If the networks are showing that they don't have a lot of interest in our conference games, then what if we scheduled less of them and more OOC games? Try something radical like only play teams in your division (i.e. 6 conference games) and allow the teams to schedule 6 OOC games. Preferably require each team to schedule at least one P5 home game per year. The division winners play each other in the championship game.

Alternatively, the league could drop to 7 conference games and schedule only 1 crossover game and leave 5 OOC games. The league would have to step in and keep teams from scheduling multiple road body bag games. The intent is to increase TV revenue by enabling teams to schedule more desirable home opponents that TV is more interested in televising.

Exactly what I said. It could also allow the opportunity for more 2-1's and an extra money game if need be.

I think its at least looking into.

(06-20-2016 11:37 AM)CurveItAround Wrote:  If the networks are showing that they don't have a lot of interest in our conference games, then what if we scheduled less of them and more OOC games? Try something radical like only play teams in your division (i.e. 6 conference games) and allow the teams to schedule 6 OOC games. Preferably require each team to schedule at least one P5 home game per year. The division winners play each other in the championship game.

Alternatively, the league could drop to 7 conference games and schedule only 1 crossover game and leave 5 OOC games. The league would have to step in and keep teams from scheduling multiple road body bag games. The intent is to increase TV revenue by enabling teams to schedule more desirable home opponents that TV is more interested in televising.

This would also reduce the number of bowl eligible teams potentially.

The current market did not hurt the B1G...

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journ...g-Ten.aspx

They will triple their current media payout.

(06-20-2016 02:31 PM)Eagleholic Wrote:  The current market did not hurt the B1G...

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journ...g-Ten.aspx

They will triple their current media payout.

Exactly. People who think this is just about the market or cord cutting have their heads buried.

Losing money is losing money. Doesn't matter if it's on big boy street or little boys street.

(06-20-2016 02:50 PM)GoBigGold Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 02:31 PM)Eagleholic Wrote:  The current market did not hurt the B1G...

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journ...g-Ten.aspx

They will triple their current media payout.

Exactly. People who think this is just about the market or cord cutting have their heads buried.

Losing money is losing money. Doesn't matter if it's on big boy street or little boys street.

+ 2 got ya back into the positive.

(06-20-2016 11:37 AM)CurveItAround Wrote:  If the networks are showing that they don't have a lot of interest in our conference games, then what if we scheduled less of them and more OOC games? Try something radical like only play teams in your division (i.e. 6 conference games) and allow the teams to schedule 6 OOC games. Preferably require each team to schedule at least one P5 home game per year. The division winners play each other in the championship game.

Alternatively, the league could drop to 7 conference games and schedule only 1 crossover game and leave 5 OOC games. The league would have to step in and keep teams from scheduling multiple road body bag games. The intent is to increase TV revenue by enabling teams to schedule more desirable home opponents that TV is more interested in televising.

Good idea in theory, but where are you going to get five or six OOC games when three of the P5 play nine-game schedules and a fourth (the ACC) may be about to join them?

Plus, by the time you get to weeks 5-7, where these extra OOC games will likely take place, everyone else is in their conference schedules. There won't be many available opponents period, much less desirable ones.

Now if everyone in G5 were to go to a division-only scheduling scheme, you'd at least open up the OOC for better G5 vs. G5 matchups late in the non-conference period. But if CUSA is the only conference to go to a 6 or 7-game schedule, filling that extra game or two becomes a nightmare.

^Not only that, but how many times do OOC games get pushed back, bought out or cancelled? Seems like most of the guaranteed annual OOC games outside the P5 involve the service academies plus maybe a few P5/G5 in state rivalries. Seems risky for TV to purchase rights to a conference banking on OOC games.

There are ways around all of that.

Allow CUSA East/West teams to play each other in an "OOC" game if they are unable to find a game, or if they would like to play each other. Basically it would allow Marshall to play So Miss/La Tech every year in regular season if we wanted. It also wouldn't hurt either of the teams standings within our own division, even if we were to lose.

I would much rather play the better teams in CUSA West to help with SOS concerns.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...ew-tv-deal

More on the TV deal

(06-20-2016 03:17 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 11:37 AM)CurveItAround Wrote:  If the networks are showing that they don't have a lot of interest in our conference games, then what if we scheduled less of them and more OOC games? Try something radical like only play teams in your division (i.e. 6 conference games) and allow the teams to schedule 6 OOC games. Preferably require each team to schedule at least one P5 home game per year. The division winners play each other in the championship game.

Alternatively, the league could drop to 7 conference games and schedule only 1 crossover game and leave 5 OOC games. The league would have to step in and keep teams from scheduling multiple road body bag games. The intent is to increase TV revenue by enabling teams to schedule more desirable home opponents that TV is more interested in televising.

Good idea in theory, but where are you going to get five or six OOC games when three of the P5 play nine-game schedules and a fourth (the ACC) may be about to join them?

Plus, by the time you get to weeks 5-7, where these extra OOC games will likely take place, everyone else is in their conference schedules. There won't be many available opponents period, much less desirable ones.

Now if everyone in G5 were to go to a division-only scheduling scheme, you'd at least open up the OOC for better G5 vs. G5 matchups late in the non-conference period. But if CUSA is the only conference to go to a 6 or 7-game schedule, filling that extra game or two becomes a nightmare.

That idea has been kicked around on several boards and your point is the same conclusion most of the other threads reached. Not only are most P5's moving to a 9 game conference schedule---most power conferences are are now requiring at least one OOC to be against another P5 school. So that represents yet another huge reduction in the number of potential P5 OOC games available for G5 schools to go after.

All signs point to a separate division for G5's in the future, unfortunately.

(06-21-2016 01:00 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  All signs point to a separate division for G5's in the future, unfortunately.

Unless we fight it, and I assume we will. Kicker is, if they would have enforced previous restrictions, like stadium size, attendance, etc, DIA would not be so watered down right now. We have too many programs that do not belong in 1A, some are recent up comers and some have been playing for years. GSU and App St. belong a lot more that some of the old timers, like a few in each conference of the G5.

About the fighting it part. You have to remember that a majority of these schools that would get screwed are state institutions, and some are even flagships of their states. Like NM, UNLV, UNR, WYOMING. You have some who aren't flagships but are still important, like ECU, Marshall, USM, etc. I just don't see the P5 winning that fight if it comes.

(06-21-2016 01:12 PM)herdinva Wrote:  

(06-21-2016 01:00 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  All signs point to a separate division for G5's in the future, unfortunately.

Unless we fight it, and I assume we will. Kicker is, if they would have enforced previous restrictions, like stadium size, attendance, etc, DIA would not be so watered down right now. We have too many programs that do not belong in 1A, some are recent up comers and some have been playing for years. GSU and App St. belong a lot more that some of the old timers, like a few in each conference of the G5.

About the fighting it part. You have to remember that a majority of these schools that would get screwed are state institutions, and some are even flagships of their states. Like NM, UNLV, UNR, WYOMING. You have some who aren't flagships but are still important, like ECU, Marshall, USM, etc. I just don't see the P5 winning that fight if it comes.

I cross my fingers (and toes) that you are correct

(06-21-2016 01:00 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  All signs point to a separate division for G5's in the future, unfortunately.

There will not be separate divisions unless we decide to split. The wealthy schools get the lion's share of the money from TV and they get to stack their OOC schedule with home games against "FBS" programs. They get to win 7 or 8 games and sell the pipe dream of a national or conference title at places like Arkansas or Michigan State and make a s*#t ton of money for AD's, coaches and contractors. Why would they want to jeopardize that by giving up home games and decreasing their chances of having a "winning" season every year?

(06-21-2016 01:41 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(06-21-2016 01:00 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  All signs point to a separate division for G5's in the future, unfortunately.

There will not be separate divisions unless we decide to split. The wealthy schools get the lion's share of the money from TV and they get to stack their OOC schedule with home games against "FBS" programs. They get to win 7 or 8 games and sell the pipe dream of a national or conference title at places like Arkansas or Michigan State and make a s*#t ton of money for AD's, coaches and contractors. Why would they want to jeopardize that by giving up home games and decreasing their chances of having a "winning" season every year?

Good point

(06-21-2016 12:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 03:17 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 11:37 AM)CurveItAround Wrote:  If the networks are showing that they don't have a lot of interest in our conference games, then what if we scheduled less of them and more OOC games? Try something radical like only play teams in your division (i.e. 6 conference games) and allow the teams to schedule 6 OOC games. Preferably require each team to schedule at least one P5 home game per year. The division winners play each other in the championship game.

Alternatively, the league could drop to 7 conference games and schedule only 1 crossover game and leave 5 OOC games. The league would have to step in and keep teams from scheduling multiple road body bag games. The intent is to increase TV revenue by enabling teams to schedule more desirable home opponents that TV is more interested in televising.

Good idea in theory, but where are you going to get five or six OOC games when three of the P5 play nine-game schedules and a fourth (the ACC) may be about to join them?

Plus, by the time you get to weeks 5-7, where these extra OOC games will likely take place, everyone else is in their conference schedules. There won't be many available opponents period, much less desirable ones.

Now if everyone in G5 were to go to a division-only scheduling scheme, you'd at least open up the OOC for better G5 vs. G5 matchups late in the non-conference period. But if CUSA is the only conference to go to a 6 or 7-game schedule, filling that extra game or two becomes a nightmare.

That idea has been kicked around on several boards and your point is the same conclusion most of the other threads reached. Not only are most P5's moving to a 9 game conference schedule---most power conferences are are now requiring at least one OOC to be against another P5 school. So that represents yet another huge reduction in the number of potential P5 OOC games available for G5 schools to go after.

It would not be ideal, but you could always play a school from the other conference division as an OOC the same way that some ACC schools have done (UNC vs WF last year for example). Flexibility in scheduling is the key and building a stronger home schedule (at least from a TV standpoint) would be the goal so that the conference TV inventory is more valuable. It usually is not a problem scheduling OOC games during the first half of the season. It is the last half that becomes more problematic, which is the challenge that the independents face.

If the goal is to increase TV revenues, and possibly even home attendance, then something is probably going to have to change.