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RE: WV Gazette: "...no question Big 12 moving in direction of expansion"
Lots of unintended humor in this thread.
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RE: WV Gazette: "...no question Big 12 moving in direction of expansion"
(05-25-2016 09:01 PM)rosewater Wrote:  
(05-25-2016 08:17 PM)Flying Bearcat Wrote:  
(05-25-2016 07:02 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(05-25-2016 05:24 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(05-25-2016 01:49 PM)Bull Wrote:  If they are agonizing this much about going to 12... I would really doubt they would consider going to 14...

That said, don't sleep on Florida if they go to 14. Going to 14 would mean they are actually building a conference for the long-term, not just affixing a Band-Aid (adding 2) until Tx and Ok leave...

Don't think they will spend much time "agonizing" over expansion numbers until the come to a conclusion to how to reimburse Texas for turning their OWN channel LHN into the Big 12 Network. (Hint: It will cost the conf more than the $15 Million per year Texas is getting now from ESPN).

Until that matter is ever finalized...zero need to discuss adding 2 or 4 more teams...because a Big 12 Network is really the ONLY reason why expansion will happen in the first place.

If what I heard was right, B12 got the prelim network numbers months ago. Showed it works with 12 or 14. BVH is confirming. They prefer 14. They haven't decided on 13 and 14, and network contracts will take months to untangle. But right now, that's the plan. It's a lot farther along than most think. Maybe they figure it out next week or soon after, or maybe they take 6 more months. Or maybe they announce 11 and 12, and figure out the rest later. But I think they will do something, one way or the other. Eventually, lol. It's sorta likes watching tortoises mate.

What does BVH stand for? Thanks ahead of time.

BVH is an abbreviation for the group that is handling the study on the television numbers(second opinion). Bevaqua etc...

Right. Bevilacqua Helfant Ventures. They worked on the Big East TV contract (I think the one that was never accepted), as well as the Pac 12 contract, which, at the time, set records.

The prelim numbers were run by ESPN, who is motivated to get out from under the LHN contract.
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RE: WV Gazette: "...no question Big 12 moving in direction of expansion"
(05-25-2016 09:19 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(05-25-2016 04:45 PM)Groo Wrote:  
(05-25-2016 01:42 PM)Kronke Wrote:  I doubt anyone has less pull in Big 12 expansion than KU.

Oh, I don't know. I put their influence miles ahead of UH's.

I sincerely doubt it. When was the last time KU won a game?

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If the Big 12 puts their egos aside, does the right thing, and allows us back in with our peer institutions (whom we've been conference mates and rivals with longer than KU), we'll show you what a real football team looks like.


Your doubt has nothing to do with facts. Tillman Frittata can't even get seafood right but keep hanging your hopes on him.
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RE: WV Gazette: "...no question Big 12 moving in direction of expansion"
(05-25-2016 10:36 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Right. Bevilacqua Helfant Ventures. They worked on the Big East TV contract (I think the one that was never accepted), as well as the Pac 12 contract, which, at the time, set records.

(Chris) Bevilacqua has had some hits and misses lately.

They "missed" on getting the Big East TV Deal done with ESPN back in 2012 and their "selling" of the Pac-12 TV Network has been a total failure.

They got a "hit" when they were able to secure the Pac-12 Conf TV Contract a few years ago.

Maybe with that sketchy record is why the AAC also reached out to Navigate Research out of Chicago...which also presented data at the recent Big 12 AD Meetings and will do again at the Big 12 President Conf next week (along with Bevilacqua).
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RE: WV Gazette: "...no question Big 12 moving in direction of expansion"
(05-26-2016 05:02 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(05-25-2016 10:36 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Right. Bevilacqua Helfant Ventures. They worked on the Big East TV contract (I think the one that was never accepted), as well as the Pac 12 contract, which, at the time, set records.

(Chris) Bevilacqua has had some hits and misses lately.

They "missed" on getting the Big East TV Deal done with ESPN back in 2012 and their "selling" of the Pac-12 TV Network has been a total failure.

They got a "hit" when they were able to secure the Pac-12 Conf TV Contract a few years ago.

Maybe with that sketchy record is why the AAC also reached out to Navigate Research out of Chicago...which also presented data at the recent Big 12 AD Meetings and will do again at the Big 12 President Conf next week (along with Bevilacqua).

Navigate and Bevilacqua are doing 2 different things. Navigate ran data on the odds of making the CFP with various configurations, how schedules and divisions would work with 10, 12, 14 and 16 teams, etc.

BVH is running the conference network numbers in various configurations of 10, 12, 14, 16 with different teams. Not sure Navigate is presenting again, but it doesn't matter. They are not looking at the same things.

As for BVH failing with the Big East, all the teams left, and that killed the contract, lol. BVH got record numbers for the Pac 12 TV contract for Tiers 1 and 2, at the time. The fact that the Pac 12 is having trouble finding a TV partner now for its Tier 3 conference network has nothing to do with BVH, afaik. Again, not sure why it matters. They are running numbers this time, not negotiating a contract.
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RE: WV Gazette: "...no question Big 12 moving in direction of expansion"
(05-23-2016 07:29 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(05-22-2016 11:58 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  If the Big 12 moves forward on a league network, a source said, Connecticut is a “must.” If the league gives up on a network, a school like Memphis is back in the picture.

That's the sole reason for expansion...as without expansion, I don't see Big 12 expanding by sharing same current TV contract $$$ with more members..as the Big 12 tv deal doesn't end till 2024.

The big reason is that Oklahoma believes it is leaving money at the table. So, if there's no expansion, then Oklahoma will look to leave.
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RE: WV Gazette: "...no question Big 12 moving in direction of expansion"
(05-26-2016 05:02 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(05-25-2016 10:36 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Right. Bevilacqua Helfant Ventures. They worked on the Big East TV contract (I think the one that was never accepted), as well as the Pac 12 contract, which, at the time, set records.

(Chris) Bevilacqua has had some hits and misses lately.

They "missed" on getting the Big East TV Deal done with ESPN back in 2012 and their "selling" of the Pac-12 TV Network has been a total failure.

They got a "hit" when they were able to secure the Pac-12 Conf TV Contract a few years ago.

Maybe with that sketchy record is why the AAC also reached out to Navigate Research out of Chicago...which also presented data at the recent Big 12 AD Meetings and will do again at the Big 12 President Conf next week (along with Bevilacqua).

I'm not sure if you're referring to the BE 2011 contract or the post-Pitt and Syracuse contract. Im assuming 2011 because the contract actually stayed the same following Pitt and Syracuse leaving.

But Bevilaqua had no failing there. The BE contract ramped up from $7m per year to $13m. The ACC was offering $18m.

I don't think Navigate and Bevilaqua are competing firms. They do 2 totally different things.
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RE: WV Gazette: "...no question Big 12 moving in direction of expansion"
(05-26-2016 08:17 AM)upstater1 Wrote:  
(05-26-2016 05:02 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(05-25-2016 10:36 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Right. Bevilacqua Helfant Ventures. They worked on the Big East TV contract (I think the one that was never accepted), as well as the Pac 12 contract, which, at the time, set records.

(Chris) Bevilacqua has had some hits and misses lately.

They "missed" on getting the Big East TV Deal done with ESPN back in 2012 and their "selling" of the Pac-12 TV Network has been a total failure.

They got a "hit" when they were able to secure the Pac-12 Conf TV Contract a few years ago.

Maybe with that sketchy record is why the AAC also reached out to Navigate Research out of Chicago...which also presented data at the recent Big 12 AD Meetings and will do again at the Big 12 President Conf next week (along with Bevilacqua).

I'm not sure if you're referring to the BE 2011 contract or the post-Pitt and Syracuse contract. Im assuming 2011 because the contract actually stayed the same following Pitt and Syracuse leaving.

But Bevilaqua had no failing there. The BE contract ramped up from $7m per year to $13m. The ACC was offering $18m.

I don't think Navigate and Bevilaqua are competing firms. They do 2 totally different things.

Wasn't Pitt's chancellor responsible for turning down that $13m per team deal so that the BE could go to open market all the while knowing his school was headed to the ACC?
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RE: WV Gazette: "...no question Big 12 moving in direction of expansion"
(05-26-2016 08:17 AM)upstater1 Wrote:  
(05-26-2016 05:02 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(05-25-2016 10:36 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Right. Bevilacqua Helfant Ventures. They worked on the Big East TV contract (I think the one that was never accepted), as well as the Pac 12 contract, which, at the time, set records.

(Chris) Bevilacqua has had some hits and misses lately.

They "missed" on getting the Big East TV Deal done with ESPN back in 2012 and their "selling" of the Pac-12 TV Network has been a total failure.

They got a "hit" when they were able to secure the Pac-12 Conf TV Contract a few years ago.

Maybe with that sketchy record is why the AAC also reached out to Navigate Research out of Chicago...which also presented data at the recent Big 12 AD Meetings and will do again at the Big 12 President Conf next week (along with Bevilacqua).

I'm not sure if you're referring to the BE 2011 contract or the post-Pitt and Syracuse contract. Im assuming 2011 because the contract actually stayed the same following Pitt and Syracuse leaving.

But Bevilaqua had no failing there. The BE contract ramped up from $7m per year to $13m. The ACC was offering $18m.

I don't think Navigate and Bevilaqua are competing firms. They do 2 totally different things.

After Pitt and Cuse left the 6 remaining football schools + the basketball schools we're still offered the 13 million per team? I haven't heard this.
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RE: WV Gazette: "...no question Big 12 moving in direction of expansion"
(05-26-2016 09:17 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-26-2016 08:17 AM)upstater1 Wrote:  
(05-26-2016 05:02 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(05-25-2016 10:36 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Right. Bevilacqua Helfant Ventures. They worked on the Big East TV contract (I think the one that was never accepted), as well as the Pac 12 contract, which, at the time, set records.

(Chris) Bevilacqua has had some hits and misses lately.

They "missed" on getting the Big East TV Deal done with ESPN back in 2012 and their "selling" of the Pac-12 TV Network has been a total failure.

They got a "hit" when they were able to secure the Pac-12 Conf TV Contract a few years ago.

Maybe with that sketchy record is why the AAC also reached out to Navigate Research out of Chicago...which also presented data at the recent Big 12 AD Meetings and will do again at the Big 12 President Conf next week (along with Bevilacqua).

I'm not sure if you're referring to the BE 2011 contract or the post-Pitt and Syracuse contract. Im assuming 2011 because the contract actually stayed the same following Pitt and Syracuse leaving.

But Bevilaqua had no failing there. The BE contract ramped up from $7m per year to $13m. The ACC was offering $18m.

I don't think Navigate and Bevilaqua are competing firms. They do 2 totally different things.

After Pitt and Cuse left the 6 remaining football schools + the basketball schools we're still offered the 13 million per team? I haven't heard this.
Cheers!

It was offered with ucf as #10 with tcu, Louisville, WVU, etc. Espn was definitely in UCF corner.
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RE: WV Gazette: "...no question Big 12 moving in direction of expansion"
From a tactical point of view it would behoove the Big 12 not to get into the extreme Northeast and UConn is the way for them to do it and they know it
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I think they try for three BYU cinci and UConn
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(05-26-2016 12:27 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  From a tactical point of view it would behoove the Big 12 not to get into the extreme Northeast and UConn is the way for them to do it and they know it

Care to explain?
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(05-26-2016 12:29 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  
(05-26-2016 12:27 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  From a tactical point of view it would behoove the Big 12 not to get into the extreme Northeast and UConn is the way for them to do it and they know it

Care to explain?

LOL
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RE: WV Gazette: "...no question Big 12 moving in direction of expansion"
(05-26-2016 12:29 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  
(05-26-2016 12:27 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  From a tactical point of view it would behoove the Big 12 not to get into the extreme Northeast and UConn is the way for them to do it and they know it

Care to explain?

Simple...he's a BC fan!
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