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(05-23-2016 12:50 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  We don't have a 'ton of commuters'. We haven't been a commuter school in close to a decade. Demand for on-campus housing exceeds supply. We just built the most expensive dorm in the country and it's still not enough.

I have no idea what Fishpro is talking about, but we need the stadium.

Well 30,000 (81%) of students live off-campus and 7,000 (19%) of students live on Temple owned housing. Now of course many live close to campus but um well that's a ton of commuters still. I know people try to avoid that label like the plague. Interestingly UCF and USF have about the same breakdown.
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(05-23-2016 01:01 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  
(05-23-2016 12:50 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  We don't have a 'ton of commuters'. We haven't been a commuter school in close to a decade. Demand for on-campus housing exceeds supply. We just built the most expensive dorm in the country and it's still not enough.

I have no idea what Fishpro is talking about, but we need the stadium.

Well 30,000 (81%) of students live off-campus and 7,000 (19%) of students live on Temple owned housing. Now of course many live close to campus but um well that's a ton of commuters still. I know people try to avoid that label like the plague. Interestingly UCF and USF have about the same breakdown.

Um, because Philly is a major city and students live in different neighborhoods around the city. That doesn't mean they're living at home, driving or taking the subway to class and going home like a commuter traditionally means.

My brother lived in a house off campus when he was at Penn. Just because it's an elite private school and Temple isn't doesn't mean someone who does the same at Temple is a commuter.
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(05-23-2016 01:01 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  
(05-23-2016 12:50 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  We don't have a 'ton of commuters'. We haven't been a commuter school in close to a decade. Demand for on-campus housing exceeds supply. We just built the most expensive dorm in the country and it's still not enough.

I have no idea what Fishpro is talking about, but we need the stadium.

Well 30,000 (81%) of students live off-campus and 7,000 (19%) of students live on Temple owned housing. Now of course many live close to campus but um well that's a ton of commuters still. I know people try to avoid that label like the plague. Interestingly UCF and USF have about the same breakdown.

I think the common perception when someone hears the term commuter school they picture kids living at home, driving in for class, then back home again, there needs to be a definition of the term commuter. What distance does a student need to travel to be defined as a commuter, 5 blocks, 1 miles, 5 miles? The View at Montgomery is classified as off campus housing with close to 1000 students in residence, yet it’s actually located on a plot of land on Temple’s campus that the university doesn’t own. These kids are considered commuters and they are closer to class than some of the students in Temple housing.

On Temple’s website they list 8 different apartment complex developments that are adjacent to the campus not to mentions the hundreds of locally owned brownstones and multi-unit apartments for rent through private management companies that all just blocks off campus. All these kids fall into the category of commuters. I guess technically they are, but do they live close enough to campus that they could walk to an event on campus? I would think so.
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(05-23-2016 01:58 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  
(05-23-2016 01:01 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  
(05-23-2016 12:50 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  We don't have a 'ton of commuters'. We haven't been a commuter school in close to a decade. Demand for on-campus housing exceeds supply. We just built the most expensive dorm in the country and it's still not enough.

I have no idea what Fishpro is talking about, but we need the stadium.

Well 30,000 (81%) of students live off-campus and 7,000 (19%) of students live on Temple owned housing. Now of course many live close to campus but um well that's a ton of commuters still. I know people try to avoid that label like the plague. Interestingly UCF and USF have about the same breakdown.

Um, because Philly is a major city and students live in different neighborhoods around the city. That doesn't mean they're living at home, driving or taking the subway to class and going home like a commuter traditionally means.

My brother lived in a house off campus when he was at Penn. Just because it's an elite private school and Temple isn't doesn't mean someone who does the same at Temple is a commuter.

There it is, commuter references absolutely infuriate people. How's this, you are not a true commuter school but do have a local of locally born residents attending your school and not living on campus. It goes with the territory of state school in a populated area. The point being there has to be a decent amount of parking for them, even in a dense city. Thise spaces will be vacant on Saturdays.

Penn is at 35% and BU at 75%. For a better comps: Cinci is at 25%, Georgia State is at 17%, UCLA 43%, UT Dallas 29%, George Washington Univ 63%, University of Illinois-Chicago, 17%, Temple 19%, UCF 18%, USF, 18%......
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(05-23-2016 01:58 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  
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(05-23-2016 12:50 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  We don't have a 'ton of commuters'. We haven't been a commuter school in close to a decade. Demand for on-campus housing exceeds supply. We just built the most expensive dorm in the country and it's still not enough.

I have no idea what Fishpro is talking about, but we need the stadium.

Well 30,000 (81%) of students live off-campus and 7,000 (19%) of students live on Temple owned housing. Now of course many live close to campus but um well that's a ton of commuters still. I know people try to avoid that label like the plague. Interestingly UCF and USF have about the same breakdown.

Um, because Philly is a major city and students live in different neighborhoods around the city. That doesn't mean they're living at home, driving or taking the subway to class and going home like a commuter traditionally means.

My brother lived in a house off campus when he was at Penn. Just because it's an elite private school and Temple isn't doesn't mean someone who does the same at Temple is a commuter.
Unless you are a private school most students will live off campus especially a huge publics, even if they are P5.

Georgia 72% off campus
Penn State 65% off campus
Texas 81% off campus
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(05-23-2016 02:15 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  
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(05-23-2016 12:50 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  We don't have a 'ton of commuters'. We haven't been a commuter school in close to a decade. Demand for on-campus housing exceeds supply. We just built the most expensive dorm in the country and it's still not enough.

I have no idea what Fishpro is talking about, but we need the stadium.

Well 30,000 (81%) of students live off-campus and 7,000 (19%) of students live on Temple owned housing. Now of course many live close to campus but um well that's a ton of commuters still. I know people try to avoid that label like the plague. Interestingly UCF and USF have about the same breakdown.

I think the common perception when someone hears the term commuter school they picture kids living at home, driving in for class, then back home again, there needs to be a definition of the term commuter. What distance does a student need to travel to be defined as a commuter, 5 blocks, 1 miles, 5 miles? The View at Montgomery is classified as off campus housing with close to 1000 students in residence, yet it’s actually located on a plot of land on Temple’s campus that the university doesn’t own. These kids are considered commuters and they are closer to class than some of the students in Temple housing.

On Temple’s website they list 8 different apartment complex developments that are adjacent to the campus not to mentions the hundreds of locally owned brownstones and multi-unit apartments for rent through private management companies that all just blocks off campus. All these kids fall into the category of commuters. I guess technically they are, but do they live close enough to campus that they could walk to an event on campus? I would think so.

They are labelled as living in non-university owned housing not commuters. Of course many are going to live off campus but close. My point is that Temple does play an integral role, like every large public school in an urban environment, in servicing the educational needs of locally born students. Many have cars and thus need parking. That parking can be used on Saturday's along with employee parking. Tulane faces the same issue and does a solid job of providing shuttle services to local high school's and other places with large unused weekend parking spaces.
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(05-23-2016 02:17 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  There it is, commuter references absolutely infuriate people. How's this, you are not a true commuter school but do have a local of locally born residents attending your school and not living on campus. It goes with the territory of state school in a populated area. The point being there has to be a decent amount of parking for them, even in a dense city. Thise spaces will be vacant on Saturdays.

Penn is at 35% and BU at 75%. For a better comps: Cinci is at 25%, Georgia State is at 17%, UCLA 43%, UT Dallas 29%, George Washington Univ 63%, University of Illinois-Chicago, 17%, Temple 19%, UCF 18%, USF, 18%......

Temple has about 21k undergrads at main campus and about 26k students total. Temple also has no graduate student housing at main campus. The 38k figure includes four other campuses. The denominator is either 21k or 26k.
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(05-23-2016 03:00 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  
(05-23-2016 02:17 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  There it is, commuter references absolutely infuriate people. How's this, you are not a true commuter school but do have a local of locally born residents attending your school and not living on campus. It goes with the territory of state school in a populated area. The point being there has to be a decent amount of parking for them, even in a dense city. Thise spaces will be vacant on Saturdays.

Penn is at 35% and BU at 75%. For a better comps: Cinci is at 25%, Georgia State is at 17%, UCLA 43%, UT Dallas 29%, George Washington Univ 63%, University of Illinois-Chicago, 17%, Temple 19%, UCF 18%, USF, 18%......

Temple has about 21k undergrads at main campus and about 26k students total. Temple also has no graduate student housing at main campus. The 38k figure includes four other campuses. The denominator is either 21k or 26k.
Um wut?

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OK ... I got this right from someone involved with the stadium that person being the AD. Lots of folks won't be happy but what he said is that most of the fans coming to the stadium will not come by car. A majority will be students already at the campus or people using public transport or other means to get there.
This won't be like the Linc where people park in massive parking lots. To me it sounds strange but Temple right now doesn't have any plans to build a bunch of parking for this stadium.
Now with that said, Temple is much emptier on Saturdays. Many of the current parking lots will be empty on that day.
I can also see a shuttle bus system from far flung lots. Far being 1 mile away.
So the OCS won't have the ample parking that the Linc does. It's only ample because Temple only brings 30k people to a 70k stadium.
But if we now have 10k student fans not driving to the game, there will be fewer cars.
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(05-23-2016 05:51 PM)Philly Brian Wrote:  OK ... I got this right from someone involved with the stadium that person being the AD. Lots of folks won't be happy but what he said is that most of the fans coming to the stadium will not come by car. A majority will be students already at the campus or people using public transport or other means to get there.
This won't be like the Linc where people park in massive parking lots. To me it sounds strange but Temple right now doesn't have any plans to build a bunch of parking for this stadium.
Now with that said, Temple is much emptier on Saturdays. Many of the current parking lots will be empty on that day.
I can also see a shuttle bus system from far flung lots. Far being 1 mile away.
So the OCS won't have the ample parking that the Linc does. It's only ample because Temple only brings 30k people to a 70k stadium.
But if we now have 10k student fans not driving to the game, there will be fewer cars.
I mean guessing Temple has parking and transportation for about 30k people daily. So this is not a big issue. Overblown. I think it's different if you're a small school and suddenly have to account for 25k to 45k folks that can be overwhelming.

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(05-23-2016 05:19 PM)panama Wrote:  
(05-23-2016 03:00 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  
(05-23-2016 02:17 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  There it is, commuter references absolutely infuriate people. How's this, you are not a true commuter school but do have a local of locally born residents attending your school and not living on campus. It goes with the territory of state school in a populated area. The point being there has to be a decent amount of parking for them, even in a dense city. Thise spaces will be vacant on Saturdays.

Penn is at 35% and BU at 75%. For a better comps: Cinci is at 25%, Georgia State is at 17%, UCLA 43%, UT Dallas 29%, George Washington Univ 63%, University of Illinois-Chicago, 17%, Temple 19%, UCF 18%, USF, 18%......

Temple has about 21k undergrads at main campus and about 26k students total. Temple also has no graduate student housing at main campus. The 38k figure includes four other campuses. The denominator is either 21k or 26k.
Um wut?

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I looked at the Temple fact book and it turns out my numbers are based on outdated info. I didn't realize just how much of enrollemt has been moved from suburban campuses to main campus. Enrollment at the Ambler campus is about 10% of what it used to be. According to the fact book there are a little less than 32k students (27k undergrads) enrolled at main campus. Since that campus is just 125 acres, it's pretty amazing how many people are on such a small space. By comparison Penn's campus is 299 acres.
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Wavefan ... keep in mind that this was a presentation to skeptical faculty concerned about stadium cost impacting tuition. The other goal was to show them why the Linc is no longer the best stadium solution for us. The figures that the CFO presented on game day cost alone was a real eye opener. You don't need to be a prof with a Phd to realize that the team can't keep having game day expenses at $1.7 mil increasing at a rate of 17% a year. While there is an option to own your own stadium and cut those expenses and increase revenue and finish with a profit.

In a nutshell, we are a program with a 30k avg fanbase (NCAA avg is 46k) in a huge expensive stadium designed for up to 70k fans paying high ticket and parking prices. I talk to Pitt fans who readily admit that even for free they don't belong in their pro stadium. They dream of the day when they go back to an OCS. I believe that they are averaging 44k in their pro stadium. Game day atmosphere there sucks. As we all know USF fans are not happy at their pro stadium either.
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(05-23-2016 06:02 PM)Philly Brian Wrote:  Wavefan ... keep in mind that this was a presentation to skeptical faculty concerned about stadium cost impacting tuition. The other goal was to show them why the Linc is no longer the best stadium solution for us. The figures that the CFO presented on game day cost alone was a real eye opener. You don't need to be a prof with a Phd to realize that the team can't keep having game day expenses at $1.7 mil increasing at a rate of 17% a year. While there is an option to own your own stadium and cut those expenses and increase revenue and finish with a profit.

In a nutshell, we are a program with a 30k avg fanbase (NCAA avg is 46k) in a huge expensive stadium designed for up to 70k fans paying high ticket and parking prices. I talk to Pitt fans who readily admit that even for free they don't belong in their pro stadium. They dream of the day when they go back to an OCS. I believe that they are averaging 44k in their pro stadium. Game day atmosphere there sucks. As we all know USF fans are not happy at their pro stadium either.
Pro stadium is nice

OCS is nicer

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Probably need around 3000 parking spots. I'm sure you've already got that on campus and can just say that on game days parking passes aren't valid.
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Generally the only issue will be for say a Thursday Night game. But even that can be managed .

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(05-23-2016 03:00 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  
(05-23-2016 02:17 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  There it is, commuter references absolutely infuriate people. How's this, you are not a true commuter school but do have a local of locally born residents attending your school and not living on campus. It goes with the territory of state school in a populated area. The point being there has to be a decent amount of parking for them, even in a dense city. Thise spaces will be vacant on Saturdays.

Penn is at 35% and BU at 75%. For a better comps: Cinci is at 25%, Georgia State is at 17%, UCLA 43%, UT Dallas 29%, George Washington Univ 63%, University of Illinois-Chicago, 17%, Temple 19%, UCF 18%, USF, 18%......

Temple has about 21k undergrads at main campus and about 26k students total. Temple also has no graduate student housing at main campus. The 38k figure includes four other campuses. The denominator is either 21k or 26k.

We have ~27,300 undergrads on main campus alone.
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(05-23-2016 08:24 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  We have ~27,300 undergrads on main campus alone.

Yeah, I corrected that in post #51. I didn't realize how much they've cut enrollment at Ambler and though I knew undergrad enrollment had grown a lot, I didn't realize just how much it has grown at main campus.
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It's only continuing to grow, and the quality is getting better and better. Our SAT average will be over 1200 in a year or two.
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(05-23-2016 06:01 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  
(05-23-2016 05:19 PM)panama Wrote:  
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(05-23-2016 02:17 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  There it is, commuter references absolutely infuriate people. How's this, you are not a true commuter school but do have a local of locally born residents attending your school and not living on campus. It goes with the territory of state school in a populated area. The point being there has to be a decent amount of parking for them, even in a dense city. Thise spaces will be vacant on Saturdays.

Penn is at 35% and BU at 75%. For a better comps: Cinci is at 25%, Georgia State is at 17%, UCLA 43%, UT Dallas 29%, George Washington Univ 63%, University of Illinois-Chicago, 17%, Temple 19%, UCF 18%, USF, 18%......

Temple has about 21k undergrads at main campus and about 26k students total. Temple also has no graduate student housing at main campus. The 38k figure includes four other campuses. The denominator is either 21k or 26k.
Um wut?

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I looked at the Temple fact book and it turns out my numbers are based on outdated info. I didn't realize just how much of enrollemt has been moved from suburban campuses to main campus. Enrollment at the Ambler campus is about 10% of what it used to be. According to the fact book there are a little less than 32k students (27k undergrads) enrolled at main campus. Since that campus is just 125 acres, it's pretty amazing how many people are on such a small space. By comparison Penn's campus is 299 acres.

That's one of the main reasons why Temple recently completed their 24 Story, $220 Million High Tech Dorm complex.

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(05-23-2016 02:17 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  
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(05-23-2016 12:50 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  We don't have a 'ton of commuters'. We haven't been a commuter school in close to a decade. Demand for on-campus housing exceeds supply. We just built the most expensive dorm in the country and it's still not enough.

I have no idea what Fishpro is talking about, but we need the stadium.

Well 30,000 (81%) of students live off-campus and 7,000 (19%) of students live on Temple owned housing. Now of course many live close to campus but um well that's a ton of commuters still. I know people try to avoid that label like the plague. Interestingly UCF and USF have about the same breakdown.

Um, because Philly is a major city and students live in different neighborhoods around the city. That doesn't mean they're living at home, driving or taking the subway to class and going home like a commuter traditionally means.

My brother lived in a house off campus when he was at Penn. Just because it's an elite private school and Temple isn't doesn't mean someone who does the same at Temple is a commuter.

There it is, commuter references absolutely infuriate people. How's this, you are not a true commuter school but do have a local of locally born residents attending your school and not living on campus. It goes with the territory of state school in a populated area. The point being there has to be a decent amount of parking for them, even in a dense city. Thise spaces will be vacant on Saturdays.

Penn is at 35% and BU at 75%. For a better comps: Cinci is at 25%, Georgia State is at 17%, UCLA 43%, UT Dallas 29%, George Washington Univ 63%, University of Illinois-Chicago, 17%, Temple 19%, UCF 18%, USF, 18%......

The neighborhood immediately west of Temple is essentially all students. You may not see it in the numbers, but a large majority of students live within a few blocks of Temple or on campus. I'm one of these students and I live in an apartment about 3 blocks off campus. Between me and the campus is all students, and even further than me is all students. This is why Temple's off campus students don't fit the term commuter, and Temple has worked hard to build a good campus culture by keeping kids in close proximity.
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