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RE: Georgia Regents cap student funding of athletic programs
(05-11-2016 03:39 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  
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(05-11-2016 07:18 AM)Usajags Wrote:  If you remove the political conspiracy theories, I see this as more oversight to keep over eager presidents and AD's from dumping to much money into athletic programs. They are trying to prevent a UAb situation from happening. Schools forcing the FBS cost onto students and raising the price of education even higher for a program that doesn't have the true support that is required to keep these programs alive.

You have to realize these schools are businesses, they have to pay for the things they have, there customers are students. As their overhead rises, so does their price. We all want our government to live within a budget, well this is part of that. They are controlling expenses.

Georgia State students voted to impose fees on themselves. Why should a group of old guys from other schools tell them they can't?


Pretty sure none of those students that voted for that are still there. People never account for this when making that statement.
I've always said that current students should be less of a factor than they are for institutions that are usually over 100 years old.

But the hypocrisy of overruling the students "for their own good" made me trot them out too.
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(05-11-2016 03:41 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  I've always said that current students should be less of a factor than they are for institutions that are usually over 100 years old.

But the hypocrisy of overruling the students "for their own good" made me trot them out too.

Yeah, but those students chose to come to the school knowing that there was a student fee for Athletics and that it went to help fund our football program. If you don't like it, choose another school. There are plenty that don't do it.
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(05-11-2016 03:39 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  
(05-11-2016 07:38 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(05-11-2016 07:18 AM)Usajags Wrote:  If you remove the political conspiracy theories, I see this as more oversight to keep over eager presidents and AD's from dumping to much money into athletic programs. They are trying to prevent a UAb situation from happening. Schools forcing the FBS cost onto students and raising the price of education even higher for a program that doesn't have the true support that is required to keep these programs alive.

You have to realize these schools are businesses, they have to pay for the things they have, there customers are students. As their overhead rises, so does their price. We all want our government to live within a budget, well this is part of that. They are controlling expenses.

Georgia State students voted to impose fees on themselves. Why should a group of old guys from other schools tell them they can't?


Pretty sure none of those students that voted for that are still there. People never account for this when making that statement.
None of the ratifiers of the Declaration of Independence are alive either.

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(05-11-2016 04:25 PM)Tuscon Wrote:  
(05-11-2016 03:41 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  I've always said that current students should be less of a factor than they are for institutions that are usually over 100 years old.

But the hypocrisy of overruling the students "for their own good" made me trot them out too.

Yeah, but those students chose to come to the school knowing that there was a student fee for Athletics and that it went to help fund our football program. If you don't like it, choose another school. There are plenty that don't do it.
Not to mention that much to the disgust of the naysayers the addition of football has immensely benefitted GSU.

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Makes sense from a budget standpoint. The belt tightening is necessary.
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Georgia Stae is about to add over 50,000 students to its rolls. The total of those student fees and the fees from their own enrollment would have brought their athletic budget to over $40m. That is why this rule was passed. This would have placed State up there with some big programs. They would have eclipsed Tech in Atlanta.
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(05-11-2016 08:46 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  Georgia Stae is about to add over 50,000 students to its rolls. The total of those student fees and the fees from their own enrollment would have brought their athletic budget to over $40m. That is why this rule was passed. This would have placed State up there with some big programs. They would have eclipsed Tech in Atlanta.

Yep, make it a dollar limit on fees if you want to lower student costs. With thier enrollment GSU could have charged less per student than surrounding schools and still came out ahead.
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I think it was VA that first got this ball rolling. I see other states adopting similar standards. If you take a step back and look at the big picture the amount of student fees that are subsidizing athletic budgets is our of control. JMU is one of the biggest offenders out there. A kid that wants to go to school and has no interest in sports shouldn't have to pay crazy fees to subsidize the football team.
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Some of the stuff tried against us backfired in the end. Some of it we found ways to get around. Some of it we just fought through.

I think over time UA may have become a bit more circumspect. They have to be careful not to do anything that might have unintended boomerang consequences. Our #1 fan becoming Governor might have chilled them a little too...though he played the game and remained impartial in office.

The Little Rock free paper has been calling them out the last few years and their new stadium expansion project has been publicly questioned by a board member...a former Governor no less.

So hopefully, they have gained more of a realization that collegial in-state relations does have some advantages. But that may be wishful thinking.
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(05-11-2016 09:52 PM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  I think it was VA that first got this ball rolling. I see other states adopting similar standards. If you take a step back and look at the big picture the amount of student fees that are subsidizing athletic budgets is our of control. JMU is one of the biggest offenders out there. A kid that wants to go to school and has no interest in sports shouldn't have to pay crazy fees to subsidize the football team.

They don't have to. There are plenty of schools that do not have athletics or have lower division athletics without fees. Nobody is holding a gun to anyone's head to make them choose a school with athletic fees.
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(05-11-2016 10:01 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Some of the stuff tried against us backfired in the end. Some of it we found ways to get around. Some of it we just fought through.

I think over time UA may have become a bit more circumspect. They have to be careful not to do anything that might have unintended boomerang consequences. Our #1 fan becoming Governor might have chilled them a little too...though he played the game and remained impartial in office.

The Little Rock free paper has been calling them out the last few years and their new stadium expansion project has been publicly questioned by a board member...a former Governor no less.

So hopefully, they have gained more of a realization that collegial in-state relations does have some advantages. But that may be wishful thinking.

The free paper hates athletics.
Governor Pryor was responsible in that job and as a US senator. He just isn't going to sign off because they ask him to as a board member.

Funny thing is Governor Beebe (our #1 fan) was praised by the big free paper for not accepting free travel from big business to attend any UA bowl games. Then when we made a bowl he accepted, to go to AState and UA. He didn't want to show his favoritism attending only AState and snubbing UA but when only UA made a bowl he attended none.
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(05-11-2016 09:52 PM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  I think it was VA that first got this ball rolling. I see other states adopting similar standards. If you take a step back and look at the big picture the amount of student fees that are subsidizing athletic budgets is our of control. JMU is one of the biggest offenders out there. A kid that wants to go to school and has no interest in sports shouldn't have to pay crazy fees to subsidize the football team.

They aren't...
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Students are funding a lot of programs they have no interest in.

If students are successful that trend will continue in the real world as well with a different three letter word.

That said I agree that over 2/3rds of an athletic department shouldn't be on the backs of students if we are going to pay coaches north of 500k.
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(05-11-2016 09:52 PM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  I think it was VA that first got this ball rolling. I see other states adopting similar standards. If you take a step back and look at the big picture the amount of student fees that are subsidizing athletic budgets is our of control. JMU is one of the biggest offenders out there. A kid that wants to go to school and has no interest in sports shouldn't have to pay crazy fees to subsidize the football team.

this is simply not true and a huge myth that is perpetuated endlessly by those reports in USA Today, etc and has been explained on these boards 5,000 times in the past few years.

it is simply due to the accounting requirements by Virginia.

we include items like the band (which at JMU is huge and a large expense), the spirit teams, and the debt on our new stadium. these are items most states do not account for in the athletic budget.

when the bill in VA was passed, these items were listed as exceptions when meeting the athletic fee requirement. When they are taken out, JMU's subsidy is significantly lower and within the VA requirement with room to spare and easily in line with G5 programs.

look with your eyes and be realistic....do you really think JMU drawing more than many G5 programs in football, drawing 3,000 to women's basketball games, selling out softball games, etc, increasing athletic donations every year for a decade now is that poor compared to other schools with a fraction of our attendance and support? c'mon now.
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(05-11-2016 08:46 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  Georgia Stae is about to add over 50,000 students to its rolls. The total of those student fees and the fees from their own enrollment would have brought their athletic budget to over $40m. That is why this rule was passed. This would have placed State up there with some big programs. They would have eclipsed Tech in Atlanta.

Go back to the post about the West Georgia bailout. That is why this was passed.
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It will be very interesting to see how projects get funded going forward.

The BoR has made some bad investments in supporting some of the projects in D2, most notably at FVSU and Valdosta State. VSU had projected five years ago, that in FY16 their enrollment would be around 16,500 students. They've actually lost students and are 1000 down from FY11 numbers. I don't have the exact numbers that the BoR supplemented renovation of their basketball arena, but know that they spent nearly $1,000,000 just in renovating bathrooms, the lobby and the trophy cases alone.

The BoR funded a new basketball arena, natatorium, athletic support offices and 'classrooms' in Fort Valley to the tune of $15.2 million dollars. Now I can tell you that practically zero dollars came from community or donor support. Fort Valley has a whopping enrollment of just over 2200 students, and like Valdosta State has seen serious erosion in their enrollment.

Part of the BoR's strategy and timing has been poor at best. When they have appeared to 'pick' places to help out and succeed, they have fallen pretty flat on their face. For that reason and the scrutiny that has arrived on our doorstep, I think they have had no choice but to move in this direction when evaluating new proposals that could potentially cost them major dollars.

By comparison, if the BoR were to build an equivalent basketball arena at Georgia Southern, at the FVSU rate of $6909 per student, we'd be looking at a sweet $145 million dollar complex.

But we all know that isn't happening.
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(05-12-2016 11:28 AM)Eagle22 Wrote:  By comparison, if the BoR were to build an equivalent basketball arena at Georgia Southern, at the FVSU rate of $6909 per student, we'd be looking at a sweet $145 million dollar complex.

But we all know that isn't happening.

Savannah is planning to build an arena at that level - I know it isn't quite the same but at least it could be used for special games or conference tournaments.
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Have wondered for years why Savannah or Macon ha so nor built a stadium for bowls.

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(05-12-2016 08:16 PM)panama Wrote:  Have wondered for years why Savannah or Macon ha so nor built a stadium for bowls.

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The new arena is basically just replacing the outdated civic center...not sure how much use a stadium would get in Savannah outside of a potential bowl.
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(05-12-2016 08:16 PM)panama Wrote:  Have wondered for years why Savannah or Macon ha so nor built a stadium for bowls.

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Savannah will grow enough in the next 20 years, with the port expansion, to be able to support such a project, IMO.

Macon, nope. No way. If any central Georgia county has it together enough to make something happen on that scale, it'd land in Houston County (Warner Robins area). They are plowing a lot of money into their infrastructure and have already been successful in attracting the southern Little League headquarters and do a great job with recreational capacity. Warner Robins has space, but the city is a baby by comparison to other cities and has no downtown district or destination spots to entertain visitors when the games are over.

Macon couldn't keep the Braves A team in town (went to Rome), and the town has seen multiple minor-league hockey leagues and an AFL2 team come and go in rapid fashion. Many of the suitable sites in downtown Macon for such a possible project are contaminated properties from past industrial operations, that would require significant upfront costs to reclaim.

Mercer is doing their best to make Macon theirs, but it will be interesting to see if the novelty of the SoCon wears off in a few years. The crowds receded somewhat the past 2 years as their competition rose and their wins fell.

Macon has a poor history of support for sports, it would be a heck of a gamble for anyone to plow money into a municipal multi-use stadium with no regular collegiate tenant.
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