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RE: Tubby Smith’s decision on Lawson could have major impact on program
(04-24-2016 10:03 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Keelon ain't to blame dumbazzes

I didn't say he is and don't care. My concern is letting a 3rd assistant coach position decision potentially set the program's current and potential talent level way way back.
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Tubby Smith’s decision on Lawson could have major impact on program
(04-24-2016 10:08 AM)k2tigers Wrote:  
(04-24-2016 10:03 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Keelon ain't to blame dumbazzes

I didn't say he is and don't care. My concern is letting a 3rd assistant coach position decision potentially set the program's current and potential talent level way way back.

Some idiots won't understand. You gotta keep ignoring that poster
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RE: Tubby Smith’s decision on Lawson could have major impact on program
(04-24-2016 09:55 AM)TigerSeth Wrote:  Send the Lawson's packing....all of them.

Why? Why not just leave things as they are an revisit this next year?
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RE: Tubby Smith’s decision on Lawson could have major impact on program
(04-24-2016 10:32 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(04-24-2016 09:55 AM)TigerSeth Wrote:  Send the Lawson's packing....all of them.

Why? Why not just leave things as they are an revisit this next year?

Because you tell the whole world that you are willing to give up morals and character to win. I say dump him or offer a lesser position and see if they bolt. Call their bluff. This is bulls#it at the grandest scale of college recruiting, if someone else wants them so be it.
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RE: Tubby Smith’s decision on Lawson could have major impact on program
(04-24-2016 10:32 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(04-24-2016 09:55 AM)TigerSeth Wrote:  Send the Lawson's packing....all of them.

Why? Why not just leave things as they are an revisit this next year?

Spot on. Dad could benefit with a year under Tubby and compamy.
He would increase his chances of staying on as asst.

Tubby jr can join the staff in some capacity.
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RE: Tubby Smith’s decision on Lawson could have major impact on program
(04-24-2016 10:31 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  
(04-24-2016 10:08 AM)k2tigers Wrote:  
(04-24-2016 10:03 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Keelon ain't to blame dumbazzes

I didn't say he is and don't care. My concern is letting a 3rd assistant coach position decision potentially set the program's current and potential talent level way way back.

Some idiots won't understand. You gotta keep ignoring that poster

Keelon isn't the issue.

Blame Bowen and/or Rudd for this.
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^^ this should never have gone public

not a good look
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RE: Tubby Smith’s decision on Lawson could have major impact on program
(04-24-2016 10:01 AM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  You scorn Keelon, then you don't get his current sons, but more importantly, you don't get his future 5 star top 10 younger sons. You also don't get any other future star player that Keelon is connected with. Same thing if you scorn Penny..

Doing these things would be huge mistakes. The only 5 stars you're going to get here are kids that are from here. (Unless you're calipari, of course)

So what there are a bunch of top 10 players you won't get (and I don't think Chandler is a future top 10). You wont get most of them.

Folks have gotten so used to Pastner and in a way Calipari that they have forgotten that many coaches win all of the time with 4 and 3 star players and now they are accustomed to coaches that need a roster littered with top 50 players to win anything.
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RE: Tubby Smith’s decision on Lawson could have major impact on program
Coaches hired to bring players get fired the minute the don't.

Happened at Baylor with John Wall's 'guy'.

Happened at Arizona State with Thon Maker's guy.

Keelon was hired as an assistant coach to bring players and he did. He left a meeting with Bowen and/or Rudd believing he would keep his job.

The issue is NOT Keelon.
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RE: Tubby Smith’s decision on Lawson could have major impact on program
(04-24-2016 09:48 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  Keep Lawson for next year; reevaluate then. There's nothing difficult about it.

EXACTLY ^^^. Better Call Saul and tell him that he will be DBO this year and then the situation may be re-evaluated. We are already going to be very limited on players for next year. Pissing of the Lawson's at this point, just worsens the situation. Tubby needs to try to have a decently successful 1st season and then build on that momentum. Easier to build off of 20-10 instead of a 10-20.

Just make this "issue" go away. Call it all a miscommunication, sing kumbaya.
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(04-24-2016 09:20 AM)papajohn Wrote:  I have lost all respect for the Lawson clan (adults, not kids) for handling this in such a classless, public manner and for putting Tubby in this no-win situation so early in his tenure. I don't know what Tubby should do, and I would hate to lose the Lawson boys, but I am upset at the way the Lawson adults have chosen to approach this.

^^^^
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RE: Tubby Smith’s decision on Lawson could have major impact on program
(04-24-2016 11:29 AM)dwash Wrote:  
(04-24-2016 10:01 AM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  You scorn Keelon, then you don't get his current sons, but more importantly, you don't get his future 5 star top 10 younger sons. You also don't get any other future star player that Keelon is connected with. Same thing if you scorn Penny..

Doing these things would be huge mistakes. The only 5 stars you're going to get here are kids that are from here. (Unless you're calipari, of course)

So what there are a bunch of top 10 players you won't get (and I don't think Chandler is a future top 10). You wont get most of them.

Folks have gotten so used to Pastner and in a way Calipari that they have forgotten that many coaches win all of the time with 4 and 3 star players and now they are accustomed to coaches that need a roster littered with top 50 players to win anything.

This. Tubby could probably take 2 and 3 star players and coach circles around some guys with 4 and 5 star players. Talent is big but it isn't everything.
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RE: Tubby Smith’s decision on Lawson could have major impact on program
(04-24-2016 09:22 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  
(04-24-2016 08:01 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  This board is something else. After a max of about 4 days of relative peace after dumping Pastner and hiring Tubby, it seems back to its usual self.

Maybe it's just the usual sports doldrums for this time of year.

Is it this boards fault when people who are supposedly good businessmen make rash decisions on hiring a coach without weighing all the options? Someone lied to Keelon and this is news. This message board isn't the reason Josh Pastner was a bad coach nor is it the reason the UofM is in this current soap opera.

Good grief smh

No one lied to Keelon. Even if they did...If Keelon was naive enough to believe he was perfectly safe after a HC change, then that's on him.

I said all along when we were looking for a coach - I hope he keeps Keelon, but perfectly understand if he lets him go. Clean slate and all. I thought you actually said that we needed a clean slate from the "clown show".

No problems at all with whatever decision is reached. Just wish bro Lawson wasn't running to the media and airing it all out. He thinks he's helping his bro, but he's actually hurting the long term. Talk about damaging relationships all around Memphis, bro Lawson is showing how to do it.
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RE: Tubby Smith’s decision on Lawson could have major impact on program
(04-24-2016 09:23 AM)dfwtxtiger Wrote:  Dad needs to suck it up and be grateful that he can still have a position at Memphis. Most parents I know, would do anything for their kids, if it helps the child succeed.
A rational parent could see the benefits of staying on, even in a different position.
The sons will get much better coaching this year, and both have an opportunity to improve and help their draft status.

If I was in that position, my kids come first. I would move down the totem pole, so my kids could have better teachers, coaches, etc.
But this idea that he thinks he is better than the program, and possibly hampering his kids' career, is childish and immature.
He should be saying "what can I do to get better and help this program, as well as my sons", instead of having family members put Tubby and the school in a spot.

You. can't. demote. Keelon...It's AC or nothing.
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RE: Tubby Smith’s decision on Lawson could have major impact on program
No 3rd assistant will have anywhere close to the impact that Keelon will next year. And if he's replaced with Saul f'n Smith, I'll be seriously pissed.
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This is something that should have been discussed and settled before the hire.
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(04-24-2016 12:02 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  No 3rd assistant will have anywhere close to the impact that Keelon will next year. And if he's replaced with Saul f'n Smith, I'll be seriously pissed.

agreed...

you want to bring all 3 TTech assts with you, and start over? meh, I guess OK

you want to move Lawson from asst coach just to bring in your kid (with a DWI) as an asst? that's messed up...I kinda understand Lawson being mad if that's the case.

Saul can be DBO...that's a 'promotion' from video coordinator
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(04-24-2016 12:05 PM)msu65 Wrote:  This is something that should have been discussed and settled before the hire.

also agreed...I can't believe this is being played out in public.
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I could not believe this was not worked out before Tubby was hired. Soap opera describes this perfectly as a previous poster said.
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RE: Tubby Smith’s decision on Lawson could have major impact on program
(04-24-2016 11:29 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Coaches hired to bring players get fired the minute the don't.

Happened at Baylor with John Wall's 'guy'.

Happened at Arizona State with Thon Maker's guy.

Keelon was hired as an assistant coach to bring players and he did. He left a meeting with Bowen and/or Rudd believing he would keep his job.

The issue is NOT Keelon.

Grow up. It is college athletics. Where sometimes you get a job just because you have tall, talented kids. And sometimes you lose that job because your HC got run off. We're always reminded that you gotta play the fringes and gray areas to win big in college sports. It's a big boy game and not always pretty. Gotta know that going in. So if you need to hire a coach for their sons, fine. Also fine if you need to clean house and bring your own guys.
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