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(05-31-2016 11:21 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  That's fine, if it was just going to be an agriculture college. But since it was also set up as the public university, it would seem that it should've been in Anchorage from the start.

But I guess the New England public flagships did the same thing. All six of them are out in the country. Though I'm not sure if Vermont, New Hampshire or Maine had (or even have, to this day) much of an urban center.

It was an agriculture and mining school that evolved into that role of the public since they already had infrastructure in place.

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(05-31-2016 11:21 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  That's fine, if it was just going to be an agriculture college. But since it was also set up as the public university, it would seem that it should've been in Anchorage from the start.

But I guess the New England public flagships did the same thing. All six of them are out in the country. Though I'm not sure if Vermont, New Hampshire or Maine had (or even have, to this day) much of an urban center.

This isn't uncommon. The University of Michigan is in Ann Arbor; Michigan State didn't come along until much later. In fact, most of the Big Ten is located outside state capitals and major population centers.
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(05-31-2016 11:21 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  That's fine, if it was just going to be an agriculture college. But since it was also set up as the public university, it would seem that it should've been in Anchorage from the start.

But I guess the New England public flagships did the same thing. All six of them are out in the country. Though I'm not sure if Vermont, New Hampshire or Maine had (or even have, to this day) much of an urban center.

Burlington and Portland certainly count and Portland is not terribly far from Boston, though not close by New England standards and not enough to be considered even in the CSA. The same with Manchester, which is even closer to Boston and technically in its CSA.

The reason most of these schools are in rural locations and small towns is because it was idealized by the Founding Fathers that major universities be located on the countryside away from the masses, the educated urbaners and politics of the city. This is why Thomas Jefferson, the founder of the University of Virginia, saw to it that his school was in a place (Charlottesville) that had little outside influence and even today, UVA is in a lightly populated city and among the most isolated major universities in the country, certainly among the P5 schools. Ironically, Fairbanks is in an isolated location but among the most urban places in its state.
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ark st, you are correct. It started as an agriculture college, around a federal agriculture research station.

I was thinking the state used the federal land-grant to establish the first public university, from scratch. I didn't realize how late in the game Alaska received statehood. Doh!


Anyway ... the idea that UAF would be turned into a two-year college is practically preposterous. It'd be fought tooth-and-nail and be defeated. That's politics.
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By the way, my last post was to you MLPSBison and I edited it to reflect that.
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(05-30-2016 09:44 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Regardless, Fairbanks is nothing to Alaska in a post-oil world. No reason for it to have the state's flagship public university. It can have a two-year college and an agriculture extension station.

UAF has over 10,000 students. LOL at making a 10,000 student university into a 2 year college.
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Schad & C2, good insights thanks.

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10k students want to be in Fairbanks?? I doubt it. Anchorage would be a much more desirable location for a lot of them, if Anchorage had the four year and grad programs in which they were enrolled.
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(05-31-2016 01:14 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(05-30-2016 09:44 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Regardless, Fairbanks is nothing to Alaska in a post-oil world. No reason for it to have the state's flagship public university. It can have a two-year college and an agriculture extension station.

UAF has over 10,000 students. LOL at making a 10,000 student university into a 2 year college.

It's not too laughable based on a quick search of the Houston area. According to USN&WR, Houston Community College has an enrollment of 57,978 . The Lone Star College campuses have an enrollment of 64,072. Blinn College has an enrollment of 18,561. That's three just in the greater Houston area. http://www.usnews.com/education/communit...ston%2C+TX

Quick searches of other areas also showed numerous community colleges with enrollment greater than 10,000. Using the same source, the Los Angeles area lists 36 colleges meeting the criteria. The list would get really long, but it appears that a community or junior college with enrollment greater than 10,000 is fairly common.

I have to admit that I was surprised at the number of students some of the Junior/Community Colleges have. I knew about HCC, Lone Star, and Blinn, but had never checked other parts of the country. A lot of the students go on to get bachelors degrees at four year universities and colleges. For example, Lamar and Lone Star just announced a partnership. http://www.lonestar.edu/news/27047.htm The new Lamar/Lone Star agreement is one of many for Lone Star. http://www.lonestar.edu/academic-programs-transfer.htm Blinn and Texas A&M also have a partnership. http://blinnteam.tamu.edu/
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The level of education and size of a school are mutually exclusive. USC has 30k+ or so I remember. USC is a private school.
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(05-31-2016 02:34 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Schad & C2, good insights thanks.

Bulls,

10k students want to be in Fairbanks?? I doubt it. Anchorage would be a much more desirable location for a lot of them, if Anchorage had the four year and grad programs in which they were enrolled.

A lot of them probably want to be in Fairbanks, which is basically tied with Juneau as the second largest "city" in Alaska (Anchorage is the only true city in AK with over 300,000 people). I wonder how many of these students come from small villages where Fairbanks is considered the big city.

The UA Anchorage campus has 20,000 students, Fairbanks campus 10,000, and Juneau campus 4,000.
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(05-31-2016 11:21 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  That's fine, if it was just going to be an agriculture college. But since it was also set up as the public university, it would seem that it should've been in Anchorage from the start.

But I guess the New England public flagships did the same thing. All six of them are out in the country. Though I'm not sure if Vermont, New Hampshire or Maine had (or even have, to this day) much of an urban center.

Anchorage didn't become a city until 1920.
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I want to back up.

Part of the debate is going with a single accreditation. Happened to have a chance to talk a university system president today and mentioned the UAlaska situation of folding all the accreditation under one school to save money. He said there isn't much savings to doing that and wondered if something internal was at play.
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(05-31-2016 04:01 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I want to back up.

Part of the debate is going with a single accreditation. Happened to have a chance to talk a university system president today and mentioned the UAlaska situation of folding all the accreditation under one school to save money. He said there isn't much savings to doing that and wondered if something internal was at play.

That is what this is about, putting 3 schools into 1 single accredited institution. I'm pretty sure, there would be savings because to maintain 3 locations is more expensive than 1 location and having 1 athletic program instead of 2 would be even more savings because to fly 1 program instead of 2 would basically cut the total cost in half in addition to any travel subs they are paying out for 2 Alaska teams.
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(05-31-2016 04:09 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(05-31-2016 04:01 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I want to back up.

Part of the debate is going with a single accreditation. Happened to have a chance to talk a university system president today and mentioned the UAlaska situation of folding all the accreditation under one school to save money. He said there isn't much savings to doing that and wondered if something internal was at play.

That is what this is about, putting 3 schools into 1 single accredited institution. I'm pretty sure, there would be savings because to maintain 3 locations is more expensive than 1 location and having 1 athletic program instead of 2 would be even more savings because to fly 1 program instead of 2 would basically cut the total cost in half in addition to any travel subs they are paying out for 2 Alaska teams.

While I concede that having one athletic department is going to have savings, the plan as I read it was that Fairbanks and Anchorage would each get part of the athletic department so some of the savings is lost by having to duplicate some degree of services at each (still need counselors at each site, still need people to oversee supplies). The campuses all remain open so other than cutting a few administrative spots (or in some cases downgrading them from Vice-President to Associate Vice-President positions) will save some but you still have to have faculty at both places, still have to heat and cool the same number of buildings.
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(05-31-2016 11:21 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  That's fine, if it was just going to be an agriculture college. But since it was also set up as the public university, it would seem that it should've been in Anchorage from the start.

But I guess the New England public flagships did the same thing. All six of them are out in the country. Though I'm not sure if Vermont, New Hampshire or Maine had (or even have, to this day) much of an urban center.

Burlington and Portland certainly count and Portland is not terribly far from Boston, though not close by New England standards and not enough to be considered even in the CSA. The same with Manchester, which is even closer to Boston and technically in its CSA.

The reason most of these schools are in rural locations and small towns is because it was idealized by the Founding Fathers that major universities be located on the countryside away from the masses, the educated urbaners and politics of the city. This is why Thomas Jefferson, the founder of the University of Virginia, saw to it that his school was in a place (Charlottesville) that had little outside influence and even today, UVA is in a lightly populated city and among the most isolated major universities in the country, certainly among the P5 schools. Ironically, Fairbanks is in an isolated location but among the most urban places in its state.

Yes, this used to be the ideal. The idea was that the peace and quite of nature would enhance the educational process.

Even many of today's urban campuses originally started out on the very edges of their respective cities in what were then rural or far out suburban areas. In Ohio alone, Ohio State and CWRU both followed this model, and Cincinnati was similar in that it was located in a large urban park (although since then the campus has enlarged and today the majority of the original park is part of the campus).
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Many of the A&M's and land grants are like that, intentionally created on the countryside to teach agriculture. Both Texas A&M and Prairie View A&M, the HBCU answer, were started all the way out literally in the middle of nowhere. PV is still basically there, as it's plainly obvious town wouldn't exist without the school and for years you could pass it on the freeway without knowing it was there.
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UA-Anchorage and UA-Fairbanks (especially Anchorage) would be wise to go to the WAC. I know they are far away from the rest of the schools, but Anchorage and Fairbanks have a lot of media coverage in the state, especially Anchorage, as their men's and women's basketball games are televised throughout the state on cable.

Fairbanks made it far in one of the D2 tournaments this year as well. Anchorage moving to the WAC would elevate the Great Alaska Shootout. That is why that tournament has gone downhill over the past few years. Teams don't want to play a non-D1 opponent, and potentially lose.
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Unless it's Chaminade if for no other reason to visit Maui.
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Maybe they're literally referring to saving money from not having to pay for accrediting three times.
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(05-31-2016 04:31 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(05-31-2016 12:12 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(05-31-2016 11:21 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  That's fine, if it was just going to be an agriculture college. But since it was also set up as the public university, it would seem that it should've been in Anchorage from the start.

But I guess the New England public flagships did the same thing. All six of them are out in the country. Though I'm not sure if Vermont, New Hampshire or Maine had (or even have, to this day) much of an urban center.

Burlington and Portland certainly count and Portland is not terribly far from Boston, though not close by New England standards and not enough to be considered even in the CSA. The same with Manchester, which is even closer to Boston and technically in its CSA.

The reason most of these schools are in rural locations and small towns is because it was idealized by the Founding Fathers that major universities be located on the countryside away from the masses, the educated urbaners and politics of the city. This is why Thomas Jefferson, the founder of the University of Virginia, saw to it that his school was in a place (Charlottesville) that had little outside influence and even today, UVA is in a lightly populated city and among the most isolated major universities in the country, certainly among the P5 schools. Ironically, Fairbanks is in an isolated location but among the most urban places in its state.

Yes, this used to be the ideal. The idea was that the peace and quite of nature would enhance the educational process.

Even many of today's urban campuses originally started out on the very edges of their respective cities in what were then rural or far out suburban areas. In Ohio alone, Ohio State and CWRU both followed this model, and Cincinnati was similar in that it was located in a large urban park (although since then the campus has enlarged and today the majority of the original park is part of the campus).

...and NYU started out as a quaint gathering of rural buildings in downtown Manhattan.

(Your point is probably right and is very valid. I'm just messing with you.)
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