(06-02-2016 11:52 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 07:27 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 07:04 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 06:46 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 02:09 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Or, maybe that is Perrin's opinion, but not Fenves', since the presidents have the votes.

Perrin doesn't say that unless Fenves agrees. When was the last time you said something to the media that was contrary to what your boss thinks? And how did that work out for you?

And Perrin said it for one of two reasons:

1) The votes aren't there for expansion
OR
2) The votes are there for expansion and UT is preparing their exit.

Texas is making it clear that they want status quo and won't be giving up LHN. As someone said if by adding teams they hope to renegotiate deal, that will include GOR. I think this league is deadman walking. Texas will remain as long as LHN exists if at the end ESPN doesn't continue LHN, Texas will leave for BigTen or PAC. There can be no Big12 network without Texas.

I agree with most of this but, there can be a network without Texas. Texas has been down for a few years now and their own crowds have started to decline. On the other hand, TCU has been a pillar of strength and Oklahoma has been steady. WVA is getting better as is Oklahoma State. Add to those USF, UCF, Cincinnati, Houston, Temple Memphis and UConn while letting Texas walk and you've got a huge population footprint. That and exciting matchups buts butts in the seat's and eyes on the sets. That conference wins a National Championship without Texas and they would be fine.

Yeah man, it's rough how much their own crowds have declined. They used to average 100k per game. Now they only average 90k per game.

Urm, they went from 101K+ attendance in 2013-2014 to 94,103 in 2014-2015 and 81,381.8 this year. That's a 20% drop in attendance in the past 3 years. Yep, you really called me out on that one.

(06-02-2016 10:21 AM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  Big 12 will add Va Tech, Louisville, Virginia, and Cincy.
ACC will add ECU, Memphis, UConn, and Temple.
AAC will likely add UMass, ODU, and 1-3 others.


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If the B-12 takes both VA Tech and UVA (which no way in hell that happens) the ACC may likely want to add a team from Virginia rather than another team from North Carolina

They need 8 of 10 infavor, ain't happening

(06-03-2016 11:31 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 10:40 AM)BKTopper Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 08:23 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 12:40 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 12:29 PM)GeminiShamrock Wrote:  Because Houston helps shore up the city of Houston. The SEC made inroads into the market when it got the Marooney Tunes.

I wish they would look outside the box and consider ECU. I realize it's a very long shot. A new market in the state of North Carolina and right in the heart of ACC country.

Why not expand into an area where you have no presence currently and cut into an opposing conference.

With all due respect, ECU won’t be in the discussion for P5 expansion until a commitment is made to your basketball program. Football drives the bus but to a multi bid P5 conference like the Big12 basketball matters.

That's why UNC and UofL make sense. Then round out with VT, Clemson, GT, and FSU to get to 16. GoR or no GoR, that's how you grab prime content and markets for a network and demote a competitor. They have the money and the lawyers.

No doubt those schools would be interested in being associated with Texas and Oklahoma vs. the remaining schools, aside from maybe UVA, possibly Miami. Maybe Miami gets in B12 instead of GT/Clemson. Who knows?

One issue is do any of those schools want to be associated with WVU?

Second issue: UNC is the Texas of their current conference for bball clout. They would need assurances that they could exert Texas-like control over the east, or at least not play second fiddle to a western school. Tall order...

The eastern division would be the ACC schools plus WVU and ISU.

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Maybe i'm misunderstanding this, but what incentive would Clemson, FSU and UNC have to leave the ACC who at this point looks like one of the most stable conferences in the country? A conference that has proved it can put a team in the final 4 CFB playoffs both years of its existence and had a basketball team play for the national championship in 2016 and win it in 2015, to go to a conference where they will join Oklahoma playing second fiddle to the whims of Texas.

What incentive? More money and being associated with state schools and not city schools.
Cheers!

(06-12-2016 11:27 AM)Stookey57 Wrote:  They need 8 of 10 infavor, ain't happening

Ain't happening for ECU either. And that's my point.

Expansion is dead and buried..

(06-12-2016 11:27 AM)Stookey57 Wrote:  They need 8 of 10 infavor, ain't happening

We know Texas is a no.... which means Tejas Light (aka Texas Tech) is a no, cause they do what daddy says. Now that Baylor is neutered, they need the Texas connection more than ever and I dont see them pissing off Texas. So theres vote number 3 and expansion is DEAD.

(06-12-2016 02:44 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Expansion is dead and buried..

Then explain why they left it as an open question. They slammed the door on the network idea, why not do the same with expansion?

(06-06-2016 03:01 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 11:52 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 07:27 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 07:04 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 06:46 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  Perrin doesn't say that unless Fenves agrees. When was the last time you said something to the media that was contrary to what your boss thinks? And how did that work out for you?

And Perrin said it for one of two reasons:

1) The votes aren't there for expansion
OR
2) The votes are there for expansion and UT is preparing their exit.

Texas is making it clear that they want status quo and won't be giving up LHN. As someone said if by adding teams they hope to renegotiate deal, that will include GOR. I think this league is deadman walking. Texas will remain as long as LHN exists if at the end ESPN doesn't continue LHN, Texas will leave for BigTen or PAC. There can be no Big12 network without Texas.

I agree with most of this but, there can be a network without Texas. Texas has been down for a few years now and their own crowds have started to decline. On the other hand, TCU has been a pillar of strength and Oklahoma has been steady. WVA is getting better as is Oklahoma State. Add to those USF, UCF, Cincinnati, Houston, Temple Memphis and UConn while letting Texas walk and you've got a huge population footprint. That and exciting matchups buts butts in the seat's and eyes on the sets. That conference wins a National Championship without Texas and they would be fine.

Yeah man, it's rough how much their own crowds have declined. They used to average 100k per game. Now they only average 90k per game.

Urm, they went from 101K+ attendance in 2013-2014 to 94,103 in 2014-2015 and 81,381.8 this year. That's a 20% drop in attendance in the past 3 years. Yep, you really called me out on that one.

Too bad you're wrong.

86,458 Rice
91,568 Cal
87,073 OSU
88,283 KSU
92,529 KU
94,299 TTU

Add those up and divide by 6. You'll get 90,035.

NCAA official attendance says the same number: http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_r...e/2015.pdf

Even with a 5-7 record, Texas still has the 10th best attendance in the country. So yes, I did call you out on that one.

(06-02-2016 12:29 PM)GeminiShamrock Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 12:26 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 10:24 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I think the real question is will The Big 12 go 12, 14, or 16 teams? Here are the six that will add tv sets to the footprint:

BYU
Connecticut
Temple
Cincinnati
Memphis
Houston

How does Houston add? They already have Texas covered with the Longhorns. They don't need any more Texas teams for TV reasons. I'm not saying Houston doesn't deserve a shot, just not for tv reasons.

Because Houston helps shore up the city of Houston. The SEC made inroads into the market when it got the Marooney Tunes.

Do you believe Houston has a large enough following that call the Cougars "their team/program" to move the needle much in a market that is already owned by the conference?

(06-17-2016 05:10 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 12:29 PM)GeminiShamrock Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 12:26 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 10:24 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I think the real question is will The Big 12 go 12, 14, or 16 teams? Here are the six that will add tv sets to the footprint:

BYU
Connecticut
Temple
Cincinnati
Memphis
Houston

How does Houston add? They already have Texas covered with the Longhorns. They don't need any more Texas teams for TV reasons. I'm not saying Houston doesn't deserve a shot, just not for tv reasons.

Because Houston helps shore up the city of Houston. The SEC made inroads into the market when it got the Marooney Tunes.

Do you believe Houston has a large enough following that call the Cougars "their team/program" to move the needle much in a market that is already owned by the conference?

When Houston is good they get a pretty big following. Houston fans are pretty fickle and will follow any team that is winning. Just because your a fan of one team doesn't meant you can't be a fan of another as well. Heck i'm a fan of 5 different NFL teams.

@GuerinEmig 51m51 minutes ago
OU pres David Boren w/ Big 12 (non)update: We may meet again later in the summer, but I don’t anticipate moving on expansion at that time.

(06-21-2016 01:21 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  @GuerinEmig 51m51 minutes ago
OU pres David Boren w/ Big 12 (non)update: We may meet again later in the summer, but I don’t anticipate moving on expansion at that time.

Welp I guess we better get comfortable then.

(06-21-2016 01:53 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(06-21-2016 01:21 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  @GuerinEmig 51m51 minutes ago
OU pres David Boren w/ Big 12 (non)update: We may meet again later in the summer, but I don’t anticipate moving on expansion at that time.

Welp I guess we better get comfortable then.

Any expansion urgency died when the Big 12 announced that teams would be receiving $30M for the year.

(06-13-2016 11:41 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(06-12-2016 02:44 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Expansion is dead and buried..

Then explain why they left it as an open question. They slammed the door on the network idea, why not do the same with expansion?

Maybe they love all the free media attention... schools desperately clamoring to join the awesomeness of the B12.

(06-21-2016 02:01 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(06-21-2016 01:53 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(06-21-2016 01:21 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  @GuerinEmig 51m51 minutes ago
OU pres David Boren w/ Big 12 (non)update: We may meet again later in the summer, but I don’t anticipate moving on expansion at that time.

Welp I guess we better get comfortable then.

Any expansion urgency died when the Big 12 announced that teams would be receiving $30M for the year.

That, the adding of champ game, and the death of Network make expanding very stupid at this time...

(06-21-2016 02:01 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(06-21-2016 01:53 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(06-21-2016 01:21 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  @GuerinEmig 51m51 minutes ago
OU pres David Boren w/ Big 12 (non)update: We may meet again later in the summer, but I don’t anticipate moving on expansion at that time.

Welp I guess we better get comfortable then.

Any expansion urgency died when the Big 12 announced that teams would be receiving $30M for the year.

We'll see what they say when their revenue drops again in a couple of years. In the mean time I do think that the lack of a network killed things.

(06-25-2016 12:44 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(06-21-2016 02:01 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(06-21-2016 01:53 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(06-21-2016 01:21 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  @GuerinEmig 51m51 minutes ago
OU pres David Boren w/ Big 12 (non)update: We may meet again later in the summer, but I don’t anticipate moving on expansion at that time.

Welp I guess we better get comfortable then.

Any expansion urgency died when the Big 12 announced that teams would be receiving $30M for the year.

We'll see what they say when their revenue drops again in a couple of years. In the mean time I do think that the lack of a network killed things.

why would their revenue be dropping in a couple of years

the Big 12 media contracts scale up about $1 million per team per year and they are not even at the $20 million per team average until the 2018-19 fiscal year

from next year and the remaining 7 years after that the Big 12 should average $36.5 million per year per team over that 8 years if the CCG pays $30 million per year

that is the problem with adding new teams those new teams only bring in $360 million per pair over that same 8 years which averages to $22.5 million per year

so unless the Big 12 wants to put up with all the nonsense that would come from adding two teams and then paying them $14+ million dollars per year less over the next 8 years (and that is with current Big 12 teams staying even on money no net gain for them) then there is no incentive to add teams

and what conference wants to go into new contract negotiations with 2 teams they have been paying $14 million per year less over the past 8 years and try and pretend those teams are now worth more money