(05-22-2016 12:30 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  I think he just meant that the % of residents not from GA , who didn't grow up in our state is higher there. who might also be more likely to carry what ever nest egg of $ they save, back to another state when they retire .

That's definitely a fair assumption, and I was trying to write more generally with the thought that this could be the case (and it's a legitimate concern). As Panama hints at, though, we've all seen that the attitude goes beyond that for some people. I believe we've even seen stuff pop up on this board regarding the inherent degeneracy of values in the big city. Conversely, there are some of us big city folk who think anyone outside of metro Atlanta is a backwards hick who'd prefer to keep Georgia perpetually in the 1950s. As a "transplant" from Sumter County, I've long walked a line that has a good view of both attitudes.

Every state has its interior tensions. West and East Tennessee, north and south Arkansas and everyone vs. Little Rock, North Carolina mountains vs. flat lands. Interestingly all three of those states failed to secede until after the shooting started because of their different regions were split, the fight has always been there, the lines just shift some.

(05-22-2016 01:40 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(05-22-2016 12:30 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  I think he just meant that the % of residents not from GA , who didn't grow up in our state is higher there. who might also be more likely to carry what ever nest egg of $ they save, back to another state when they retire .

That's definitely a fair assumption, and I was trying to write more generally with the thought that this could be the case (and it's a legitimate concern). As Panama hints at, though, we've all seen that the attitude goes beyond that for some people. I believe we've even seen stuff pop up on this board regarding the inherent degeneracy of values in the big city. Conversely, there are some of us big city folk who think anyone outside of metro Atlanta is a backwards hick who'd prefer to keep Georgia perpetually in the 1950s. As a "transplant" from Sumter County, I've long walked a line that has a good view of both attitudes.

LOL, how many students at Georgia Southern are from Fulton & Gwinnett Counties, a lot !
Insofar as Central and South Georgia, yah economically, yah. Folks like me prefer that slower lifestyle, and even I am going to live in closer proximity to the "big city" because that is where the jobs are. Things seems to get disproportionately skewed to North Georgia, but that's where the population is

(05-23-2016 10:09 AM)DawggoneEagle Wrote:  

(05-22-2016 01:40 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(05-22-2016 12:30 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  I think he just meant that the % of residents not from GA , who didn't grow up in our state is higher there. who might also be more likely to carry what ever nest egg of $ they save, back to another state when they retire .

That's definitely a fair assumption, and I was trying to write more generally with the thought that this could be the case (and it's a legitimate concern). As Panama hints at, though, we've all seen that the attitude goes beyond that for some people. I believe we've even seen stuff pop up on this board regarding the inherent degeneracy of values in the big city. Conversely, there are some of us big city folk who think anyone outside of metro Atlanta is a backwards hick who'd prefer to keep Georgia perpetually in the 1950s. As a "transplant" from Sumter County, I've long walked a line that has a good view of both attitudes.

LOL, how many students at Georgia Southern are from Fulton & Gwinnett Counties, a lot !
Insofar as Central and South Georgia, yah economically, yah. Folks like me prefer that slower lifestyle, and even I am going to live in closer proximity to the "big city" because that is where the jobs are. Things seems to get disproportionately skewed to North Georgia, but that's where the population is

Again...decisions were made going to WW II to ensure that Atlanta did not get left even further behind. There is a reason it's known as the City Too Busy to Hate. Whatever drives business is what has ruled the day for 8 decades.

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(05-23-2016 10:14 AM)panama Wrote:  Again...decisions were made going to WW II to ensure that Atlanta did not get left even further behind. There is a reason it's known as the City Too Busy to Hate. Whatever drives business is what has ruled the day for 8 decades.

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Wasn't the big factor that drove Atlanta to what it is today was that fact that Delta decided to have their main office/hub in Atlanta over Birmingham int he 60's? I thought that was when everything in Atlanta really took off.

(05-23-2016 12:26 PM)Tennessee_Eagle Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 10:14 AM)panama Wrote:  Again...decisions were made going to WW II to ensure that Atlanta did not get left even further behind. There is a reason it's known as the City Too Busy to Hate. Whatever drives business is what has ruled the day for 8 decades.

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Wasn't the big factor that drove Atlanta to what it is today was that fact that Delta decided to have their main office/hub in Atlanta over Birmingham int he 60's? I thought that was when everything in Atlanta really took off.

Confluence of railroads and interstates. Delta as a hub. Going after all those Fortune 500 companies. The rebuilding of the airport in the 1970s and 80s. Then going after the Olympics. Not being as intractable in racial politics as other Southern cities. All played a part.

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Don't forget very few major cities have 3 interstates run through them. Most have 2.

(05-23-2016 12:26 PM)Tennessee_Eagle Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 10:14 AM)panama Wrote:  Again...decisions were made going to WW II to ensure that Atlanta did not get left even further behind. There is a reason it's known as the City Too Busy to Hate. Whatever drives business is what has ruled the day for 8 decades.

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Wasn't the big factor that drove Atlanta to what it is today was that fact that Delta decided to have their main office/hub in Atlanta over Birmingham int he 60's? I thought that was when everything in Atlanta really took off.

You forget that Eastern was bigger than Delta in the 60s & 70s. It was their busiest hub even though they were based in Miami. In fact, the south terminal at Hartsfield was Eastern's not Delta's.
The railroads are what Atlanta can thank for it's elite position for the south. Ford had an assembly plant where Ponce City Market is in midtown right on the rail line that is now the Beltline. Pure Oil and Continental Oil had offices here because of logistical importance. Sears had headquarters here as well. Bell aircraft chose Marietta due to the location of the railways, which Lockheed moved into in 1951. The major U.S. Highways followed the busiest rail lines. In turn, interstates followed the major U.S. Highways. GM & Ford both had plants on the opposite ends of I-285. Northern companies needed a southern base. What better base than arguably the best logistical spot in the southeast?

(05-23-2016 02:03 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 12:26 PM)Tennessee_Eagle Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 10:14 AM)panama Wrote:  Again...decisions were made going to WW II to ensure that Atlanta did not get left even further behind. There is a reason it's known as the City Too Busy to Hate. Whatever drives business is what has ruled the day for 8 decades.

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Wasn't the big factor that drove Atlanta to what it is today was that fact that Delta decided to have their main office/hub in Atlanta over Birmingham int he 60's? I thought that was when everything in Atlanta really took off.

You forget that Eastern was bigger than Delta in the 60s & 70s. It was their busiest hub even though they were based in Miami. In fact, the south terminal at Hartsfield was Eastern's not Delta's.
The railroads are what Atlanta can thank for it's elite position for the south. Ford had an assembly plant where Ponce City Market is in midtown right on the rail line that is now the Beltline. Pure Oil and Continental Oil had offices here because of logistical importance. Sears had headquarters here as well. Bell aircraft chose Marietta due to the location of the railways, which Lockheed moved into in 1951. The major U.S. Highways followed the busiest rail lines. In turn, interstates followed the major U.S. Highways. GM & Ford both had plants on the opposite ends of I-285. Northern companies needed a southern base. What better base than arguably the best logistical spot in the southeast?

Also
Interstates and railroads led to Atlanta becoming a major inland port. The airport followed that. Cargo transport is a major business. Hence UPS relocating here. Point is that for 80 years the business of Atlanta has been about doing business and they have made sure nothing gets in the way of that. The one misstep was the state banking laws which allowed NC banks to buy up Atlanta banks in the 1980s but not the reverse. They state and city have worked together to make sure that that kind of stuff never happens again.

Being in a large city vs small town when it comes to college football is meaningless. Alabama is in Tuscaloosa and Hofstra folded up in the largest media market. Houston is where they are today because alums give back and attend games not because of their location. For every decent large city team there is probably double if not triple more prominent programs in the sticks.

The BOR is trying to limit both the growth of all football teams not named GT or uga in the state end of story. Both schools have a lot going for it but the BOR and its arbitrary decisions have more impact on both programs than any factor. Until we start putting near 30K in the stands, alums start digging deeper and we starting tasting that FU BOR money they have us under their thumbs. Email and or call all your govt representation.

I was referring to the "two Georgia's" in the context that below the fall line very little has been done to stimulate economic growth. An argument could be made that governors have focused above the fall line and on the Port in Savannah (with trucks and rail cars headed immediately to Atlanta) because that's where the money (and the votes) already exist. Meanwhile, a third of rural and native Georgians live in cyclical poverty and cultural degeneration as a combined result of changes in the agricultural economy and the unintentional consequences of dependency created by entitlement programs.

The money and power are firmly behind UGA, Tech, and the medical college and GA State was founded as a convenience to Atlanta people to get degrees at night without driving to Athens. The rest of the system was created to train teachers. South Georgia is crisscrossed with 2 lane blacktop or graveltop highways which make 150 miles a 3-4 hour trip. Very little investment has been made in the infrastructure of South Georgia but we haven't stopped building Atlanta since Sherman burned it down.

South Carolina has the same issue between upstate and the low country. Naturally, people who prefer to live in urban areas will outnumber rural dwellers which leaves rural America even more neglected and with the same problems as the inner cities.

The other meaning behind "real Georgia" comes from being a native Savannahian and understanding that settlers in the middle and northern parts of the state generally came from Tennessee, NC, and Virginia. There are lots of things I like and appreciate about north Georgia. I'd just like to see more opportunities for South Georgians to flourish and that includes advanced education in our own "neighborhood".

(05-23-2016 02:03 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 12:26 PM)Tennessee_Eagle Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 10:14 AM)panama Wrote:  Again...decisions were made going to WW II to ensure that Atlanta did not get left even further behind. There is a reason it's known as the City Too Busy to Hate. Whatever drives business is what has ruled the day for 8 decades.

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Wasn't the big factor that drove Atlanta to what it is today was that fact that Delta decided to have their main office/hub in Atlanta over Birmingham int he 60's? I thought that was when everything in Atlanta really took off.

You forget that Eastern was bigger than Delta in the 60s & 70s. It was their busiest hub even though they were based in Miami. In fact, the south terminal at Hartsfield was Eastern's not Delta's.
The railroads are what Atlanta can thank for it's elite position for the south. Ford had an assembly plant where Ponce City Market is in midtown right on the rail line that is now the Beltline. Pure Oil and Continental Oil had offices here because of logistical importance. Sears had headquarters here as well. Bell aircraft chose Marietta due to the location of the railways, which Lockheed moved into in 1951. The major U.S. Highways followed the busiest rail lines. In turn, interstates followed the major U.S. Highways. GM & Ford both had plants on the opposite ends of I-285. Northern companies needed a southern base. What better base than arguably the best logistical spot in the southeast?

Pretty far off topic, but since we're discussing GA growth and history I thought I'd mention an awesome website - atlantatimemachine.com

I like history and historical photos. This website gave me hours of entertainment even though I only lived in metro ATL for a few years. For older guys who have been there decades, this site would be a nostalgia overload.

(05-23-2016 05:04 PM)CC Eagle Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 02:03 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 12:26 PM)Tennessee_Eagle Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 10:14 AM)panama Wrote:  Again...decisions were made going to WW II to ensure that Atlanta did not get left even further behind. There is a reason it's known as the City Too Busy to Hate. Whatever drives business is what has ruled the day for 8 decades.

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Wasn't the big factor that drove Atlanta to what it is today was that fact that Delta decided to have their main office/hub in Atlanta over Birmingham int he 60's? I thought that was when everything in Atlanta really took off.

You forget that Eastern was bigger than Delta in the 60s & 70s. It was their busiest hub even though they were based in Miami. In fact, the south terminal at Hartsfield was Eastern's not Delta's.
The railroads are what Atlanta can thank for it's elite position for the south. Ford had an assembly plant where Ponce City Market is in midtown right on the rail line that is now the Beltline. Pure Oil and Continental Oil had offices here because of logistical importance. Sears had headquarters here as well. Bell aircraft chose Marietta due to the location of the railways, which Lockheed moved into in 1951. The major U.S. Highways followed the busiest rail lines. In turn, interstates followed the major U.S. Highways. GM & Ford both had plants on the opposite ends of I-285. Northern companies needed a southern base. What better base than arguably the best logistical spot in the southeast?

Pretty far off topic, but since we're discussing GA growth and history I thought I'd mention an awesome website - atlantatimemachine.com

I like history and historical photos. This website gave me hours of entertainment even though I only lived in metro ATL for a few years. For older guys who have been there decades, this site would be a nostalgia overload.

Love that site! The pictures of downtown are amazing

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(05-23-2016 04:26 PM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  I was referring to the "two Georgia's" in the context that below the fall line very little has been done to stimulate economic growth. An argument could be made that governors have focused above the fall line and on the Port in Savannah (with trucks and rail cars headed immediately to Atlanta) because that's where the money (and the votes) already exist. Meanwhile, a third of rural and native Georgians live in cyclical poverty and cultural degeneration as a combined result of changes in the agricultural economy and the unintentional consequences of dependency created by entitlement programs.

The money and power are firmly behind UGA, Tech, and the medical college and GA State was founded as a convenience to Atlanta people to get degrees at night without driving to Athens. The rest of the system was created to train teachers. South Georgia is crisscrossed with 2 lane blacktop or graveltop highways which make 150 miles a 3-4 hour trip. Very little investment has been made in the infrastructure of South Georgia but we haven't stopped building Atlanta since Sherman burned it down.

South Carolina has the same issue between upstate and the low country. Naturally, people who prefer to live in urban areas will outnumber rural dwellers which leaves rural America even more neglected and with the same problems as the inner cities.

The other meaning behind "real Georgia" comes from being a native Savannahian and understanding that settlers in the middle and northern parts of the state generally came from Tennessee, NC, and Virginia. There are lots of things I like and appreciate about north Georgia. I'd just like to see more opportunities for South Georgians to flourish and that includes advanced education in our own "neighborhood".

It's really complicated. When have Savannah Metro business, civic and political leaders gotten on a plane to promote business for Savannah? I don't know maybe they have. I know Atlanta leaders have ever been doing this since Candler. A lot has to happen from the Savannah side and a lot has to happen from the state side. You should have had commuter rail connecting Georgia cities 15 years ago now. Savannah should be the size of Tampa by now.

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(05-23-2016 10:14 AM)panama Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 10:09 AM)DawggoneEagle Wrote:  

(05-22-2016 01:40 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(05-22-2016 12:30 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  I think he just meant that the % of residents not from GA , who didn't grow up in our state is higher there. who might also be more likely to carry what ever nest egg of $ they save, back to another state when they retire .

That's definitely a fair assumption, and I was trying to write more generally with the thought that this could be the case (and it's a legitimate concern). As Panama hints at, though, we've all seen that the attitude goes beyond that for some people. I believe we've even seen stuff pop up on this board regarding the inherent degeneracy of values in the big city. Conversely, there are some of us big city folk who think anyone outside of metro Atlanta is a backwards hick who'd prefer to keep Georgia perpetually in the 1950s. As a "transplant" from Sumter County, I've long walked a line that has a good view of both attitudes.

LOL, how many students at Georgia Southern are from Fulton & Gwinnett Counties, a lot !
Insofar as Central and South Georgia, yah economically, yah. Folks like me prefer that slower lifestyle, and even I am going to live in closer proximity to the "big city" because that is where the jobs are. Things seems to get disproportionately skewed to North Georgia, but that's where the population is

Again...decisions were made going to WW II to ensure that Atlanta did not get left even further behind. There is a reason it's known as the City Too Busy to Hate. Whatever drives business is what has ruled the day for 8 decades.

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Never once heard that phrase uttered

(05-23-2016 12:45 PM)SBEagle Wrote:  Don't forget very few major cities have 3 interstates run through them. Most have 2.

I would be hesitant to label I-20 as an interstate. I would describe it as 'moonscape.'

I grew up and still live in Winder, attended college in Oakwood, Statesboro, and Dahlonega, in my opinion, being Georgian through and through, the "two Georgia's" being discussed really is Metro-Atlanta Georgia, and rural Georgia. Although August, Macon, and Savannah, are large cities compared to their surroundings, it doesn't take much to be out in the sticks. I don't count Athens because other than UGA, it's not much of anything, about like Lawrenceville.
Metro-Atlanta gets a disproportionately large share of state funds, but again that's where the people are. In my opinion, Influx has done more to drag down the metro area than improve it. Where I live is as close to the A T L as I want to be. As far as higher education state funds go. I don't think there ever was a conspiracy to disproportionately fund the state institutions based on geography. When UGA was actually built in 1801 in Athens, there wasn't even a wide spot in the road so to speak, and
Terminus, so named for obvious reasons, what we now call Atlanta didn't even exist. Why higher education didn't a start out in Savannah, who knows.
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(05-24-2016 12:46 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 10:14 AM)panama Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 10:09 AM)DawggoneEagle Wrote:  

(05-22-2016 01:40 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(05-22-2016 12:30 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  I think he just meant that the % of residents not from GA , who didn't grow up in our state is higher there. who might also be more likely to carry what ever nest egg of $ they save, back to another state when they retire .

That's definitely a fair assumption, and I was trying to write more generally with the thought that this could be the case (and it's a legitimate concern). As Panama hints at, though, we've all seen that the attitude goes beyond that for some people. I believe we've even seen stuff pop up on this board regarding the inherent degeneracy of values in the big city. Conversely, there are some of us big city folk who think anyone outside of metro Atlanta is a backwards hick who'd prefer to keep Georgia perpetually in the 1950s. As a "transplant" from Sumter County, I've long walked a line that has a good view of both attitudes.

LOL, how many students at Georgia Southern are from Fulton & Gwinnett Counties, a lot !
Insofar as Central and South Georgia, yah economically, yah. Folks like me prefer that slower lifestyle, and even I am going to live in closer proximity to the "big city" because that is where the jobs are. Things seems to get disproportionately skewed to North Georgia, but that's where the population is

Again...decisions were made going to WW II to ensure that Atlanta did not get left even further behind. There is a reason it's known as the City Too Busy to Hate. Whatever drives business is what has ruled the day for 8 decades.

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Never once heard that phrase uttered

http://www.coca-colacompany.com/stories/...y-to-hate-

Literally the best thing that ever happened to Atlanta, although not at the time, was General William T. Sherman's urban renewal program in 1864, and the city later becoming the official state capital after a statewide vote in 1877.

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(05-24-2016 05:05 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 12:46 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 10:14 AM)panama Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 10:09 AM)DawggoneEagle Wrote:  

(05-22-2016 01:40 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  That's definitely a fair assumption, and I was trying to write more generally with the thought that this could be the case (and it's a legitimate concern). As Panama hints at, though, we've all seen that the attitude goes beyond that for some people. I believe we've even seen stuff pop up on this board regarding the inherent degeneracy of values in the big city. Conversely, there are some of us big city folk who think anyone outside of metro Atlanta is a backwards hick who'd prefer to keep Georgia perpetually in the 1950s. As a "transplant" from Sumter County, I've long walked a line that has a good view of both attitudes.

LOL, how many students at Georgia Southern are from Fulton & Gwinnett Counties, a lot !
Insofar as Central and South Georgia, yah economically, yah. Folks like me prefer that slower lifestyle, and even I am going to live in closer proximity to the "big city" because that is where the jobs are. Things seems to get disproportionately skewed to North Georgia, but that's where the population is

Again...decisions were made going to WW II to ensure that Atlanta did not get left even further behind. There is a reason it's known as the City Too Busy to Hate. Whatever drives business is what has ruled the day for 8 decades.

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Never once heard that phrase uttered

http://www.coca-colacompany.com/stories/...y-to-hate-

I was about to say, how can you know anything about Atlanta history and not know that phrase?

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