(05-19-2016 06:40 AM)bubbapt Wrote:  Pastner did an outstanding job improving the basketball team's academic image. It isn't even debatable.

You really believe that ?

(05-19-2016 06:40 AM)bubbapt Wrote:  Pastner did an outstanding job improving the basketball team's academic image. It isn't even debatable.

Good point.

(05-19-2016 08:12 AM)memphisike Wrote:  The street could care less about the graduation rate, although it was mad about Tarik leaving for Kansas with a degree. BTW did u know he's in the NBA thanks to Self

The college coach is important ... would Skal be a first round pick if he had averaged 3 pts/game under Pastner?

He probably helped us get into the AAC. Back in 2012-2013 he still had support, attendance, dominated CUSA, first tournament win, and a monster recruiting class. He had nothing to do with the current B12 conversation. Fuente had way more to do with that.

(05-19-2016 06:55 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  AJC just attempting to give JP some positive PR in Atlanta. JP has had a rough reception down here given the widespread knowledge of Memphis wanting JP gone. And after JP's ridiculous golf comments, the media has been consistently merciless in its criticism of JP.

No, that's not possible. According to several on this board only MEMPHIS fans and media would act that way.

You must be mistaken.

Signed,

Mimi, Ncrdbl1, Tiger Greg, and the We Love Paz Facebook Page.

(05-19-2016 12:11 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 06:40 AM)bubbapt Wrote:  Pastner did an outstanding job improving the basketball team's academic image. It isn't even debatable.

Good point.

We had an outstanding academic image under Cal too. He graduated 15 out of 18 players at one point.

Interdisciplinary

Studies

(05-19-2016 12:49 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 12:11 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 06:40 AM)bubbapt Wrote:  Pastner did an outstanding job improving the basketball team's academic image. It isn't even debatable.

Good point.

We had an outstanding academic image under Cal too. He graduated 15 out of 18 players at one point.

Interdisciplinary

Studies

Cal is also the one who started the program to get players to come back and finish their degree.

(05-19-2016 01:10 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 12:49 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 12:11 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 06:40 AM)bubbapt Wrote:  Pastner did an outstanding job improving the basketball team's academic image. It isn't even debatable.

Good point.

We had an outstanding academic image under Cal too. He graduated 15 out of 18 players at one point.

Interdisciplinary

Studies

Cal is also the one who started the program to get players to come back and finish their degree.

I think Keith Lee was one of them

Cal was settling lawsuits alleging academic fraud.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/co...50689086/1

Is there really any argument here?

(05-19-2016 02:03 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  Cal was settling lawsuits alleging academic fraud.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/co...50689086/1

Is there really any argument here?

The link leads me to a subscription page, but I can guess it paints an unflattering picture of Calipari.

(05-19-2016 02:19 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 02:03 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  Cal was settling lawsuits alleging academic fraud.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/co...50689086/1

Is there really any argument here?

The link leads me to a subscription page, but I can guess it paints an unflattering picture of Calipari.

Not very flattering. Memories are short.

MEMPHIS, Tenn. (AP) – Coach John Calipari and former Memphis guard Derrick Rose agreed last year to pay $100,000 to avoid a lawsuit over the Tigers' season that ended in the 2008 Final Four with the wins later vacated by the NCAA.

Apparently Josh's arms are long enough to pat himself on the back.

did they stand up to accept their diplomas?

(05-19-2016 04:59 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 02:19 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 02:03 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  Cal was settling lawsuits alleging academic fraud.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/co...50689086/1

Is there really any argument here?

The link leads me to a subscription page, but I can guess it paints an unflattering picture of Calipari.

Not very flattering. Memories are short.

MEMPHIS, Tenn. (AP) – Coach John Calipari and former Memphis guard Derrick Rose agreed last year to pay $100,000 to avoid a lawsuit over the Tigers' season that ended in the 2008 Final Four with the wins later vacated by the NCAA.

Thanks.

(05-19-2016 04:59 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 02:19 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 02:03 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  Cal was settling lawsuits alleging academic fraud.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/co...50689086/1

Is there really any argument here?

The link leads me to a subscription page, but I can guess it paints an unflattering picture of Calipari.

Not very flattering. Memories are short.

MEMPHIS, Tenn. (AP) – Coach John Calipari and former Memphis guard Derrick Rose agreed last year to pay $100,000 to avoid a lawsuit over the Tigers' season that ended in the 2008 Final Four with the wins later vacated by the NCAA.

His legal fees woulda been 10 times that if he woulda fought it. A couple of butthurt lawyers just wanted to stir something up. If Cal was so bad how come he's still coaching ? Donnie Tyndal got a 10 year show cause


Tinfoil excuses in 3....2......1.....

(05-20-2016 08:40 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 04:59 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 02:19 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 02:03 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  Cal was settling lawsuits alleging academic fraud.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/co...50689086/1

Is there really any argument here?

The link leads me to a subscription page, but I can guess it paints an unflattering picture of Calipari.

Not very flattering. Memories are short.

MEMPHIS, Tenn. (AP) – Coach John Calipari and former Memphis guard Derrick Rose agreed last year to pay $100,000 to avoid a lawsuit over the Tigers' season that ended in the 2008 Final Four with the wins later vacated by the NCAA.

His legal fees woulda been 10 times that if he woulda fought it. A couple of butthurt lawyers just wanted to stir something up. If Cal was so bad how come he's still coaching ? Donnie Tyndal got a 10 year show cause


Tinfoil excuses in 3....2......1.....

How about this little nugget from 2009, titled, without irony, "John Caliperi is the Sleaziest Coach in a Sleazy Game". Please remind me what here sniffs of academic excellence:

"Then, in 2008, a 38-2 Memphis team coached by John Calipari made it all the way to the championship game. A year later, because of a tangled scandal involving papier-mâché SAT scores, the NCAA stripped Memphis of its tournament victories, forced the school to pay back more than $500,000 in tournament revenues, and expunged the team's accomplishments from the official record book."

Let's not forget Furgate, which Rob Fisher had such a fun time lambasting on his occasional return trips to St. Louis radio, just adding to the University's image as Stanford on the Delta:

"In 2005, long before the questions arose over who exactly took Derrick Rose's SAT, there was a break-in at the apartment where several members of the Memphis team lived. According to police reports, the items stolen included $3,600 in fake fur coats, $6,000 worth of shoes, and however many throwback jerseys $2,150 will buy you. It is possible that the players in question amassed this bounty on only what they received for books, tuition, room and board, and fees, or out of the largesse of their respective grandmothers. It is also possible that Maggie Gyllenhaal waits for me around the next corner. Then came that great season that doesn't exist any more, and the scandal, and Calipari was off to Kentucky while Memphis took the NCAA sanctions right in the face."

Screams academic excellence, doesn't it.

I just Googled "Josh Pastner sleazy". Weird. Nothing came up.


If you keep trying to argue that Caliperi, who escaped ahead of the posse on academic fraud charges, left Memphis with the same academic image that Josh Pastner did, then you might as well be arguing that the grass is blue and the sky is green.


But that wouldn't be the first time on this forum.

Don't expose Calipari around here, way too many loyal disciples still remain.......

(05-20-2016 08:40 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 04:59 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 02:19 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 02:03 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  Cal was settling lawsuits alleging academic fraud.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/co...50689086/1

Is there really any argument here?

The link leads me to a subscription page, but I can guess it paints an unflattering picture of Calipari.

Not very flattering. Memories are short.

MEMPHIS, Tenn. (AP) – Coach John Calipari and former Memphis guard Derrick Rose agreed last year to pay $100,000 to avoid a lawsuit over the Tigers' season that ended in the 2008 Final Four with the wins later vacated by the NCAA.

His legal fees woulda been 10 times that if he woulda fought it. A couple of butthurt lawyers just wanted to stir something up. If Cal was so bad how come he's still coaching ? Donnie Tyndal got a 10 year show cause


Tinfoil excuses in 3....2......1.....

because Cal is better at cheating than anyone else?

(05-19-2016 12:45 PM)TigerFan386 Wrote:  He probably helped us get into the AAC. Back in 2012-2013 he still had support, attendance, dominated CUSA, first tournament win, and a monster recruiting class. He had nothing to do with the current B12 conversation. Fuente had way more to do with that.

Though Pastner has indicated otherwise over this past year, Memphis had a name in basketball long before Cal or Josh. To say that Josh got us in the AAC ignores that history.

Beyond that, getting into the AAC at the point we did hardly counted as some amazing achievement. They were taking just about anyone.

(05-21-2016 06:49 AM)bubbapt Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 08:40 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 04:59 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 02:19 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 02:03 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  Cal was settling lawsuits alleging academic fraud.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/co...50689086/1

Is there really any argument here?

The link leads me to a subscription page, but I can guess it paints an unflattering picture of Calipari.

Not very flattering. Memories are short.

MEMPHIS, Tenn. (AP) – Coach John Calipari and former Memphis guard Derrick Rose agreed last year to pay $100,000 to avoid a lawsuit over the Tigers' season that ended in the 2008 Final Four with the wins later vacated by the NCAA.

His legal fees woulda been 10 times that if he woulda fought it. A couple of butthurt lawyers just wanted to stir something up. If Cal was so bad how come he's still coaching ? Donnie Tyndal got a 10 year show cause


Tinfoil excuses in 3....2......1.....

How about this little nugget from 2009, titled, without irony, "John Caliperi is the Sleaziest Coach in a Sleazy Game". Please remind me what here sniffs of academic excellence:

"Then, in 2008, a 38-2 Memphis team coached by John Calipari made it all the way to the championship game. A year later, because of a tangled scandal involving papier-mâché SAT scores, the NCAA stripped Memphis of its tournament victories, forced the school to pay back more than $500,000 in tournament revenues, and expunged the team's accomplishments from the official record book."

Let's not forget Furgate, which Rob Fisher had such a fun time lambasting on his occasional return trips to St. Louis radio, just adding to the University's image as Stanford on the Delta:

"In 2005, long before the questions arose over who exactly took Derrick Rose's SAT, there was a break-in at the apartment where several members of the Memphis team lived. According to police reports, the items stolen included $3,600 in fake fur coats, $6,000 worth of shoes, and however many throwback jerseys $2,150 will buy you. It is possible that the players in question amassed this bounty on only what they received for books, tuition, room and board, and fees, or out of the largesse of their respective grandmothers. It is also possible that Maggie Gyllenhaal waits for me around the next corner. Then came that great season that doesn't exist any more, and the scandal, and Calipari was off to Kentucky while Memphis took the NCAA sanctions right in the face."

Screams academic excellence, doesn't it.

I just Googled "Josh Pastner sleazy". Weird. Nothing came up.


If you keep trying to argue that Caliperi, who escaped ahead of the posse on academic fraud charges, left Memphis with the same academic image that Josh Pastner did, then you might as well be arguing that the grass is blue and the sky is green.

But that wouldn't be the first time on this forum.

The wind in the willow's playin' "Tea for Two";
The sky was yellow and the sun was blue,
Strangers stoppin' strangers just to shake their hand,
Everybody's playing in the heart of gold band, heart of gold band.