Mr. Penny Lane
WHATEVER YOU SAY! I BET YOU ARE NEITHER A SEASON TICKET HOLDER NOR A TSF DONOR.
I WILL NOT ARGUE WITH YOU.
YOU ARE RIGHT!
I HAVE NO DESIRE TO DEAL WITH THIS **** ON A DAILY BASIS
BLESS YOUR HEART!

(05-02-2016 10:58 PM)tiger-tug Wrote:  Bob Huggins, Rick Pitino, Bill Self, Nolan Richardson, Bruce Pearl, John Chaney, Bobby Knight, Jim Boeheim.
ALL OF THESE COACHES HAVE SAID, KEEP THE GAME CLOSE UNTIL THE LAST THREE MINUTES BECAUSE CAL CAN'T COACH.
SO, THEY ARE MORONS TOO.

I would say Cal is an average coach. Excellent recruiter, and motivater. I'm not a big fan of Self, but everyone else on your list is way better than Cal.

(05-02-2016 11:03 PM)tiger-tug Wrote:  Mr. Penny Lane
WHATEVER YOU SAY! I BET YOU ARE NEITHER A SEASON TICKET HOLDER NOR A TSF DONOR.
I WILL NOT ARGUE WITH YOU.
YOU ARE RIGHT!
I HAVE NO DESIRE TO DEAL WITH THIS **** ON A DAILY BASIS
BLESS YOUR HEART!

Tiger tugger? If you had read the thread before jumping in on the very end you would know better. Going by your post you may not have the best reading or writing SKILZS,

(05-02-2016 11:05 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(05-02-2016 10:58 PM)tiger-tug Wrote:  Bob Huggins, Rick Pitino, Bill Self, Nolan Richardson, Bruce Pearl, John Chaney, Bobby Knight, Jim Boeheim.
ALL OF THESE COACHES HAVE SAID, KEEP THE GAME CLOSE UNTIL THE LAST THREE MINUTES BECAUSE CAL CAN'T COACH.
SO, THEY ARE MORONS TOO.

I would say Cal is an average coach. Excellent recruiter, and motivater. I'm not a big fan of Self, but everyone else on your list is way better than Cal.

I would say neither of you know squat about coaching a high level game except reading what the media and others are saying. Question: Why do you think Cal is in HOF and Tubby and several above listed coaches are NOT?

(05-02-2016 10:54 PM)tiger-tug Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 04:30 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 04:07 PM)tiger-tug Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 12:10 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 12:06 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  [quote='Penny Lane' pid='13234526' dateline='1462074630']

HIS ARE MOSTLY FRESHMEN!! Duh!!!

Who are a few months from the NBA.

And what might that have to do with taking a team of 4-5 freshman and playing a veteran laden Nova type team that is pretty good and experienced along with having been to tourney a few times? UConn was another good example of that type of team. Not the most talented but hit a run.

RESPECTFULLY!
Have you ever played on an organized basketball team?

Yes since I was six. Vs and with guys in local colleges including Memphis St (one F4 player among others), CBC, etc. Also Baylor, Missouri Rolla.

WHAT ABOUT YOU-YOU PLAY? What is your point? Does that make me more knowledgeable? Maybe.

If you think Cal can't coach you are a moron. Not in HOF for no reason. Take off your blinders and ask coaches, media and players about his coaching ability. The only people who think he can't coach are on this forum. Tired of hearing this BS.
[/quote

Yes, I have with real teams.
YOU KEEP DOING YOU!
IF YOU THINK CAL IS A GREAT COACH, I CAN'T HELP OR SAVE YOU.

What level have you played?

(05-02-2016 01:40 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(04-30-2016 05:45 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-30-2016 02:11 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  You can't run the Derby with a mule

Unless you're Gregg Marshall.

Or Brad Stevens.

Yep. Perfect example.

Butler recruiting classes according to ESPN (Grade 90 or above, 4 stars and 5 stars bolded)

2007 - 4 commits, 2 with 81 grade, one JC, one not rated.
2008 - 5 commits, one with 87 grade, 4 not rated.
2009 - 1 commit 88 grade
2010 - 3 commits grades 92, 84, 74 (1 ESPN 100, zero 3* or above)
2011 - 4 commits, one Intl., other 3 grades 91, 88, 87 (1 ESPN 100, 2-3*, zero 4*, zero 5*)

Let's compare to the Pastner stable. (Grade 90 or above, 4 stars and 5 stars bolded)


2009 - 3 commits, 1 transfer, 1 JC, 1 grade 90
2010 - 8 commits, grades 97, 96, 95, 94, 91, 87 (4 ESPN 100)
2011 - 2 commits, 1 grade 97, 1 JC (1 ESPN 100 1-5*)
2012 - 3 commits, 1 JC, 2 grades 96, 92 (1 ESPN 100 1-5*, 1-4*)
2013 - 6 commits, grades 92, 89, 88, 82, 82, 78 (5 ESPN 100, 1-5*, 4-4*, 1-3*)

For perspective, DJ Stephens was a grade 90.

You can't run the Derby without a trainer.

(05-03-2016 01:41 AM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  

(05-02-2016 01:40 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(04-30-2016 05:45 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-30-2016 02:11 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  You can't run the Derby with a mule

Unless you're Gregg Marshall.

Or Brad Stevens.

Yep. Perfect example.

Butler recruiting classes according to ESPN (Grade 90 or above, 4 stars and 5 stars bolded)

2007 - 4 commits, 2 with 81 grade, one JC, one not rated.
2008 - 5 commits, one with 87 grade, 4 not rated.
2009 - 1 commit 88 grade
2010 - 3 commits grades 92, 84, 74 (1 ESPN 100, zero 3* or above)
2011 - 4 commits, one Intl., other 3 grades 91, 88, 87 (1 ESPN 100, 2-3*, zero 4*, zero 5*)

Let's compare to the Pastner stable. (Grade 90 or above, 4 stars and 5 stars bolded)


2009 - 3 commits, 1 transfer, 1 JC, 1 grade 90
2010 - 8 commits, grades 97, 96, 95, 94, 91, 87 (4 ESPN 100)
2011 - 2 commits, 1 grade 97, 1 JC (1 ESPN 100 1-5*)
2012 - 3 commits, 1 JC, 2 grades 96, 92 (1 ESPN 100 1-5*, 1-4*)
2013 - 6 commits, grades 92, 89, 88, 82, 82, 78 (5 ESPN 100, 1-5*, 4-4*, 1-3*)

For perspective, DJ Stephens was a grade 90.

You can't run the Derby without a trainer.

Every national champion since 1980 has been won by blue blood except for 2 by Fla, Arkansas and UNLV. Thats 33 of 37. Look it up.

(05-03-2016 01:53 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(05-03-2016 01:41 AM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  

(05-02-2016 01:40 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(04-30-2016 05:45 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-30-2016 02:11 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  You can't run the Derby with a mule

Unless you're Gregg Marshall.

Or Brad Stevens.

Yep. Perfect example.

Butler recruiting classes according to ESPN (Grade 90 or above, 4 stars and 5 stars bolded)

2007 - 4 commits, 2 with 81 grade, one JC, one not rated.
2008 - 5 commits, one with 87 grade, 4 not rated.
2009 - 1 commit 88 grade
2010 - 3 commits grades 92, 84, 74 (1 ESPN 100, zero 3* or above)
2011 - 4 commits, one Intl., other 3 grades 91, 88, 87 (1 ESPN 100, 2-3*, zero 4*, zero 5*)

Let's compare to the Pastner stable. (Grade 90 or above, 4 stars and 5 stars bolded)


2009 - 3 commits, 1 transfer, 1 JC, 1 grade 90
2010 - 8 commits, grades 97, 96, 95, 94, 91, 87 (4 ESPN 100)
2011 - 2 commits, 1 grade 97, 1 JC (1 ESPN 100 1-5*)
2012 - 3 commits, 1 JC, 2 grades 96, 92 (1 ESPN 100 1-5*, 1-4*)
2013 - 6 commits, grades 92, 89, 88, 82, 82, 78 (5 ESPN 100, 1-5*, 4-4*, 1-3*)

For perspective, DJ Stephens was a grade 90.

You can't run the Derby without a trainer.

Every national champion since 1980 has been won by blue blood except for 2 by Fla, Arkansas and UNLV. Thats 33 of 37. Look it up.

I am glad that you agree with me. With the right coach you can compete at a high level without the "blueblood" recruits.

(05-03-2016 01:53 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(05-03-2016 01:41 AM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  

(05-02-2016 01:40 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(04-30-2016 05:45 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-30-2016 02:11 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  You can't run the Derby with a mule

Unless you're Gregg Marshall.

Or Brad Stevens.

Yep. Perfect example.

Butler recruiting classes according to ESPN (Grade 90 or above, 4 stars and 5 stars bolded)

2007 - 4 commits, 2 with 81 grade, one JC, one not rated.
2008 - 5 commits, one with 87 grade, 4 not rated.
2009 - 1 commit 88 grade
2010 - 3 commits grades 92, 84, 74 (1 ESPN 100, zero 3* or above)
2011 - 4 commits, one Intl., other 3 grades 91, 88, 87 (1 ESPN 100, 2-3*, zero 4*, zero 5*)

Let's compare to the Pastner stable. (Grade 90 or above, 4 stars and 5 stars bolded)


2009 - 3 commits, 1 transfer, 1 JC, 1 grade 90
2010 - 8 commits, grades 97, 96, 95, 94, 91, 87 (4 ESPN 100)
2011 - 2 commits, 1 grade 97, 1 JC (1 ESPN 100 1-5*)
2012 - 3 commits, 1 JC, 2 grades 96, 92 (1 ESPN 100 1-5*, 1-4*)
2013 - 6 commits, grades 92, 89, 88, 82, 82, 78 (5 ESPN 100, 1-5*, 4-4*, 1-3*)

For perspective, DJ Stephens was a grade 90.

You can't run the Derby without a trainer.

Every national champion since 1980 has been won by blue blood except for 2 by Fla, Arkansas and UNLV. Thats 33 of 37. Look it up.

Don't know if you realize this or not but this actually weakens your argument on Cal's coaching ability.

Either way, he's a very good coach but I don't see why he comes up in endless threads 7 years later. It's like some fans can't get over a breakup and won't let the person go.

(05-03-2016 01:53 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(05-03-2016 01:41 AM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  

(05-02-2016 01:40 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(04-30-2016 05:45 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-30-2016 02:11 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  You can't run the Derby with a mule

Unless you're Gregg Marshall.

Or Brad Stevens.

Yep. Perfect example.

Butler recruiting classes according to ESPN (Grade 90 or above, 4 stars and 5 stars bolded)

2007 - 4 commits, 2 with 81 grade, one JC, one not rated.
2008 - 5 commits, one with 87 grade, 4 not rated.
2009 - 1 commit 88 grade
2010 - 3 commits grades 92, 84, 74 (1 ESPN 100, zero 3* or above)
2011 - 4 commits, one Intl., other 3 grades 91, 88, 87 (1 ESPN 100, 2-3*, zero 4*, zero 5*)

Let's compare to the Pastner stable. (Grade 90 or above, 4 stars and 5 stars bolded)


2009 - 3 commits, 1 transfer, 1 JC, 1 grade 90
2010 - 8 commits, grades 97, 96, 95, 94, 91, 87 (4 ESPN 100)
2011 - 2 commits, 1 grade 97, 1 JC (1 ESPN 100 1-5*)
2012 - 3 commits, 1 JC, 2 grades 96, 92 (1 ESPN 100 1-5*, 1-4*)
2013 - 6 commits, grades 92, 89, 88, 82, 82, 78 (5 ESPN 100, 1-5*, 4-4*, 1-3*)

For perspective, DJ Stephens was a grade 90.

You can't run the Derby without a trainer.

Every national champion since 1980 has been won by blue blood except for 2 by Fla, Arkansas and UNLV. Thats 33 of 37. Look it up.

"Blue blood" is a subjective term. Villanova is not a traditional blue blood. Neither is Syracuse, Maryland, Michigan State, Arkinsaw, Florida, Michigan, UNLV, Georgetown, or NC State. Heck, UConn - although they've won over the past 15 years - is not a traditional blue blood. What those schools have/had were coaches that could lead the program. And usually it was just a single abnormal coach for them, when you look back through their history. But they absolutely were not schools who could just take applications from recruits and pick whomever they want.

I would list Kansas, UCLA, Kentucky, North Carolina, Duke, and Indiana as traditional blue bloods in my book. I might have missed one, but when that term is used, those are the schools I think of.

(05-03-2016 08:33 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(05-03-2016 01:53 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(05-03-2016 01:41 AM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  

(05-02-2016 01:40 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(04-30-2016 05:45 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Unless you're Gregg Marshall.

Or Brad Stevens.

Yep. Perfect example.

Butler recruiting classes according to ESPN (Grade 90 or above, 4 stars and 5 stars bolded)

2007 - 4 commits, 2 with 81 grade, one JC, one not rated.
2008 - 5 commits, one with 87 grade, 4 not rated.
2009 - 1 commit 88 grade
2010 - 3 commits grades 92, 84, 74 (1 ESPN 100, zero 3* or above)
2011 - 4 commits, one Intl., other 3 grades 91, 88, 87 (1 ESPN 100, 2-3*, zero 4*, zero 5*)

Let's compare to the Pastner stable. (Grade 90 or above, 4 stars and 5 stars bolded)


2009 - 3 commits, 1 transfer, 1 JC, 1 grade 90
2010 - 8 commits, grades 97, 96, 95, 94, 91, 87 (4 ESPN 100)
2011 - 2 commits, 1 grade 97, 1 JC (1 ESPN 100 1-5*)
2012 - 3 commits, 1 JC, 2 grades 96, 92 (1 ESPN 100 1-5*, 1-4*)
2013 - 6 commits, grades 92, 89, 88, 82, 82, 78 (5 ESPN 100, 1-5*, 4-4*, 1-3*)

For perspective, DJ Stephens was a grade 90.

You can't run the Derby without a trainer.

Every national champion since 1980 has been won by blue blood except for 2 by Fla, Arkansas and UNLV. Thats 33 of 37. Look it up.

"Blue blood" is a subjective term. Villanova is not a traditional blue blood. Neither is Syracuse, Maryland, Michigan State, Arkinsaw, Florida, Michigan, UNLV, Georgetown, or NC State. Heck, UConn - although they've won over the past 15 years - is not a traditional blue blood. What those schools have/had were coaches that could lead the program. And usually it was just a single abnormal coach for them, when you look back through their history. But they absolutely were not schools who could just take applications from recruits and pick whomever they want.

You did not know UConn men have won 4 national championships with multiple coaches? If that's not a blue blood program, not sure what your definition would be.

(05-03-2016 08:51 AM)ballhog Wrote:  I would list Kansas, UCLA, Kentucky, North Carolina, Duke, and Indiana as traditional blue bloods in my book. I might have missed one, but when that term is used, those are the schools I think of.

Yeah, I agree, ball hog. I was thinking of my list and had actually forgotten Duke. I don't consider much more than these to be "bluebloods" in the basketball sense.

(04-29-2016 09:49 PM)tom82 Wrote:  

(04-29-2016 08:03 PM)former guest Wrote:  From the video on Tubby's first day, where he met the returning players, I bet it really did bother him with the sitting handshakes he received from the team upon his entrance to the room. I guess he knows he has some work to do in the respect department with this group.

I am so glad to have an adult back in charge of things. He is just what we need around here, in spite of what the moron miserables say.

Where can I find the video of the players sitting while shaking Tubby's hand? I've got to see the depths to which Josh sunk us.....

Sorry that is not on JP. That is on the parents.

(05-03-2016 05:47 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(05-03-2016 08:33 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(05-03-2016 01:53 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(05-03-2016 01:41 AM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  

(05-02-2016 01:40 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  Or Brad Stevens.

Yep. Perfect example.

Butler recruiting classes according to ESPN (Grade 90 or above, 4 stars and 5 stars bolded)

2007 - 4 commits, 2 with 81 grade, one JC, one not rated.
2008 - 5 commits, one with 87 grade, 4 not rated.
2009 - 1 commit 88 grade
2010 - 3 commits grades 92, 84, 74 (1 ESPN 100, zero 3* or above)
2011 - 4 commits, one Intl., other 3 grades 91, 88, 87 (1 ESPN 100, 2-3*, zero 4*, zero 5*)

Let's compare to the Pastner stable. (Grade 90 or above, 4 stars and 5 stars bolded)


2009 - 3 commits, 1 transfer, 1 JC, 1 grade 90
2010 - 8 commits, grades 97, 96, 95, 94, 91, 87 (4 ESPN 100)
2011 - 2 commits, 1 grade 97, 1 JC (1 ESPN 100 1-5*)
2012 - 3 commits, 1 JC, 2 grades 96, 92 (1 ESPN 100 1-5*, 1-4*)
2013 - 6 commits, grades 92, 89, 88, 82, 82, 78 (5 ESPN 100, 1-5*, 4-4*, 1-3*)

For perspective, DJ Stephens was a grade 90.

You can't run the Derby without a trainer.

Every national champion since 1980 has been won by blue blood except for 2 by Fla, Arkansas and UNLV. Thats 33 of 37. Look it up.

"Blue blood" is a subjective term. Villanova is not a traditional blue blood. Neither is Syracuse, Maryland, Michigan State, Arkinsaw, Florida, Michigan, UNLV, Georgetown, or NC State. Heck, UConn - although they've won over the past 15 years - is not a traditional blue blood. What those schools have/had were coaches that could lead the program. And usually it was just a single abnormal coach for them, when you look back through their history. But they absolutely were not schools who could just take applications from recruits and pick whomever they want.

You did not know UConn men have won 4 national championships with multiple coaches? If that's not a blue blood program, not sure what your definition would be.

They are not blue blood because their academics are not that great.

(05-03-2016 08:33 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(05-03-2016 01:53 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(05-03-2016 01:41 AM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  

(05-02-2016 01:40 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(04-30-2016 05:45 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Unless you're Gregg Marshall.

Or Brad Stevens.

Yep. Perfect example.

Butler recruiting classes according to ESPN (Grade 90 or above, 4 stars and 5 stars bolded)

2007 - 4 commits, 2 with 81 grade, one JC, one not rated.
2008 - 5 commits, one with 87 grade, 4 not rated.
2009 - 1 commit 88 grade
2010 - 3 commits grades 92, 84, 74 (1 ESPN 100, zero 3* or above)
2011 - 4 commits, one Intl., other 3 grades 91, 88, 87 (1 ESPN 100, 2-3*, zero 4*, zero 5*)

Let's compare to the Pastner stable. (Grade 90 or above, 4 stars and 5 stars bolded)


2009 - 3 commits, 1 transfer, 1 JC, 1 grade 90
2010 - 8 commits, grades 97, 96, 95, 94, 91, 87 (4 ESPN 100)
2011 - 2 commits, 1 grade 97, 1 JC (1 ESPN 100 1-5*)
2012 - 3 commits, 1 JC, 2 grades 96, 92 (1 ESPN 100 1-5*, 1-4*)
2013 - 6 commits, grades 92, 89, 88, 82, 82, 78 (5 ESPN 100, 1-5*, 4-4*, 1-3*)

For perspective, DJ Stephens was a grade 90.

You can't run the Derby without a trainer.

Every national champion since 1980 has been won by blue blood except for 2 by Fla, Arkansas and UNLV. Thats 33 of 37. Look it up.

"Blue blood" is a subjective term. Villanova is not a traditional blue blood. Neither is Syracuse, Maryland, Michigan State, Arkinsaw, Florida, Michigan, UNLV, Georgetown, or NC State. Heck, UConn - although they've won over the past 15 years - is not a traditional blue blood. What those schools have/had were coaches that could lead the program. And usually it was just a single abnormal coach for them, when you look back through their history. But they absolutely were not schools who could just take applications from recruits and pick whomever they want.

Read the post "Every national champion since 1980" Missed Maryland; they are not blue blood. I listed Fla, Ark and UNLV as not BB. Uconn has more NC than Kansas and Louisville for instance-definite blue blood. I think many forget how the others stack up with the group of 5 or 6 several mention.

(05-03-2016 08:14 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(05-03-2016 05:47 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(05-03-2016 08:33 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(05-03-2016 01:53 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(05-03-2016 01:41 AM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  Yep. Perfect example.

Butler recruiting classes according to ESPN (Grade 90 or above, 4 stars and 5 stars bolded)

2007 - 4 commits, 2 with 81 grade, one JC, one not rated.
2008 - 5 commits, one with 87 grade, 4 not rated.
2009 - 1 commit 88 grade
2010 - 3 commits grades 92, 84, 74 (1 ESPN 100, zero 3* or above)
2011 - 4 commits, one Intl., other 3 grades 91, 88, 87 (1 ESPN 100, 2-3*, zero 4*, zero 5*)

Let's compare to the Pastner stable. (Grade 90 or above, 4 stars and 5 stars bolded)


2009 - 3 commits, 1 transfer, 1 JC, 1 grade 90
2010 - 8 commits, grades 97, 96, 95, 94, 91, 87 (4 ESPN 100)
2011 - 2 commits, 1 grade 97, 1 JC (1 ESPN 100 1-5*)
2012 - 3 commits, 1 JC, 2 grades 96, 92 (1 ESPN 100 1-5*, 1-4*)
2013 - 6 commits, grades 92, 89, 88, 82, 82, 78 (5 ESPN 100, 1-5*, 4-4*, 1-3*)

For perspective, DJ Stephens was a grade 90.

You can't run the Derby without a trainer.

Every national champion since 1980 has been won by blue blood except for 2 by Fla, Arkansas and UNLV. Thats 33 of 37. Look it up.

"Blue blood" is a subjective term. Villanova is not a traditional blue blood. Neither is Syracuse, Maryland, Michigan State, Arkinsaw, Florida, Michigan, UNLV, Georgetown, or NC State. Heck, UConn - although they've won over the past 15 years - is not a traditional blue blood. What those schools have/had were coaches that could lead the program. And usually it was just a single abnormal coach for them, when you look back through their history. But they absolutely were not schools who could just take applications from recruits and pick whomever they want.

You did not know UConn men have won 4 national championships with multiple coaches? If that's not a blue blood program, not sure what your definition would be.

They are not blue blood because their academics are not that great.

Academics have nothing to do with it or Ky certainly would not be on everyone's list.

Tech fan here. Tubby definitely resuscitated the near corpse that was our basketball program and left it in MUCH better shape than he found it. He's a great coach. That said, Chris Beard is a better long term fit in Lubbock. He was a Tech assistant coach for 10 years, has 3 daughters living nearby, and he knows how to recruit to Tech. This was an accidental win-win for both schools. And that's the best kind of win-win. Lol. Good luck next season Tigers.

P.S. This afternoon I read UM's pitch/presentation booklet for Big 12 membership. Obviously I'm no decision maker but it showed UM is a much better candidate than I had previously believed. Someone posted it on RedRaiderSports.com (a Rivals pay-site...sorry) and it's received mostly positive r views.

(05-03-2016 08:16 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(05-03-2016 08:33 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(05-03-2016 01:53 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(05-03-2016 01:41 AM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  

(05-02-2016 01:40 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  Or Brad Stevens.

Yep. Perfect example.

Butler recruiting classes according to ESPN (Grade 90 or above, 4 stars and 5 stars bolded)

2007 - 4 commits, 2 with 81 grade, one JC, one not rated.
2008 - 5 commits, one with 87 grade, 4 not rated.
2009 - 1 commit 88 grade
2010 - 3 commits grades 92, 84, 74 (1 ESPN 100, zero 3* or above)
2011 - 4 commits, one Intl., other 3 grades 91, 88, 87 (1 ESPN 100, 2-3*, zero 4*, zero 5*)

Let's compare to the Pastner stable. (Grade 90 or above, 4 stars and 5 stars bolded)


2009 - 3 commits, 1 transfer, 1 JC, 1 grade 90
2010 - 8 commits, grades 97, 96, 95, 94, 91, 87 (4 ESPN 100)
2011 - 2 commits, 1 grade 97, 1 JC (1 ESPN 100 1-5*)
2012 - 3 commits, 1 JC, 2 grades 96, 92 (1 ESPN 100 1-5*, 1-4*)
2013 - 6 commits, grades 92, 89, 88, 82, 82, 78 (5 ESPN 100, 1-5*, 4-4*, 1-3*)

For perspective, DJ Stephens was a grade 90.

You can't run the Derby without a trainer.

Every national champion since 1980 has been won by blue blood except for 2 by Fla, Arkansas and UNLV. Thats 33 of 37. Look it up.

"Blue blood" is a subjective term. Villanova is not a traditional blue blood. Neither is Syracuse, Maryland, Michigan State, Arkinsaw, Florida, Michigan, UNLV, Georgetown, or NC State. Heck, UConn - although they've won over the past 15 years - is not a traditional blue blood. What those schools have/had were coaches that could lead the program. And usually it was just a single abnormal coach for them, when you look back through their history. But they absolutely were not schools who could just take applications from recruits and pick whomever they want.

Read the post "Every national champion since 1980" Missed Maryland; they are not blue blood. I listed Fla, Ark and UNLV as not BB. Uconn has more NC than Kansas and Louisville for instance-definite blue blood. I think many forget how the others stack up with the group of 5 or 6 several mention.

Read your own post. You consider Syracuse, Mich State, Michigan, Zona, NC State and Georgetown blue blood? Big stretch.

We can debate UConn. They did nothing until Calhoun arrived. Great success since, no doubt. But a bit too "modern era" to be considered a blue blood IMO.

You act like 31 of 36 are won by true blue bloods. Actually about 20 of 36. You missed about 11 over your time line.

(05-03-2016 09:43 PM)FreshPrinceOfDarkness Wrote:  Tech fan here. Tubby definitely resuscitated the near corpse that was our basketball program and left it in MUCH better shape than he found it. He's a great coach. That said, Chris Beard is a better long term fit in Lubbock. He was a Tech assistant coach for 10 years, has 3 daughters living nearby, and he knows how to recruit to Tech. This was an accidental win-win for both schools. And that's the best kind of win-win. Lol. Good luck next season Tigers.

P.S. This afternoon I read UM's pitch/presentation booklet for Big 12 membership. Obviously I'm no decision maker but it showed UM is a much better candidate than I had previously believed. Someone posted it on RedRaiderSports.com (a Rivals pay-site...sorry) and it's received mostly positive r views.

I think you may be right. Beard is a better fit for TT and Tubby is a better fit for Memphis. UNLV may have also gotten a better fit for their program.

I'm guessing GT is the only loser on this merry go round.