA TV revenue worse than thought
(06-09-2016 10:57 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 10:54 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(06-08-2016 07:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-08-2016 06:23 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Self produced live streaming games is the future of not just football from each college and packeged together. Its really everything...
Cable companys are all ready bracing for their own demise...
All this money that they make and distrubute to college confrences will and is drying up
C-usa at $200k per school per year is just the start for all conf...

Is it? Or is it simply a period in which the method of content delivery and the way you pay for that content is changing. I'm not seeing a decline in the demand for college sports on the consumers part. Im just seeing them look for different cheaper ways to get that content.

You charge what the traffic will bear. Right now---the traffic (cable TV users) are finding their content cheaper from other sources. But the content is actually being consumed in greater amounts. Streaming is only cheaper because content providers have been charging streamers less money because they have not really represented a large enough income stream---cable was the big earner. Streamers just represented another small income stream. Cable made the big money so cable paid the freight for content providers.

As that changes and streaming become a bigger and bigger portion of the way consumer access content--then income to cable companies will drop. They wont be able to pay what they did for content. The content providers still have bills to pay. At that point, content providers will look to the streaming companies to make up that lost income. Thus, the streaming companies will have to pay more for right, because of the cable companies cannot, As they have to pay more for content---streaming prices to consumers will go up. Cable will be looked to cover less of the content providers productions costs. Thus, cable costs will begin to decrease. You'll also see cable unbundle services so you can control your bill by buying only what you really need or desire. Its all going to even out.

The market always reacts. It just takes time for it to adjust to new technologies and shifts in demand.

Sounds like you took Econ 101 and learned about supply and demand. A simple concept many do not get. In any supply and demand curve, if less and less people buy cable products, the price WILL go down at some point or cable companies will go out of business at a certain point.

They can also fight with content providers to unbundle packages. That will likely happen with the next contract update. That is where I wonder if it busts for some conference networks. Not everyone wants to buy the big 10 network or SEC network.

Agree. Im not exactly sure how this will shake out. Im just saying the idea that cable is about to die assumes

1) cable does nothing and lets itself be suplanted

2)streaming will always be cheaper

3) Content providers will continue to sell rights to streamers cheaply while accepting the fact that cable can no longer pay what they used to.

4) Ever tried to surf a streaming device? There is a certain percentage of cable users that are not ever going to switch. They prefer the smoother faster more reliable cable viewing experience to streaming--even if it costs more. There are also older technologically challenged folks that are not going to really embrace streaming over cable. Bottom line---there is a floor to cord cutting.

5) There is an assumption that the infrastructure could handle all those cable customers switching to streaming without any ill effects on the delivery system or the viewing experience. I have my doubts about this aspect. If the experience suffers, people will return to cable. Even if the current internet system can handle the load---it would likely do so because major dollars were invested in upgrading infrastructure. My guess is internet providers will want to be compensated for this expense--say hello to higher internet rates or metered (pay based on the bandwidth used) billing.

I just think the whole "death of cable" thing is being overdone. Its not going to be the power that it was because a formidable new competitor has entered the marketplace, but that doesn't mean its going away. The rise of cable didn't end OTA television. This is no different.
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RE: CUSA TV revenue worse than thought
(06-09-2016 12:07 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 10:57 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 10:54 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(06-08-2016 07:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-08-2016 06:23 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Self produced live streaming games is the future of not just football from each college and packeged together. Its really everything...
Cable companys are all ready bracing for their own demise...
All this money that they make and distrubute to college confrences will and is drying up
C-usa at $200k per school per year is just the start for all conf...

Is it? Or is it simply a period in which the method of content delivery and the way you pay for that content is changing. I'm not seeing a decline in the demand for college sports on the consumers part. Im just seeing them look for different cheaper ways to get that content.

You charge what the traffic will bear. Right now---the traffic (cable TV users) are finding their content cheaper from other sources. But the content is actually being consumed in greater amounts. Streaming is only cheaper because content providers have been charging streamers less money because they have not really represented a large enough income stream---cable was the big earner. Streamers just represented another small income stream. Cable made the big money so cable paid the freight for content providers.

As that changes and streaming become a bigger and bigger portion of the way consumer access content--then income to cable companies will drop. They wont be able to pay what they did for content. The content providers still have bills to pay. At that point, content providers will look to the streaming companies to make up that lost income. Thus, the streaming companies will have to pay more for right, because of the cable companies cannot, As they have to pay more for content---streaming prices to consumers will go up. Cable will be looked to cover less of the content providers productions costs. Thus, cable costs will begin to decrease. You'll also see cable unbundle services so you can control your bill by buying only what you really need or desire. Its all going to even out.

The market always reacts. It just takes time for it to adjust to new technologies and shifts in demand.

Sounds like you took Econ 101 and learned about supply and demand. A simple concept many do not get. In any supply and demand curve, if less and less people buy cable products, the price WILL go down at some point or cable companies will go out of business at a certain point.

They can also fight with content providers to unbundle packages. That will likely happen with the next contract update. That is where I wonder if it busts for some conference networks. Not everyone wants to buy the big 10 network or SEC network.

Agree. Im not exactly sure how this will shake out. Im just saying the idea that cable is about to die assumes

1) cable does nothing and lets itself be suplanted

2)streaming will always be cheaper

3) Content providers will continue to sell rights to streamers cheaply while accepting the fact that cable can no longer pay what they used to.

4) Ever tried to surf a streaming device? There is a certain percentage of cable users that are not ever going to switch. They prefer the smoother faster more reliable cable viewing experience to streaming--even if it costs more. There are also older technologically challenged folks that are not going to really embrace streaming over cable. Bottom line---there is a floor to cord cutting.

5) There is an assumption that the infrastructure could handle all those cable customers switching to streaming without any ill effects on the delivery system or the viewing experience. I have my doubts about this aspect. If the experience suffers, people will return to cable. Even if the current internet system can handle the load---it would likely do so because major dollars were invested in upgrading infrastructure. My guess is internet providers will want to be compensated for this expense--say hello to higher internet rates or metered (pay based on the bandwidth used) billing.

I just think the whole "death of cable" thing is being overdone. Its not going to be the power that it was because a formidable new competitor has entered the marketplace, but that doesn't mean its going away. The rise of cable didn't end OTA television. This is no different.

I agree in that I don't think cable is going away and to be honest if more people switch to streaming like you said they may very well use cable internet to do so. So cable really isn't going anywhere.

I think the bigger concern for these conference network models is if the al a cart model gains traction and people are allowed to choose some or all content. Then there pretty little model where they have MD so they can charge everyone in MD for the Big 10 network goes up in flames. It is hard to gauge the percentages but that could be a massive hit in revenue. I know my folks who honestly could care less about sports would drop it immediately so there goes that buck a month or whatever they get per subscriber. I think it will be interesting to see all of this evolve.
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RE: CUSA TV revenue worse than thought
(06-09-2016 10:54 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(06-08-2016 07:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-08-2016 06:23 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Self produced live streaming games is the future of not just football from each college and packeged together. Its really everything...
Cable companys are all ready bracing for their own demise...
All this money that they make and distrubute to college confrences will and is drying up
C-usa at $200k per school per year is just the start for all conf...

Is it? Or is it simply a period in which the method of content delivery and the way you pay for that content is changing. I'm not seeing a decline in the demand for college sports on the consumers part. Im just seeing them look for different cheaper ways to get that content.

You charge what the traffic will bear. Right now---the traffic (cable TV users) are finding their content cheaper from other sources. But the content is actually being consumed in greater amounts. Streaming is only cheaper because content providers have been charging streamers less money because they have not really represented a large enough income stream---cable was the big earner. Streamers just represented another small income stream. Cable made the big money so cable paid the freight for content providers.

As that changes and streaming become a bigger and bigger portion of the way consumer access content--then income to cable companies will drop. They wont be able to pay what they did for content. The content providers still have bills to pay. At that point, content providers will look to the streaming companies to make up that lost income. Thus, the streaming companies will have to pay more for right, because of the cable companies cannot, As they have to pay more for content---streaming prices to consumers will go up. Cable will be looked to cover less of the content providers productions costs. Thus, cable costs will begin to decrease. You'll also see cable unbundle services so you can control your bill by buying only what you really need or desire. Its all going to even out.

The market always reacts. It just takes time for it to adjust to new technologies and shifts in demand.

Sounds like you took Econ 101 and learned about supply and demand. A simple concept many do not get. In any supply and demand curve, if less and less people buy cable products, the price WILL go down at some point or cable companies will go out of business at a certain point.


The price will go down for cable but the price that ESPN is able to charge will go down as well and thus the price they pay for content. ESPN has been extremely profitable due to the cable TV model and they can't hope to make up those profits via streaming revenue once they start to lose them from cable. Every cable subscriber buys ESPN but only about half actually want the channel. So for every two that cut the cord only one will seek out ESPN via Sling or something of the like. The rest will be perfectly happy with their Netflix and Hulu. Not only that but they have to deal with pirating online, so even if the average ESPN customer was willing to pay more for online access many are going to say F that and use their buddies login. That's why HBO has started offering online service without a cable subscription, they realized that they're better off selling online service to people who wouldn't buy cable anyway rather than let them steal it. ECON 101 (or maybe 102) also tells us than in a perfectly competitive market firms can't be profitable over the long term, only in the short term before market competition catches up. That's what we're seeing here, new technologies have enhanced competition in the market. This IS the market correction and it's not going back. Media's getting cheaper and companies are going to have to broaden their base to grow. I agree that cable isn't going away but cord cutting is going to continue to grow and moving away from bundling is not good for networks like ESPN.
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RE: CUSA TV revenue worse than thought
(06-09-2016 03:18 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 10:54 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(06-08-2016 07:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-08-2016 06:23 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Self produced live streaming games is the future of not just football from each college and packeged together. Its really everything...
Cable companys are all ready bracing for their own demise...
All this money that they make and distrubute to college confrences will and is drying up
C-usa at $200k per school per year is just the start for all conf...

Is it? Or is it simply a period in which the method of content delivery and the way you pay for that content is changing. I'm not seeing a decline in the demand for college sports on the consumers part. Im just seeing them look for different cheaper ways to get that content.

You charge what the traffic will bear. Right now---the traffic (cable TV users) are finding their content cheaper from other sources. But the content is actually being consumed in greater amounts. Streaming is only cheaper because content providers have been charging streamers less money because they have not really represented a large enough income stream---cable was the big earner. Streamers just represented another small income stream. Cable made the big money so cable paid the freight for content providers.

As that changes and streaming become a bigger and bigger portion of the way consumer access content--then income to cable companies will drop. They wont be able to pay what they did for content. The content providers still have bills to pay. At that point, content providers will look to the streaming companies to make up that lost income. Thus, the streaming companies will have to pay more for right, because of the cable companies cannot, As they have to pay more for content---streaming prices to consumers will go up. Cable will be looked to cover less of the content providers productions costs. Thus, cable costs will begin to decrease. You'll also see cable unbundle services so you can control your bill by buying only what you really need or desire. Its all going to even out.

The market always reacts. It just takes time for it to adjust to new technologies and shifts in demand.

Sounds like you took Econ 101 and learned about supply and demand. A simple concept many do not get. In any supply and demand curve, if less and less people buy cable products, the price WILL go down at some point or cable companies will go out of business at a certain point.


The price will go down for cable but the price that ESPN is able to charge will go down as well and thus the price they pay for content. ESPN has been extremely profitable due to the cable TV model and they can't hope to make up those profits via streaming revenue once they start to lose them from cable. Every cable subscriber buys ESPN but only about half actually want the channel. So for every two that cut the cord only one will seek out ESPN via Sling or something of the like. The rest will be perfectly happy with their Netflix and Hulu. Not only that but they have to deal with pirating online, so even if the average ESPN customer was willing to pay more for online access many are going to say F that and use their buddies login. That's why HBO has started offering online service without a cable subscription, they realized that they're better off selling online service to people who wouldn't buy cable anyway rather than let them steal it. ECON 101 (or maybe 102) also tells us than in a perfectly competitive market firms can't be profitable over the long term, only in the short term before market competition catches up. That's what we're seeing here, new technologies have enhanced competition in the market. This IS the market correction and it's not going back. Media's getting cheaper and companies are going to have to broaden their base to grow. I agree that cable isn't going away but cord cutting is going to continue to grow and moving away from bundling is not good for networks like ESPN.


A couple of base facts---

**Consumers are watching and consuming more content faster than they every have in history. Content is what drives people to ESPN.

**Without the content, ESPN is just 4 letters. Nobody will pay a premium price for ESPN (or ANY network) if they don't have content you want.

**One third of all TV content consumed is sports

People subscribe to your network or to your streaming service based on the content you offer. ESPN has become the HIGHEST paid network because they have content that people will SWITCH cable services to get. If a cable provider didn't offer ESPN---people will dump that provider and move to a provider that does carry ESPN. That gave them pricing power. So, the content ESPN owns is attractive to viewers and will draw a large loyal following of high paying subscribers.

In an unbundled world---networks who don't have high demand content are going to die. To me, that says other services/networks will be aggressively bidding on exactly the type of content that ESPN has (in order to spur higher subscription numbers--hopefully at higher rates). More services/networks competing for a limited pool of high demand content spells rising content prices for sports content in the long run.

This is just a period of disruptive change. Once the cable companies and content providers begin to figure out new ways to deliver and monetize the content, the content bidding wars will begin. In short--my view is content is king. If you don't have content, you have nothing to draw viewers to your streaming site or network. Worse yet, unlike TV Networks, the barriers to enter the streaming site business are quite low--if you try to low ball a rights holder, its not that hard for them to create their own streaming site to distribute their content independently. Long term, I think profit margins will be much thinner for networks like ESPN---but I think content providers are going to do very well in an unbundled world.
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I agree with all that, ESPN has a near monopoly on all the desirable sports content and that's how they've managed to demand such high prices from cable companies. They can do similar things online by "bundling" different sports into one spot for sports fans and they'll have enough leverage that way to keep the SEC or Nba or whoever else from just distributing it themselves. They can offer more to each by having all the content. But, the revenues won't be what they were and the ease to enter the market as you said is greater online. They can't just outbid everyone to no end forever and not eventually overpay and fall on thier face.
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Didn't want to start a new thread so sticking this blurb about tv from cbssports.com here.

Quote:6. Questions arise for how smaller conferences will get paid. This is a key question for the on-field competitive issue, especially as the costs of doing business in college sports increase with cost of attendance and other benefits for athletes.

"I'm somewhat sensitive about it because I think we're watching the business segregate," Shaheen said. "I think the layer to watch in everything is the [Group of Five] conferences, and I don't like anything artificially recapping them if something deemed catastrophic happened to them."

Take, for example, C-USA, which recently signed new deals with ESPN, CBS Sports Network, American Sports Network and beIN SPORTS. Documents obtained from Old Dominion show that each C-USA school's annual media rights payout will decrease from about $1.1 million to $200,000, according to The Virginian-Pilot.

Shaheen said the details revealed in that story were outdated and the agreements had already been recalibrated when C-USA lost Memphis and Central Florida. Television agreements typically have language allowing for increased or decreased money if the conference membership changes.

"Did [C-USA] take a bath? Yes," Shaheen said. "They didn't take the bath everybody is saying."

Still, less money is less money. "C-USA got cut off at the top and you can see the results of losing the top end of your conference," Bevilacqua said. "It's not helpful."

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...ew-tv-deal
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