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RE: Miller: Why not change C-USA basketball tourney format?
(05-26-2016 10:37 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  16 teams is more than a conference its 4 regions of four teams. Imagine four regional tournaments with one each in Wichita, UTEP, UAB, Atlanta. ( Packed arenas/gyms and passion for TV viewers to see.

Then our regional champions square off in either Memphis, New Orleans, Nashville or Orlando to crown our conference champion.

You really want to get an entire conference tournament in one weekend done using 5 locations? It'd never work..

let's just say you did have the 16 (and I picked the top 4 teams at random)...

Day 1/2: @El Paso (1,16, 7 8) , @Marshall (2, 15, 6, 9) @Birmingham (3,14, 7,10) @Boca Raton (4,13, 5, 12)

Okay, you can get through day 2...

Now you want the teams and HOPEFULLY the fanbase to now travel to an entirely different location in one day.. so say (and just picking at random.. from UTEP (@host1) to Orlando for day 3/4? Dont' forget this is conference tournament, not a long drawn out March madness tournament.
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RE: Miller: Why not change C-USA basketball tourney format?
(05-27-2016 03:10 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  
(05-26-2016 10:37 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  16 teams is more than a conference its 4 regions of four teams. Imagine four regional tournaments with one each in Wichita, UTEP, UAB, Atlanta. ( Packed arenas/gyms and passion for TV viewers to see.

Then our regional champions square off in either Memphis, New Orleans, Nashville or Orlando to crown our conference champion.

You really want to get an entire conference tournament in one weekend done using 5 locations? It'd never work..

let's just say you did have the 16 (and I picked the top 4 teams at random)...

Day 1/2: @El Paso (1,16, 7 8) , @Marshall (2, 15, 6, 9) @Birmingham (3,14, 7,10) @Boca Raton (4,13, 5, 12)

Okay, you can get through day 2...

Now you want the teams and HOPEFULLY the fanbase to now travel to an entirely different location in one day.. so say (and just picking at random.. from UTEP (@host1) to Orlando for day 3/4? Dont' forget this is conference tournament, not a long drawn out March madness tournament.

Four Regionals played on one week end Thur-Sat (in two locations) & Fri - Sun in two locations. Then one week later the four winners play (Fri with Championship game on Sun) at either Memphis, Nashville, New Orleans or Orlando for the conference championship. Sorta like advancing through March Madness.
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RE: Miller: Why not change C-USA basketball tourney format?
(05-27-2016 12:36 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(05-23-2016 03:38 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  Anything suggested will have some drawbacks, and I believe you are on the right track by thinking outside the box to make it better. I do remember when C-USA 1.0 had Cincy, Charlotte, Louisville, Marquette in one division, and Memphis and a bunch of people that lost to Memphis in the other. That would make for a fairly uneven, and perhaps unfair, path to the Championship under your scenario. I do not have a better idea though.

Memphis was never that dominant, at least in the first version of C-USA. UAB was as good as Memphis during that era or just a notch below at worst. Clyde Drexler the coach was undefeated in Memphis.
Granted, it has been a long time ago and my recall is fuzzy, but at one point in CUSA 1.0 we had three divisions--Red, White, and Blue. Then we went to two divisions, and I believe there was a year that Memphis won theirs and did not get an NCAA at-large. Cal, showing what he is made of as usual, publically commenting that Memphis should have gotten into the NCAAs instead of Charlotte because they had a better record. Which was true. But, we played all the tough teams, he played the easier teams, and we split our two games with the Tigers that year as I recall. My point is that divisions can easily become unbalanced over a couple of years and that can bring its own set of hurdles. The law of unintended consequences is always lurking.
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RE: Miller: Why not change C-USA basketball tourney format?
Memphis was mediocre before cal and his crooked ways arrived. Plus they were not that big a draw and they fans didn't travel like they claim. They sold their soul to the devil and we're lucky they only had a slap on the wrist. Yea they showed up like termites out of the Woodwork after they started winning consistently.
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RE: Miller: Why not change C-USA basketball tourney format?
Noticed this tweet about our basketball tournament:

Matt Sarzyniak ‏@mattsarz · 16h16 hours ago

C-USA will cut the tourney back to 12 schools.
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RE: Miller: Why not change C-USA basketball tourney format?
If that's true I didn't think they'd actually do that.
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(06-08-2016 08:19 AM)Cr8n Wrote:  If that's true I didn't think they'd actually do that.

If true it would save a bit on travel as 2 schools would not go. Also an easier process with top 4 seeds getting first round bye and the other 8 play each other in first round. 4 days of basketball.
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RE: Miller: Why not change C-USA basketball tourney format?
Next cut it down to 8 next season...
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RE: Miller: Why not change C-USA basketball tourney format?
Going to East/West Divisions ?

https://twitter.com/Stephens_Brad/status...0865399808

UAB in West
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RE: Miller: Why not change C-USA basketball tourney format?
(06-08-2016 08:00 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Noticed this tweet about our basketball tournament:

Matt Sarzyniak ‏@mattsarz · 16h16 hours ago

C-USA will cut the tourney back to 12 schools.

Good.. that's something that was needed.
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RE: Miller: Why not change C-USA basketball tourney format?
(05-31-2016 10:27 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  
(05-27-2016 12:36 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(05-23-2016 03:38 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  Anything suggested will have some drawbacks, and I believe you are on the right track by thinking outside the box to make it better. I do remember when C-USA 1.0 had Cincy, Charlotte, Louisville, Marquette in one division, and Memphis and a bunch of people that lost to Memphis in the other. That would make for a fairly uneven, and perhaps unfair, path to the Championship under your scenario. I do not have a better idea though.

Memphis was never that dominant, at least in the first version of C-USA. UAB was as good as Memphis during that era or just a notch below at worst. Clyde Drexler the coach was undefeated in Memphis.
Granted, it has been a long time ago and my recall is fuzzy, but at one point in CUSA 1.0 we had three divisions--Red, White, and Blue. Then we went to two divisions, and I believe there was a year that Memphis won theirs and did not get an NCAA at-large. Cal, showing what he is made of as usual, publically commenting that Memphis should have gotten into the NCAAs instead of Charlotte because they had a better record. Which was true. But, we played all the tough teams, he played the easier teams, and we split our two games with the Tigers that year as I recall. My point is that divisions can easily become unbalanced over a couple of years and that can bring its own set of hurdles. The law of unintended consequences is always lurking.

The only division winner that didn't make the NCAA tournament was USM. I don't recall Memphis ever winning the division and not getting in.
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RE: Miller: Why not change C-USA basketball tourney format?
(06-08-2016 01:02 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  Going to East/West Divisions ?

https://twitter.com/Stephens_Brad/status...0865399808

UAB in West

If basketball goes to division play, beyond playing your six division mates twice for 12 games, I assume you would also play each of the other division schools once for 7 games, right? That would be 19 games. Maybe there is some travel savings but other than that, I don't see a lot of benefit.
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LA Tech fans are not happy about this little stat.

https://twitter.com/LaTechReport/status/...6846606336


We're hearing the term "CUAB" being used more and more for CUSA.
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Football shouldn't count as that is earned by on the field performance. If any other sports is the same then it should not be included either.

That would give an even better indication of the championship games being AWARDED.
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