Hoping for an all out ban....nothing outside the practice or playing facility of a school.It's gotten ridiculous....

(04-25-2016 07:47 PM)WhitetailWizard Wrote:  Hoping for an all out ban....nothing outside the practice or playing facility of a school.It's gotten ridiculous....

If you're going to ban them, you should just do a blanket ban and not have them at all.

(04-25-2016 07:47 PM)WhitetailWizard Wrote:  Hoping for an all out ban....nothing outside the practice or playing facility of a school.It's gotten ridiculous....

Department of Justice doing an inquiry on the ban and whether it violates anti-trust and educational access opportunities.

(04-25-2016 09:45 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-25-2016 07:47 PM)WhitetailWizard Wrote:  Hoping for an all out ban....nothing outside the practice or playing facility of a school.It's gotten ridiculous....

Department of Justice doing an inquiry on the ban and whether it violates anti-trust and educational access opportunities.

Satellite camp Executive Order ASAP!!!!!!!!!


Instead of the current 1 camp for every 3 FBS signees the ratio must be 1 camp per 1 FBS signee!

Mandatory 25% across the board hike on student fees to cover the cost of these already heavily subsidized programs! Moar student loans to cure this injustice!

(04-25-2016 09:45 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-25-2016 07:47 PM)WhitetailWizard Wrote:  Hoping for an all out ban....nothing outside the practice or playing facility of a school.It's gotten ridiculous....

Department of Justice doing an inquiry on the ban and whether it violates anti-trust and educational access opportunities.

DOJ may make more hay playing the other side on why some inner city kids have to "pay" for an athletic scholarship evaluation that kids from other schools kids get for free during spring evaluations.

Mohajir has said multiple times that he feels that the DOJ will step in on this because it violates Antitrust laws.

Essentially, the NCAA is attempting to tell schools that they can't recruit outside of their campus.

(04-26-2016 02:15 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Mohajir has said multiple times that he feels that the DOJ will step in on this because it violates Antitrust laws.

Essentially, the NCAA is attempting to tell schools that they can't recruit outside of their campus.

What about the other rules on limiting the number of contacts?

(04-26-2016 05:51 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 02:15 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Mohajir has said multiple times that he feels that the DOJ will step in on this because it violates Antitrust laws.

Essentially, the NCAA is attempting to tell schools that they can't recruit outside of their campus.

What about the other rules on limiting the number of contacts?

I'm actually in favor of reasonable camps but I'm not sure about antitrust laws. There are the other avenues of recruiting. Coaches hit the road and make visits all the time. Recruiting services. Hudl.

(04-26-2016 02:15 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Mohajir has said multiple times that he feels that the DOJ will step in on this because it violates Antitrust laws.

Essentially, the NCAA is attempting to tell schools that they can't recruit outside of their campus.

Of course schools are STILL allowed to recruit off campus under the previous guidelines.

(04-26-2016 05:51 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 02:15 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Mohajir has said multiple times that he feels that the DOJ will step in on this because it violates Antitrust laws.

Essentially, the NCAA is attempting to tell schools that they can't recruit outside of their campus.

What about the other rules on limiting the number of contacts?

Limiting contacts vs. limiting geographic region are apples and oranges.

Courts have held repeatedly that NCAA can limit schools for valid competitive reasons. Restricting the interactions within a state is not a valid competitive reason it is protectionism. Outright ban might pass the test but we've already seen that a majority of schools oppose that.

(04-26-2016 07:57 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 05:51 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 02:15 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Mohajir has said multiple times that he feels that the DOJ will step in on this because it violates Antitrust laws.

Essentially, the NCAA is attempting to tell schools that they can't recruit outside of their campus.

What about the other rules on limiting the number of contacts?

Limiting contacts vs. limiting geographic region are apples and oranges.

Courts have held repeatedly that NCAA can limit schools for valid competitive reasons. Restricting the interactions within a state is not a valid competitive reason it is protectionism. Outright ban might pass the test but we've already seen that a majority of schools oppose that.

I liked the idea of GS holding satellite camps around the state so I personally am disappointed by the NCAA ruling. Having learned about the huge number of overall camps it does seem excessive. I am all for the NCAA limiting the total number of Satellite camps (say 5 to 10 or so per school) but I can't support an outright ban on them. I mean if every FBS school hosts 5 satellite camps your talking something like 645 camps (about 13 for each state).

Just spit balling here but I think a good compromise plan would be for schools only allowed to host camps within their own state (and set a reasonable limit for off-site camps but could host unlimited on-site camps) but coaches would be permitted to work camps hosted by out of state schools.

I don't think anything needs to come out of DOJ on this.

But I think its a good thing for the NCAA to be reminded here and there that it is not all-powerful regarding college football and that there are greater powers out there.

Having to look over their shoulder a bit may refocus them on the good of the sport as opposed to the exclusive focus on greed, exclusivity, and territorialism they have right now.

(04-26-2016 10:17 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  I don't think anything needs to come out of DOJ on this.

But I think its a good thing for the NCAA to be reminded here and there that it is not all-powerful regarding college football and that there are greater powers out there.

Having to look over their shoulder a bit may refocus them on the good of the sport as opposed to the exclusive focus on greed, exclusivity, and territorialism they have right now.

Doubt DOJ plans to do diddly. They do informal inquiries frequently just to rattle cages and encourage entities to sort things out without their involvement. Before the inevitable political comment presidents of both parties have done this FREQUENTLY it just rarely makes news because everyone involved keeps their yap shut to not tip off private lawyers.

(04-26-2016 09:24 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  Just spit balling here but I think a good compromise plan would be for schools only allowed to host camps within their own state (and set a reasonable limit for off-site camps but could host unlimited on-site camps) but coaches would be permitted to work camps hosted by out of state schools.

That was basically the previous rule. You could host any canp you want within your state, but you could only travel out of state for a camp if another school was the host.

What you saw was SEC schools holding large camps in their campus for 300 plus kids, and coaching staffs for a couple G5 and FCS schools on campus as additional staff. The idea was that the majority of these kids would all think they were SEC worthy, so they'd camp at the SEC school, so the G5 and FCS schools would be on site to evaluate the large percentage of those who were clearly not SEC worthy, and perhaps offer them a scholarship.

What happened was that G5 schools started hosting P5 schools at camps. (Georgia State hosting Penn State as an example) and FCS schools started hosting P5 schools at camps, so schools like Michigan and Ohio State were able to recruit players in SEC country easily.

That royally ticked off the SEC and ACC who think they run the place, so they called for an outright ban...meaning now Alabama is still going to get 300 Kids at their camps, and essentially now gets pick of any player they want without competition.

(04-26-2016 10:50 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 09:24 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  Just spit balling here but I think a good compromise plan would be for schools only allowed to host camps within their own state (and set a reasonable limit for off-site camps but could host unlimited on-site camps) but coaches would be permitted to work camps hosted by out of state schools.

That was basically the previous rule. You could host any canp you want within your state, but you could only travel out of state for a camp if another school was the host.

What you saw was SEC schools holding large camps in their campus for 300 plus kids, and coaching staffs for a couple G5 and FCS schools on campus as additional staff. The idea was that the majority of these kids would all think they were SEC worthy, so they'd camp at the SEC school, so the G5 and FCS schools would be on site to evaluate the large percentage of those who were clearly not SEC worthy, and perhaps offer them a scholarship.

What happened was that G5 schools started hosting P5 schools at camps. (Georgia State hosting Penn State as an example) and FCS schools started hosting P5 schools at camps, so schools like Michigan and Ohio State were able to recruit players in SEC country easily.

That royally ticked off the SEC and ACC who think they run the place, so they called for an outright ban...meaning now Alabama is still going to get 300 Kids at their camps, and essentially now gets pick of any player they want without competition.

We only saw step one of what would have become a complete disaster had things not been stopped until a solution is worked out.

Would SEC schools have begun scheduling dozens of more camps on the same day and same area as Michigan etc to block them? Southern schools would have certainly flooded key Northern areas. Then you would have to make the camps a huge expensive show to try and beat the competition.

Would of been a huge mess.

(04-26-2016 11:50 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 10:50 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 09:24 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  Just spit balling here but I think a good compromise plan would be for schools only allowed to host camps within their own state (and set a reasonable limit for off-site camps but could host unlimited on-site camps) but coaches would be permitted to work camps hosted by out of state schools.

That was basically the previous rule. You could host any canp you want within your state, but you could only travel out of state for a camp if another school was the host.

What you saw was SEC schools holding large camps in their campus for 300 plus kids, and coaching staffs for a couple G5 and FCS schools on campus as additional staff. The idea was that the majority of these kids would all think they were SEC worthy, so they'd camp at the SEC school, so the G5 and FCS schools would be on site to evaluate the large percentage of those who were clearly not SEC worthy, and perhaps offer them a scholarship.

What happened was that G5 schools started hosting P5 schools at camps. (Georgia State hosting Penn State as an example) and FCS schools started hosting P5 schools at camps, so schools like Michigan and Ohio State were able to recruit players in SEC country easily.

That royally ticked off the SEC and ACC who think they run the place, so they called for an outright ban...meaning now Alabama is still going to get 300 Kids at their camps, and essentially now gets pick of any player they want without competition.

We only saw step one of what would have become a complete disaster had things not been stopped until a solution is worked out.

Would SEC schools have begun scheduling dozens of more camps on the same day and same area as Michigan etc to block them? Southern schools would have certainly flooded key Northern areas. Then you would have to make the camps a huge expensive show to try and beat the competition.

Would of been a huge mess.

You act like more camps would be a bad thing...I'm still trying to figure out how its possible to be a bad thing that more players might have a chance at a scholarship.

(04-26-2016 11:50 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 10:50 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 09:24 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  Just spit balling here but I think a good compromise plan would be for schools only allowed to host camps within their own state (and set a reasonable limit for off-site camps but could host unlimited on-site camps) but coaches would be permitted to work camps hosted by out of state schools.

That was basically the previous rule. You could host any canp you want within your state, but you could only travel out of state for a camp if another school was the host.

What you saw was SEC schools holding large camps in their campus for 300 plus kids, and coaching staffs for a couple G5 and FCS schools on campus as additional staff. The idea was that the majority of these kids would all think they were SEC worthy, so they'd camp at the SEC school, so the G5 and FCS schools would be on site to evaluate the large percentage of those who were clearly not SEC worthy, and perhaps offer them a scholarship.

What happened was that G5 schools started hosting P5 schools at camps. (Georgia State hosting Penn State as an example) and FCS schools started hosting P5 schools at camps, so schools like Michigan and Ohio State were able to recruit players in SEC country easily.

That royally ticked off the SEC and ACC who think they run the place, so they called for an outright ban...meaning now Alabama is still going to get 300 Kids at their camps, and essentially now gets pick of any player they want without competition.

We only saw step one of what would have become a complete disaster had things not been stopped until a solution is worked out.

Would SEC schools have begun scheduling dozens of more camps on the same day and same area as Michigan etc to block them? Southern schools would have certainly flooded key Northern areas. Then you would have to make the camps a huge expensive show to try and beat the competition.

Would of been a huge mess.

Who gives a crap whether the SEC spends a butt-load of money on camps? They can spend a bazillion dollars if they want. In fact...I wish they'd spend every dime on camps. What possible issue would I have with Auburn holding 50 dozen camps in Ypsilanti? None. Why do you?

(04-26-2016 12:31 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 11:50 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 10:50 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 09:24 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  Just spit balling here but I think a good compromise plan would be for schools only allowed to host camps within their own state (and set a reasonable limit for off-site camps but could host unlimited on-site camps) but coaches would be permitted to work camps hosted by out of state schools.

That was basically the previous rule. You could host any canp you want within your state, but you could only travel out of state for a camp if another school was the host.

What you saw was SEC schools holding large camps in their campus for 300 plus kids, and coaching staffs for a couple G5 and FCS schools on campus as additional staff. The idea was that the majority of these kids would all think they were SEC worthy, so they'd camp at the SEC school, so the G5 and FCS schools would be on site to evaluate the large percentage of those who were clearly not SEC worthy, and perhaps offer them a scholarship.

What happened was that G5 schools started hosting P5 schools at camps. (Georgia State hosting Penn State as an example) and FCS schools started hosting P5 schools at camps, so schools like Michigan and Ohio State were able to recruit players in SEC country easily.

That royally ticked off the SEC and ACC who think they run the place, so they called for an outright ban...meaning now Alabama is still going to get 300 Kids at their camps, and essentially now gets pick of any player they want without competition.

We only saw step one of what would have become a complete disaster had things not been stopped until a solution is worked out.

Would SEC schools have begun scheduling dozens of more camps on the same day and same area as Michigan etc to block them? Southern schools would have certainly flooded key Northern areas. Then you would have to make the camps a huge expensive show to try and beat the competition.

Would of been a huge mess.

Who gives a crap whether the SEC spends a butt-load of money on camps? They can spend a bazillion dollars if they want. In fact...I wish they'd spend every dime on camps. What possible issue would I have with Auburn holding 50 dozen camps in Ypsilanti? None. Why do you?

They don't recognize the 13th Amendment and think the kids in their state are the property of the state schools.

https://twitter.com/Mansell247/status/72...7150515200

From Georgia 247 writer... fwiw... expects ban overturned by end of week.