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OT: EMU Board of Regents Analyzing Football program
(04-23-2016 06:46 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-23-2016 01:17 PM)panama Wrote:  
(04-22-2016 08:59 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  EMU is a special case. They draw flies. EMU has not had a winning season in 20 years. EMU has had one tying season in 20 years (although they beat 2 FCS teams that year).

And they admit that they can't draw anyone, which is why they have that 'Pepsi deal'.

EMU isn't a start up program
EMU doesn't have anyone trying to torpedo their program either

Their 'butts in seats' attendance is in the below 3k range. Its never a good thing to lose a FBS member, but I simply can't make a case for them to stay.


Losing makes you lose in all phases of the program. You have to wonder how committed the admins traitor is though. Do they have the right AD? Are they willing to bring in the right HC and staff and pay them top dollar? If you're going to lose $52M at least let it be an investment in the future.

While Georgia State (and FIU/FAU) also have some attendance issues, EMU really is a special case.

Can EMU point to any recent success in football? No. Their best season in 20 years was 4-6 (plus 2 FCS wins). Ga State can say, "we're getting better". EMU? Nope.

EMU isn't a new program either. They've been around forever. The students and alumni just don't care. At all. Unlike Ga State, EMU isn't selling something new.

And EMU's attendance is a real problem. Excluding the 'Pepsi Games' (where Pepsi bought a bunch of empty seats from EMU to get them to the minimum every other year - now gone.), and subtracting family members of the players, the bands, and the opposing fans, its probable that EMU's true attendance is probably around 1,000 per game. 1,000 per game. Over the last 5 years.

Unlike UAB, there's apparently no plan to do anything about it either at EMU. There's no "we're raising real money from real donors to build a new OCS' (they already have one of those). There's no 'UAT is preventing us from making decisions to be competitive'. There's no nothing. Just continuing to flush more money down the drain.

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Its true that EMU dropping football might make Ga State's position a bit more uncomfortable. But that doesn't mean that EMU football makes sense at the FBS level. You guys can at least say...our attendance is improving (it is) and we're putting a credible product on the field (you are).


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Uncomfortable how? Just went to a bowl as fast or faster than any startup in history. Just purchased a MLB to renovate into an OCS. Just absorbed another school to become one of the largest schools in America. I will take GSU'S upside over just about any school in America. You're right though about EMU. There is no moment where you see them getting serious and turning things around. This is not Temple or UAB or Houston. You get the feeling that if they killed the program the reaction might be more of a Northeastern or Hofstra shoulder shrug.
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RE: OT: EMU Board of Regents Analyzing Football program
(04-23-2016 03:58 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(04-23-2016 12:44 PM)stodgdog Wrote:  
(04-22-2016 11:18 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  
(04-22-2016 10:04 PM)RamblinRedWolf44 Wrote:  Reading up on them a little bit, they actually had a very loyal fan base once upon a time, but once they decided to retire their old nickname (the "Hurons") it really split the fan base apparently. If memory serves me correctly, their's actually a separate EMU alumni association dedicated solely to the "Hurons".

ULM has a similar separation issue. When Northeast Louisiana changed its name to Louisiana Monore a lot of the alums who graduated from Northeast refused to join in the Louisiana Monroe name change. Now we have those who support ULM and those NLU fans who refuse to support ULM. They have a Facebook page and everything. It's pretty sad how some people just can't adapt to change.

There is nothing wrong with change when it is for the better. A lot of alumni of NLU were against the change because of the way it was handled and the deal that Lawson Swearigen made. Also, ULM has not reaped any discernible benefit from the name change as they have allowed the deal to benefit others while netting zero. It was a bad deal for NLU to begin with. Many people realized that.

Why was the name change so unpopular with ULM fans? To me, getting rid of a directional title would seen like a slight advantage.

It was unpopular because many felt it was done without "buy in" from alumni and it ignored tradition. The stated purpose, as I recall, was because of the negative perception of a directional school. Many never understood why @ X was going to change that perception. The name change was a train wreck as many predicted it would be. It takes two to tango and it hasn't happened. It was a bad law and has been exploited.
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Does anyone have any hard data that supports the claims that it was unpopular? Or are we just basing this all on posters on fan boards, and/or anecdotal stories?

SD: Why do you say that the change is a train wreck? And who has 'exploited' the name change? Is this the same entity from your post yesterday that you stated has been the only one to benefit from the name change?
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(04-23-2016 04:44 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  
(04-23-2016 12:44 PM)stodgdog Wrote:  
(04-22-2016 11:18 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  
(04-22-2016 10:04 PM)RamblinRedWolf44 Wrote:  Reading up on them a little bit, they actually had a very loyal fan base once upon a time, but once they decided to retire their old nickname (the "Hurons") it really split the fan base apparently. If memory serves me correctly, their's actually a separate EMU alumni association dedicated solely to the "Hurons".

ULM has a similar separation issue. When Northeast Louisiana changed its name to Louisiana Monore a lot of the alums who graduated from Northeast refused to join in the Louisiana Monroe name change. Now we have those who support ULM and those NLU fans who refuse to support ULM. They have a Facebook page and everything. It's pretty sad how some people just can't adapt to change.

There is nothing wrong with change when it is for the better. A lot of alumni of NLU were against the change because of the way it was handled and the deal that Lawson Swearigen made. Also, ULM has not reaped any discernible benefit from the name change as they have allowed the deal to benefit others while netting zero. It was a bad deal for NLU to begin with. Many people realized that.

What was the reasoning behind the name change?

Ostensibly, because of the negative perception (which may or may not exist) of directional schools.
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To be very clear, no one has 'exploited' the name change in Louisiana. Nor is it a 'train wreck.' Those are purely opinions/fiction.

And unless we get hard data, we will never know how popular or unpopular the change really was.
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(04-24-2016 11:19 AM)stodgdog Wrote:  
(04-23-2016 04:44 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  
(04-23-2016 12:44 PM)stodgdog Wrote:  
(04-22-2016 11:18 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  
(04-22-2016 10:04 PM)RamblinRedWolf44 Wrote:  Reading up on them a little bit, they actually had a very loyal fan base once upon a time, but once they decided to retire their old nickname (the "Hurons") it really split the fan base apparently. If memory serves me correctly, their's actually a separate EMU alumni association dedicated solely to the "Hurons".

ULM has a similar separation issue. When Northeast Louisiana changed its name to Louisiana Monore a lot of the alums who graduated from Northeast refused to join in the Louisiana Monroe name change. Now we have those who support ULM and those NLU fans who refuse to support ULM. They have a Facebook page and everything. It's pretty sad how some people just can't adapt to change.

There is nothing wrong with change when it is for the better. A lot of alumni of NLU were against the change because of the way it was handled and the deal that Lawson Swearigen made. Also, ULM has not reaped any discernible benefit from the name change as they have allowed the deal to benefit others while netting zero. It was a bad deal for NLU to begin with. Many people realized that.

What was the reasoning behind the name change?

Ostensibly, because of the negative perception (which may or may not exist) of directional schools.

That is unfortunate, it can take away the identity of the institution from the alumni. From what you've said earlier, that seems to be the case.

If we were ever changed to University of Georgia - Stateboro, I probably do the same thing.
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(04-24-2016 12:13 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  
(04-22-2016 11:18 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  ULM has a similar separation issue. When Northeast Louisiana changed its name to Louisiana Monore a lot of the alums who graduated from Northeast refused to join in the Louisiana Monroe name change. Now we have those who support ULM and those NLU fans who refuse to support ULM. They have a Facebook page and everything. It's pretty sad how some people just can't adapt to change.

That is unfortunate, it can take away the identity of the institution from the alumni. From what you've said earlier, that seems to be the case.

If we were ever changed to University of Georgia - Stateboro, I probably do the same thing.
Yes, I'm sure that it had a negative impact on some fans....especially older ones. Even though it was a good change, and ULM benefited from it on several fronts, such changes have can have a big impact. But as in most similar cases, as is the one, the impacts are short term only.

After all, I'm sure there are people who were upset over all those blacksmiths loosing jobs way back when. And I'm sure if Facebook had been around there would have been lots of pages concerning it.....but that doesn't mean that the change was wrong or inappropriate. Same thing here: most people are okay with it, and have moved on.

Certainly, nothing nefarious was involved with it...either before, during or after the change....as has been stated here.
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(04-24-2016 12:28 PM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  
(04-24-2016 12:13 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  
(04-22-2016 11:18 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  ULM has a similar separation issue. When Northeast Louisiana changed its name to Louisiana Monore a lot of the alums who graduated from Northeast refused to join in the Louisiana Monroe name change. Now we have those who support ULM and those NLU fans who refuse to support ULM. They have a Facebook page and everything. It's pretty sad how some people just can't adapt to change.

That is unfortunate, it can take away the identity of the institution from the alumni. From what you've said earlier, that seems to be the case.

If we were ever changed to University of Georgia - Stateboro, I probably do the same thing.
Yes, I'm sure that it had a negative impact on some fans....especially older ones. Even though it was a good change, and ULM benefited from it on several fronts, such changes have can have a big impact. But most similar cases, as is the one, are short term only.

After all, I'm sure there are people who were upset over all those blacksmiths loosing jobs way back when. And I'm sure if Facebook had been around there would have been lots of pages concerning it.....but that doesn't mean that the change was wrong or inappropriate. Same thing here; people have adjusted and moved on.

Agree to disagree.

Just because you don't see any negative effects, doesn't mean others don't. In fact I met an alum at the 2014 game and he had mentioned his same disdain.

I can understand the plight of NLU graduates, it seems like a silly political change to begin with.
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Texas State has negative repercussions from their name change. There are a plethora of SWT grads that refuse to recognize the change and refuse to have anything to do with their alma mater now. Bunches of them became longhorn fans because of it. TXST is having to build a new fan base from grads since 2003. Yes, there are those whose diplomas read SWT that still support the school but for every one of those I would bet there are 5 that washed their hands.
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(04-24-2016 12:13 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  
(04-24-2016 11:19 AM)stodgdog Wrote:  
(04-23-2016 04:44 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  
(04-23-2016 12:44 PM)stodgdog Wrote:  
(04-22-2016 11:18 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  ULM has a similar separation issue. When Northeast Louisiana changed its name to Louisiana Monore a lot of the alums who graduated from Northeast refused to join in the Louisiana Monroe name change. Now we have those who support ULM and those NLU fans who refuse to support ULM. They have a Facebook page and everything. It's pretty sad how some people just can't adapt to change.

There is nothing wrong with change when it is for the better. A lot of alumni of NLU were against the change because of the way it was handled and the deal that Lawson Swearigen made. Also, ULM has not reaped any discernible benefit from the name change as they have allowed the deal to benefit others while netting zero. It was a bad deal for NLU to begin with. Many people realized that.

What was the reasoning behind the name change?

Ostensibly, because of the negative perception (which may or may not exist) of directional schools.

That is unfortunate, it can take away the identity of the institution from the alumni. From what you've said earlier, that seems to be the case.

If we were ever changed to University of Georgia - Stateboro, I probably do the same thing.

Many did not see the change as being beneficial, replacing a directional name with @ Monroe and also believed they were excluded from the decision making process.

It will be a forgotten issue as time goes by.
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(04-24-2016 12:40 PM)CatMom Wrote:  Texas State has negative repercussions from their name change. There are a plethora of SWT grads that refuse to recognize the change and refuse to have anything to do with their alma mater now. Bunches of them became longhorn fans because of it. TXST is having to build a new fan base from grads since 2003. Yes, there are those whose diplomas read SWT that still support the school but for every one of those I would bet there are 5 that washed their hands.

This is really fascinating. I never that this was so pervasive. So far I have not heard anything related to Georgia Perimeter students revolting at being absorbed by GSU. It just seems like some people are never satisfied.
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How many students attend Georgia State?
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(04-24-2016 01:02 PM)stodgdog Wrote:  
(04-24-2016 12:13 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  
(04-24-2016 11:19 AM)stodgdog Wrote:  
(04-23-2016 04:44 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  What was the reasoning behind the name change?

Ostensibly, because of the negative perception (which may or may not exist) of directional schools.

That is unfortunate, it can take away the identity of the institution from the alumni. From what you've said earlier, that seems to be the case.

If we were ever changed to University of Georgia - Stateboro, I probably do the same thing.

Many did not see the change as being beneficial, replacing a directional name with @ Monroe and also believed they were excluded from the decision making process.

It will be a forgotten issue as time goes by.

At UTA, the Rebels-to-Mavericks change still riles many alums, and that took place '69-'71. When the NBA came to Dallas in 1980, the owner was a UTA alum and still thought his school was still the Rebels when he named his team. That came after a decade.
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(04-24-2016 03:03 PM)stodgdog Wrote:  How many students attend Georgia State?

54,000
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(04-24-2016 02:54 PM)panama Wrote:  
(04-24-2016 12:40 PM)CatMom Wrote:  Texas State has negative repercussions from their name change. There are a plethora of SWT grads that refuse to recognize the change and refuse to have anything to do with their alma mater now. Bunches of them became longhorn fans because of it. TXST is having to build a new fan base from grads since 2003. Yes, there are those whose diplomas read SWT that still support the school but for every one of those I would bet there are 5 that washed their hands.

This is really fascinating. I never that this was so pervasive. So far I have not heard anything related to Georgia Perimeter students revolting at being absorbed by GSU. It just seems like some people are never satisfied.

But isn't Perimeter a junior college or something like that? I would not expect juco students to rebel against becoming part of a significant, nationally-known university.
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(04-24-2016 01:02 PM)stodgdog Wrote:  
(04-24-2016 12:13 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  
(04-24-2016 11:19 AM)stodgdog Wrote:  
(04-23-2016 04:44 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  What was the reasoning behind the name change?

Ostensibly, because of the negative perception (which may or may not exist) of directional schools.

That is unfortunate, it can take away the identity of the institution from the alumni. From what you've said earlier, that seems to be the case.

If we were ever changed to University of Georgia - Stateboro, I probably do the same thing.

Many did not see the change as being beneficial, replacing a directional name with @ Monroe and also believed they were excluded from the decision making process.

It will be a forgotten issue as time goes by.

At UTA, the Rebels-to-Mavericks change still riles many alums, and that took place '69-'71. When the NBA came to Dallas in 1980, the owner was a UTA alum and still thought his school was still the Rebels when he named his team. That came after a decade.

That rebel nickname feels like a long, long time ago now. It was such a completely different era. The university has come so far since that time. I hope nobody is still getting heart burn over that long-settled issue. Life is too short.
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(04-24-2016 09:14 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Posted 2 years ago.

http://utamavericks.forumer.com/topic/13...x19WVI_qtM

We have a few of the same, but the whole issue was muted because in our first game as Red Wolves we beat Texas A&M. After a decade of losing as Indians it was sort of a sea-change, and before long we were winning. Winning begat attendance and donations and new facilities, etc. A snowball. That sort of thing makes a mascot change a whole lot easier.
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(04-24-2016 08:59 PM)UTArlingtonMaverick Wrote:  
(04-24-2016 02:54 PM)panama Wrote:  
(04-24-2016 12:40 PM)CatMom Wrote:  Texas State has negative repercussions from their name change. There are a plethora of SWT grads that refuse to recognize the change and refuse to have anything to do with their alma mater now. Bunches of them became longhorn fans because of it. TXST is having to build a new fan base from grads since 2003. Yes, there are those whose diplomas read SWT that still support the school but for every one of those I would bet there are 5 that washed their hands.

This is really fascinating. I never that this was so pervasive. So far I have not heard anything related to Georgia Perimeter students revolting at being absorbed by GSU. It just seems like some people are never satisfied.

But isn't Perimeter a junior college or something like that? I would not expect juco students to rebel against becoming part of a significant, nationally-known university.

This....students of Georgia Perimeter basically got an automatic "upgrade" in college status (upgrade is in quotes because it's a qualitative thought per student). I don't imagine there will be much strife...add to that the fact that Georgia State as a football team is still in the process of trying to start their original fanbase, so whether people leave or not is irrelevant. I would imagine that GaState's fanbase will fluctuate over the next few years more so on their on field successes/failures and less dependent on whether Ga Perimeter fans are bitter and choose not to support the movement. I think there will be less backlash than in the Kennesaw State/ Southern Poly merger.
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(04-24-2016 09:14 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Posted 2 years ago.

http://utamavericks.forumer.com/topic/13...x19WVI_qtM

We have a few of the same, but the whole issue was muted because in our first game as Red Wolves we beat Texas A&M. After a decade of losing as Indians it was sort of a sea-change, and before long we were winning. Winning begat attendance and donations and new facilities, etc. A snowball. That sort of thing makes a mascot change a whole lot easier.

I was at that game! Aggies were not happy as we descended down the stadium ramps.
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