If you are wrong, we will both be happy.
If you are correct, I will admit I was wrong and some people will be ticked because they were straight up lied to.

You also do realize that most of those articles are FAR behing the curve on this one. Nobody reported about what FedEx was willing to do until the FOIA article, but even that was MONTHS behind the actual deal.
While I might would believe sources within your program, articles are not determining my opinion one way or the other.

And if you don't think there has been smoke about Big 12 expansion, you don't read much or watch ESPN at all. Every CFBLive I watched mentioned the pros and cons of expansion and who would be likely targets. Almost every person they talked with said they should expand, mixed opions on if they would or not.

(05-21-2016 03:19 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  If you are wrong, we will both be happy.
If you are correct, I will admit I was wrong and some people will be ticked because they were straight up lied to.

I don't think you guys we're being lied to per se, things looked very promising as little as two weeks ago and your guys were probably just trying to spread the joy, unfortunately things took a turn for the worse and you can clearly see that with each article and tweet that comes out. I just think it's crap to be spreading around the done deal stuff when that's clearly not true and has no basis in reality.

(05-21-2016 03:24 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  You also do realize that most of those articles are FAR behing the curve on this one. Nobody reported about what FedEx was willing to do until the FOIA article, but even that was MONTHS behind the actual deal.
While I might would believe sources within your program, articles are not determining my opinion one way or the other.

And if you don't think there has been smoke about Big 12 expansion, you don't read much or watch ESPN at all. Every CFBLive I watched mentioned the pros and cons of expansion and who would be likely targets. Almost every person they talked with said they should expand, mixed opions on if they would or not.

I'm sorry but most of what you're saying just sounds like wishful thinking on your part.

You talk about the media being way behind on this stuff but then quote ESPN as a source? ESPN is the absolute worst news source out there for this kind of thing. I'm talking about the current trend of articles and tweets clearly showing the backtracking thats happening. OU's Boren has completely reversed his stance in the last two weeks and he was by far the biggest proponent for Big 12 expansion, UT clearly want's no part of expanding or giving up their own network,WVU people are saying it's not dead but momentum has slowed substantially. Keep your head in the sand if you wish but you're going to be waiting a long time for that "done deal" invite unless things drastically change.

(05-21-2016 02:22 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 01:51 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Maybe it's a red herring. Maybe we go some. where. else.

E'rbody plays all ends against the middle...don't they?

Where. Else. Might. We. Go?

Imagination. Makes life entertaining and more interesting.

(05-21-2016 01:02 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 12:46 PM)TwoTimeTiger Wrote:  Canes is right. We are in. Not sure exactly when, but soon according to Canes.. a "good Poster" for sure.

Why are we in?

Fedex.

Fred doesn't write that kind of letter and not have something cooking.

You probably are in...assuming expansion, unfortunately that looks unlikely right now. Everything in the media and from what I'm hearing from WVU people seems to be pointing to staying at 10 for the time being. There literally isn't a single source out there saying expansion is imminent besides this board and it's "insiders". I'm not here to rain on your parade but don't be naive either.

I guess, technically you are correct. There is not a "single" source. Took about 5 minutes...

ESPN Jake Trotter

ESPN Adam Rittenberg

CBS Dennis Dodd

Fox Stewart Mandel

Fox Aaron Torres

(05-21-2016 03:56 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 01:02 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 12:46 PM)TwoTimeTiger Wrote:  Canes is right. We are in. Not sure exactly when, but soon according to Canes.. a "good Poster" for sure.

Why are we in?

Fedex.

Fred doesn't write that kind of letter and not have something cooking.

You probably are in...assuming expansion, unfortunately that looks unlikely right now. Everything in the media and from what I'm hearing from WVU people seems to be pointing to staying at 10 for the time being. There literally isn't a single source out there saying expansion is imminent besides this board and it's "insiders". I'm not here to rain on your parade but don't be naive either.

I guess, technically you are correct. There is not a "single" source. Took about 5 minutes...

ESPN Jake Trotter

ESPN Adam Rittenberg

CBS Dennis Dodd

Fox Stewart Mandel

Fox Aaron Torres

And you pretty much proved what I was saying...Those are old links, things have drastically changed over the last 10 days as I said numerous times.

Slightly more recent link from one of your sources

Boren backs up

"This was the powerful president's chance to stir the expansion pot further. On his turf. To send a message to the world. After that hour, it sounded a lot the Big 12 may just take a pass on the whole thing -- expansion, network, championship game.
"I think we kind of got out ahead of ourselves," Boren said. "Somehow, the speculation got out ahead of what the reality on the ground is."
He added: "I personally do not have any candidates at this point."

(05-21-2016 03:37 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 03:19 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  If you are wrong, we will both be happy.
If you are correct, I will admit I was wrong and some people will be ticked because they were straight up lied to.

I don't think you guys we're being lied to per se, things looked very promising as little as two weeks ago and your guys were probably just trying to spread the joy, unfortunately things took a turn for the worse and you can clearly see that with each article and tweet that comes out. I just think it's crap to be spreading around the done deal stuff when that's clearly not true and has no basis in reality.

They hired 2 consulting firms. Consultants came back and said they need to expand. Pretty much ALL the noise from the meetings was expansion was imminent - just who and when remained to be determined. All media sources reported such. FOI articles support such. Then a couple of people say - not so fast. And you think THAT killed it?

Not a very realistic outlook on your part, I think. Very probable that you guys either expand in 2016, or get poached in 2017. And they all know it, which is why the majority will vote for expansion. May not get enough votes though because UT doesn't care. But to say it's dead now is naive.

(05-21-2016 04:05 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 03:37 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 03:19 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  If you are wrong, we will both be happy.
If you are correct, I will admit I was wrong and some people will be ticked because they were straight up lied to.

I don't think you guys we're being lied to per se, things looked very promising as little as two weeks ago and your guys were probably just trying to spread the joy, unfortunately things took a turn for the worse and you can clearly see that with each article and tweet that comes out. I just think it's crap to be spreading around the done deal stuff when that's clearly not true and has no basis in reality.

They hired 2 consulting firms. Consultants came back and said they need to expand. Pretty much ALL the noise from the meetings was expansion was imminent - just who and when remained to be determined. All media sources reported such. FOI articles support such. Then a couple of people say - not so fast. And you think THAT killed it?

Not a very realistic outlook on your part, I think. Very probable that you guys either expand in 2016, or get poached in 2017.

It wasn't a couple of people that backtracked, it was THE MAIN PROPONENT of Big 12 expansion that backtracked, one of the major power brokers in the Big 12, OU's president Boren.

What you're not grasping is UT said no. Doesn't matter if the other 9 said yes to expansion if UT says no, there can be no network,thus no expansion, unless UT folds the Longhorn Network into the Big 12 network. Read the article I just linked, it says as much.

I agree with you 100% about the Big 12s lifespan if there is no expansion but it makes no difference to UT, they will always have a soft landing unlike some others in the Big 12 including my own school

(05-21-2016 04:05 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 03:37 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 03:19 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  If you are wrong, we will both be happy.
If you are correct, I will admit I was wrong and some people will be ticked because they were straight up lied to.

I don't think you guys we're being lied to per se, things looked very promising as little as two weeks ago and your guys were probably just trying to spread the joy, unfortunately things took a turn for the worse and you can clearly see that with each article and tweet that comes out. I just think it's crap to be spreading around the done deal stuff when that's clearly not true and has no basis in reality.

They hired 2 consulting firms. Consultants came back and said they need to expand. Pretty much ALL the noise from the meetings was expansion was imminent - just who and when remained to be determined. All media sources reported such. FOI articles support such. Then a couple of people say - not so fast. And you think THAT killed it?

Not a very realistic outlook on your part, I think. Very probable that you guys either expand in 2016, or get poached in 2017. And they all know it, which is why the majority will vote for expansion. May not get enough votes though because UT doesn't care. But to say it's dead now is naive.

The WV poster is misinformed.

(05-21-2016 04:18 PM)Strat57 Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 04:05 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 03:37 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 03:19 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  If you are wrong, we will both be happy.
If you are correct, I will admit I was wrong and some people will be ticked because they were straight up lied to.

I don't think you guys we're being lied to per se, things looked very promising as little as two weeks ago and your guys were probably just trying to spread the joy, unfortunately things took a turn for the worse and you can clearly see that with each article and tweet that comes out. I just think it's crap to be spreading around the done deal stuff when that's clearly not true and has no basis in reality.

They hired 2 consulting firms. Consultants came back and said they need to expand. Pretty much ALL the noise from the meetings was expansion was imminent - just who and when remained to be determined. All media sources reported such. FOI articles support such. Then a couple of people say - not so fast. And you think THAT killed it?

Not a very realistic outlook on your part, I think. Very probable that you guys either expand in 2016, or get poached in 2017. And they all know it, which is why the majority will vote for expansion. May not get enough votes though because UT doesn't care. But to say it's dead now is naive.

The WV poster is misinformed.

Along with the OU president who completely changed his tune over the last 10 days? Right.

(05-21-2016 04:26 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 04:18 PM)Strat57 Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 04:05 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 03:37 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 03:19 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  If you are wrong, we will both be happy.
If you are correct, I will admit I was wrong and some people will be ticked because they were straight up lied to.

I don't think you guys we're being lied to per se, things looked very promising as little as two weeks ago and your guys were probably just trying to spread the joy, unfortunately things took a turn for the worse and you can clearly see that with each article and tweet that comes out. I just think it's crap to be spreading around the done deal stuff when that's clearly not true and has no basis in reality.

They hired 2 consulting firms. Consultants came back and said they need to expand. Pretty much ALL the noise from the meetings was expansion was imminent - just who and when remained to be determined. All media sources reported such. FOI articles support such. Then a couple of people say - not so fast. And you think THAT killed it?

Not a very realistic outlook on your part, I think. Very probable that you guys either expand in 2016, or get poached in 2017. And they all know it, which is why the majority will vote for expansion. May not get enough votes though because UT doesn't care. But to say it's dead now is naive.

The WV poster is misinformed.

Along with the OU president who completely changed his tune over the last 10 days? Right.

Just keep sucking on the exhaust pipe of the media who don't know.

(05-21-2016 04:09 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 04:05 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 03:37 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 03:19 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  If you are wrong, we will both be happy.
If you are correct, I will admit I was wrong and some people will be ticked because they were straight up lied to.

I don't think you guys we're being lied to per se, things looked very promising as little as two weeks ago and your guys were probably just trying to spread the joy, unfortunately things took a turn for the worse and you can clearly see that with each article and tweet that comes out. I just think it's crap to be spreading around the done deal stuff when that's clearly not true and has no basis in reality.

They hired 2 consulting firms. Consultants came back and said they need to expand. Pretty much ALL the noise from the meetings was expansion was imminent - just who and when remained to be determined. All media sources reported such. FOI articles support such. Then a couple of people say - not so fast. And you think THAT killed it?

Not a very realistic outlook on your part, I think. Very probable that you guys either expand in 2016, or get poached in 2017.

It wasn't a couple of people that backtracked, it was THE MAIN PROPONENT of Big 12 expansion that backtracked, one of the major power brokers in the Big 12, OU's president Boren.

What you're not grasping is UT said no. Doesn't matter if the other 9 said yes to expansion if UT says no, there can be no network,thus no expansion, unless UT folds the Longhorn Network into the Big 12 network. Read the article I just linked, it says as much.

I agree with you 100% about the Big 12s lifespan if there is no expansion but it makes no difference to UT, they will always have a soft landing unlike some others in the Big 12 including my own school

Just because Boren said he would slow it down in the public media, does not mean he truly "backtracked". It is probable he said that to pacify his BOR member in public - while having much more serious convos in private.

Again, I don't know what will happen. But basing a whole theory on the most recent public comments - when there is a ton of historic evidence to the contrary - is very naive.

As I posted earlier, the is little to no reason I could see to announce publicly it is a done deal right now, unless you are officially announcing.

Taking the most negative view I can take, it make sense to say expansion is not happening and nothing else is going on in case somebody can match or beat what has been reported to have been offered on the Memphis side (they can't and won't).

But, once again, unless you have sources close to the program, I don't believe anything else.

I only used ESPN because you were saying there was nothing being said about expansion. That was all that was being said, regardless of if you think twitter enteries totally derail everything else that has been happening.

This has been in Motion for awhile...Like i said...Patience Is A Virtue....NO Limits....The World Is Ours Memphis....

If it wasn't for...if it wasn't for...if it wasn't for uncertainty... there'd be no fun at all.

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Just keep sucking on the exhaust pipe of the media who don't know.
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But Memphis "insiders" who don't seem to grasp how all this really works do?

Memphis is in good shape if expansion happens in large part to Fred Smith but I have seen nothing else in this thread, heard or seen anywhere else that Memphis(or UC) is a done deal lock that you guys keep implying.


Just because Boren said he would slow it down in the public media, does not mean he truly "backtracked". It is probable he said that to pacify his BOR member in public - while having much more serious convos in private.

Again, I don't know what will happen. But basing a whole theory on the most recent public comments - when there is a ton of historic evidence to the contrary - is very naive.
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The problem is it's not just Boren, the same stuff is coming out of Texas and WVU. Not sure about other Big 12 schools. Turn a blind eye if you wish.

(05-21-2016 05:35 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  As I posted earlier, the is little to no reason I could see to announce publicly it is a done deal right now, unless you are officially announcing.

Taking the most negative view I can take, it make sense to say expansion is not happening and nothing else is going on in case somebody can match or beat what has been reported to have been offered on the Memphis side (they can't and won't).

But, once again, unless you have sources close to the program, I don't believe anything else.

I only used ESPN because you were saying there was nothing being said about expansion. That was all that was being said, regardless of if you think twitter enteries totally derail everything else that has been happening.

As i've already stated what good does it do the Big 12 withholding this earth shattering expansion news when the Big 12 is taking a perception beating in the media because of it? Why the sudden change of tune from 2 weeks ago? If it was already signed, sealed and delivered as some of your insiders imply don't you think Big 12 officials would be more coy rather than flat out saying they got way ahead of themselves in regards to expansion? Don't you think a simple "no comment" would have been better suited by Boren if that were truly the case?

You used old links and still seem to be reverting back to outdated info. These things are fluid ya know and things have obviously cooled. Maybe things pick back up in the next set of meetings but from the looks of things UT seems to be digging in.

Look I get it, WVU went through this same crap and it's exhausting, but there are no done deals as of right now and that is an absolute fact.

I've read somewhere this has been in Motion for awhile...Patience Is A Virtue...

ESPN is going to lose all B10 rights according to what i've read. I would assume they would want more B12 games to replace them.

Signed, Sealed, Delivered I'm Yours...let's hear a little Stevie Wonder.... He knows like Togercanes knows.


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