(05-31-2016 06:13 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(05-30-2016 11:25 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 01:49 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 01:26 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 12:06 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  Is Aresco doing a good job, yes. Does an individual, who was hired cause his former TV exec experience, deserve more than half (in salary, never mind travel and benefits) that each school receives in total for TV money per year.......that's always been my contention.

If you don't pay on the front end, you'll be paying on the back end.

The last thing I'm going to do right now is complain about what the freakin commish makes. He's doing a good job.

I think we underpay him, tbh. He's been amazing for us

Good gig if u can get it. What exactly has he accomplished? Radio interviews and taking the obvious tv offer? So he makes 5% of our tv contract, is that an industry standard? What's Bowlby worth....i kid i kid. Like i said, decent job done, but overpaid.

Aresco is playing chess and you're judging him with a checkers brain. You can 'kid' all you want but you conclusions lack a fundamental understanding of what is going on here. This is perhaps the biggest rebuild in this history of collegiate athletics. It's never been about short-term gains.

Accepting the obvious ESPN offer at less than 10% of a P5. Doing radio interviews and promoting the brand. Signing on to crap bowls. That's chess?

Like I said he works hard, as he should, but is overpaid for the results. The next contract will be the deciding factor but we may lose a few schools partially because of how bad the original deal was....and I get it it was not the easiest negotiating period but as they say that is why he gets paid the big bucks and it ends at the top.

This is like the re-alignment talk, expansion talk etc., people are adamant on both sides of the issue.

(05-31-2016 08:25 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  There are things Aresco has done well on and things he hasn't done so well on. The next TV deal is where he's gonna show if he's worth what he's being paid or not.

I agree with this. I think everything he has done and is doing was built on the premise for the next deal. He wanted to build the conference up through exposure. Assuming the league remains intact they will have actual metrics to evaluate what the league is worth. Navy's rights will be included in the next deal as well which hold value. I honestly have no idea what they ultimate dollar is but hopefully it is in the 8-10 range because it will allow the league to grow and stay close enough top the P5 to continue to compete.

The bowls is the other area he needs to see some growth. I hope he is in contact with all of them so we can secure a couple of nice slots. Military is honestly is the only decent one at the moment. If he could secure the other half of the Armed Forces and 1 bowl along the lines of the Liberty/Gator/Belk/Etc and then enhance the Miami Beach Bowl with the ACC as a full time opponent that would be nice. I think this is probably the one area Aresco overplayed his hand and thought he could do better and then things fell apart when various bowls went in other directions.

(05-31-2016 11:05 AM)PT_american Wrote:  

(05-31-2016 08:25 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  There are things Aresco has done well on and things he hasn't done so well on. The next TV deal is where he's gonna show if he's worth what he's being paid or not.

I agree with this. I think everything he has done and is doing was built on the premise for the next deal. He wanted to build the conference up through exposure. Assuming the league remains intact they will have actual metrics to evaluate what the league is worth. Navy's rights will be included in the next deal as well which hold value. I honestly have no idea what they ultimate dollar is but hopefully it is in the 8-10 range because it will allow the league to grow and stay close enough top the P5 to continue to compete.

The bowls is the other area he needs to see some growth. I hope he is in contact with all of them so we can secure a couple of nice slots. Military is honestly is the only decent one at the moment. If he could secure the other half of the Armed Forces and 1 bowl along the lines of the Liberty/Gator/Belk/Etc and then enhance the Miami Beach Bowl with the ACC as a full time opponent that would be nice. I think this is probably the one area Aresco overplayed his hand and thought he could do better and then things fell apart when various bowls went in other directions.

Not getting the liberty in Memphis's home stadium hurts.

(05-31-2016 09:45 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(05-31-2016 06:13 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(05-30-2016 11:25 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 01:49 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 01:26 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  If you don't pay on the front end, you'll be paying on the back end.

The last thing I'm going to do right now is complain about what the freakin commish makes. He's doing a good job.

I think we underpay him, tbh. He's been amazing for us

Good gig if u can get it. What exactly has he accomplished? Radio interviews and taking the obvious tv offer? So he makes 5% of our tv contract, is that an industry standard? What's Bowlby worth....i kid i kid. Like i said, decent job done, but overpaid.

Aresco is playing chess and you're judging him with a checkers brain. You can 'kid' all you want but you conclusions lack a fundamental understanding of what is going on here. This is perhaps the biggest rebuild in this history of collegiate athletics. It's never been about short-term gains.

Accepting the obvious ESPN offer at less than 10% of a P5. Doing radio interviews and promoting the brand. Signing on to crap bowls. That's chess?

Like I said he works hard, as he should, but is overpaid for the results. The next contract will be the deciding factor but we may lose a few schools partially because of how bad the original deal was....and I get it it was not the easiest negotiating period but as they say that is why he gets paid the big bucks and it ends at the top.

This is like the re-alignment talk, expansion talk etc., people are adamant on both sides of the issue.

I mean seriously! why hasn't he gotten us 20 mill per school yet! That's totally on him, not the fact that none of our schools are in the top 10 of all time, or that we don't have a single football championship. He's clearly not worth it. Look at what the SEC commish has done. He would have gotten us 20 mill per school already!

Let's also forget the fact that we were considered on the same standing as the mwc but got more money and more exposure and that has helped us get some separation.

The delusion some people have about their school and this group of schools is pretty mind boggling. You can't screw up something by not getting it if you never had a chance to get it. I am so excited about Houston's future, but until we get into that .750 win percentage and maybe a championship or two, we're not going to carry a conference and we don't have a SINGLE school in this conference that can do that yet.

(05-31-2016 11:05 AM)PT_american Wrote:  

(05-31-2016 08:25 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  There are things Aresco has done well on and things he hasn't done so well on. The next TV deal is where he's gonna show if he's worth what he's being paid or not.

I agree with this. I think everything he has done and is doing was built on the premise for the next deal. He wanted to build the conference up through exposure. Assuming the league remains intact they will have actual metrics to evaluate what the league is worth. Navy's rights will be included in the next deal as well which hold value. I honestly have no idea what they ultimate dollar is but hopefully it is in the 8-10 range because it will allow the league to grow and stay close enough top the P5 to continue to compete.

The bowls is the other area he needs to see some growth. I hope he is in contact with all of them so we can secure a couple of nice slots. Military is honestly is the only decent one at the moment. If he could secure the other half of the Armed Forces and 1 bowl along the lines of the Liberty/Gator/Belk/Etc and then enhance the Miami Beach Bowl with the ACC as a full time opponent that would be nice. I think this is probably the one area Aresco overplayed his hand and thought he could do better and then things fell apart when various bowls went in other directions.

I think there are a few things we can do on the bowl front---but I wouldn't expect too much.

1) We can upgrade both the payout and time slot for the Miami Bowl so that it becomes attractive enough to sign a P5 opponent. The best case scenario is to get it included in the same bowl pool as the Texas and Liberty Bowls (#3-#5 selections from a P5 conference).

2) Get a full time ACC commitment for the St Pete Bowl.

3) Get a full time tie to the Armed Forces Bowl

4) Get a tie in to the Indy Bowl (adds another P5 bowl).

5) Add the NOLA Bowl as a full time lower level Bowl in place of Hawaii/Bahamas slots.

New Line Up--

Miami-vs #3-5 P5
Military vs ACC #7
St Pete vs ACC
Birmingham vs SEC
Ft Worth vs B12/B10
Indy vs SEC
NOLA vs SB Champ
Boca vs CUSA

Not great, but at least all the bowls are in our footprint and 6 of 8 are against P5 opponents (7 of 9 in years where we win the access bowl slot). One of the remaining bowls is against a conference champ. That a pretty challenging post season for us.

(05-31-2016 09:08 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(05-31-2016 08:25 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  The next TV deal is where he's gonna show if he's worth what he's being paid or not.

Not if the AAC loses two members before going to the negotiations table.

Doesn't matter whether that happens or not. If he can't get better revenue than the last deal then he's not worth what he's paid. Doesn't mean he's an awful commish but he's making P5 level commish money. This next deal determines whether that money was a complete waste or if he's really as smart as everyone wants to believe he is.

(05-31-2016 09:45 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  \Accepting the obvious ESPN offer at less than 10% of a P5. Doing radio interviews and promoting the brand. Signing on to crap bowls. That's chess?

We've actually done pretty well with the bowls given the circumstances. When you consider our #6 played the MWC champion, what more do you want him to do?

That "obvious" ESPN offer got us more coverage than Tulane has ever seen.

I think chess is an apt term. For a startup, the AAC has already proven its relevancy. You bet those radio interviews are needed. The first 3 years has given him a viable product to sell (which is something he didn't have during the initial negotiations)

I can't believe you're so simple to harp on his salary, which is split 12 ways.

Nobody else gives a ****

(05-31-2016 11:21 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(05-31-2016 09:08 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(05-31-2016 08:25 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  The next TV deal is where he's gonna show if he's worth what he's being paid or not.

Not if the AAC loses two members before going to the negotiations table.

Doesn't matter whether that happens or not. If he can't get better revenue than the last deal then he's not worth what he's paid. Doesn't mean he's an awful commish but he's making P5 level commish money. This next deal determines whether that money was a complete waste or if he's really as smart as everyone wants to believe he is.

Even if you're ECU... Now is not the time to go cheap. Be it in basketball or on a commish.
None of us signed up to be dragged down to ECU levels.

(05-31-2016 11:26 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(05-31-2016 09:45 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  \Accepting the obvious ESPN offer at less than 10% of a P5. Doing radio interviews and promoting the brand. Signing on to crap bowls. That's chess?

We've actually done pretty well with the bowls given the circumstances. When you consider our #6 played the MWC champion, what more do you want him to do?

That "obvious" ESPN offer got us more coverage than Tulane has ever seen.

I think chess is an apt term. For a startup, the AAC has already proven its relevancy. You bet those radio interviews are needed. The first 3 years has given him a viable product to sell (which is something he didn't have during the initial negotiations)

I can't believe you're so simple to harp on his salary, which is split 12 ways.

Nobody else gives a ****

My god where to begin. Tulane has nothing to do with the argument at hand.

Getting a crap deal from NBC and having ESPN match is nothing special. ESPN needed content and its clear now they got an absolute steal.

The fact that it is split 12 ways is the most absurd argument of all. Remember there is a ton of other folks on the AAC payroll as well, but who cares its split.

MWC commsih makes $600k, Aresco makes double.

I guess I am biased but you look at the AAC markets, brands, budgets and asset investments....they blow away the MWC and the AAC deserves much much better. Everyone knows the brands in this league, MWC not so much. Even our worst school, Tulane, is known by every sports fan.....Utah State, San Jose State, Wyoming, Nevada....no thanks.

Again, the point is he gets paid P5 money and though he hustles and markets the conference well, the money just doesn't add up, it's really that simple. It was a tough negotiation but he had options and is paid to understand the market.

Our bowls stink. Maybe that's just the reality for us, but again you don't pay a guy $1mm+ for those results.

As for another poster saying "what do expect $20mm per school". Jeez, not $20 per school but also not $20 total.

Agree to disagree, one guy getting half of what each school gets paid just doesn't add up. So I guess the commish of the SEC deserves $13mm+?

(05-31-2016 11:18 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I think there are a few things we can do on the bowl front---but I wouldn't expect too much.

1) We can upgrade both the payout and time slot for the Miami Bowl so that it becomes attractive enough to sign a P5 opponent. The best case scenario is to get it included in the same bowl pool as the Texas and Liberty Bowls (#3-#5 selections from a P5 conference).

2) Get a full time ACC commitment for the St Pete Bowl.

3) Get a full time tie to the Armed Forces Bowl

4) Get a tie in to the Indy Bowl (adds another P5 bowl).

5) Add the NOLA Bowl as a full time lower level Bowl in place of Hawaii/Bahamas slots.

New Line Up--

Miami-vs #3-5 P5
Military vs ACC #7
St Pete vs ACC
Birmingham vs SEC
Ft Worth vs B12/B10
Indy vs SEC
NOLA vs SB Champ
Boca vs CUSA

Not great, but at least all the bowls are in our footprint and 6 of 8 are against P5 opponents (7 of 9 in years where we win the access bowl slot). One of the remaining bowls is against a conference champ. That a pretty challenging post season for us.

Add four western schools, including Air Force, and affiliate with Army and BYU for bowls. This is what the expanded AAC could do:

#1 - Cotton/Peach/Fiesta vs NY6 [most years]*

Tier 1
#2/3 - Liberty vs #5 B12 OR #6-8 SEC
#2/3 - Las Vegas vs #5-6 PAC

Tier 2
#4/5/6/7 - Military vs ACC #7-9
#4/5/6/7 - St Pete vs ACC #7-9
#4/5/6/7 - Armed Forces vs B12 #7 OR B1G# 9-10
#4/5/6/7 - Birmingham vs SEC #9

Tier 3
#8/9 - Miami Beach/NOLA vs CUSA Champ
#8/9 - Poinsettia/Hawaii vs MWC #2 [CUSA backup]

Tier 4
#10/11/12 - NOLA/Miami Beach vs SB [CUSA backup]
#10/11/12 - Hawaii/Poinsettia vs MWC #3/4 [CUSA backup]
#10/11/12 - Boca vs CUSA/MAC [SB backup]

* BYU and Army ineligible for AAC's NY6 bid. Limitations to bowls during 6-year cycle. For instance, BYU in Las Vegas Bowl and Army in Military bowl no more than twice in 6 years.

7 bowls against P5 opponents from all P5 conferences.

Bowls called "Liberty" and "Military" and "Armed Forces" fit in perfectly with the AMERICAN brand and the three military academies. Also, nationwide bowl games from Maryland to Florida to Texas to California.