(04-19-2016 09:19 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(04-19-2016 09:13 AM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  When over 60% of your budget is paid for with student fees, you should not be in FBS.

I don't care if that wads your panties up to be honest. Its the truth.

Every state should have laws against this. No one should be subsidizing over 50% of their budget.


These numbers just show what we have all known. Most of you do not have the fan support to justify playing FBS football.......SIMPLE AS THAT!

Well, I'd argue that schools shouldn't be subsidizing ANY of the athletic budget, but I get it, you picked an arbitrary number so it's okay for Marshall to have a subsidy, but not others.

There is no accounting standard for how you factor the subsidy in. When the NCAA creates a set of universal standards, then I'll take the numbers more seriously.

Whatever makes you feel better about yourself.

I agree, there shouldn't be any subsidizing, but this has been going on for years. You should be required to pay for at least half of the budget with donors, ticket/merchandise sales, etc. Paying for OVER HALF of your budget with student subsidization is DESPICABLE.

Where does budget smack talk rank on the index? Is it behind attendance smack talk or before it?

(04-19-2016 08:59 AM)zharkins Wrote:  

(04-19-2016 08:24 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  We were not bowl eligible 2014 the first year of our CUSA play with a 6-6 record and last season yes we were not good and didn't make a bowl. To be frank how many seasons of FBS football did LT play and how many bowls did it get to?

Louisiana Tech made it's first bowl game in 1990, after joining the 1A ranks in 1988. That year, there were 19 bowl games for 107 teams, so 35.5% of teams made a bowl game. By 2000, there were 25 bowl games for 116 teams, which meant 43% of teams made a bowl game. Now there are 40 bowl games for 127 teams, meaning 63% of teams will make a bowl game. So it's just a teensie bit easier to make a bowl game now than it has been.

But to answer your question, we have been to 6 bowls since 1988, and have had 8 other seasons with a record of .500 or better that we did not go to a bowl game.

Times have change, The current water down version of FBS football is no comparison to Div 1-A that Tech started in. Beat Alabama SEC Champs, go 9-3 and still not make a bowl game.

If Tech doesn't make a bowl I will be severely disappointed even for next year. IMO Tech should make a bowl every year with the current CUSA lineup and the availability of bowl slots for CUSA.

(04-19-2016 09:19 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(04-19-2016 09:13 AM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  When over 60% of your budget is paid for with student fees, you should not be in FBS.

I don't care if that wads your panties up to be honest. Its the truth.

Every state should have laws against this. No one should be subsidizing over 50% of their budget.


These numbers just show what we have all known. Most of you do not have the fan support to justify playing FBS football.......SIMPLE AS THAT!

Well, I'd argue that schools shouldn't be subsidizing ANY of the athletic budget, but I get it, you picked an arbitrary number so it's okay for Marshall to have a subsidy, but not others.

There is no accounting standard for how you factor the subsidy in. When the NCAA creates a set of universal standards, then I'll take the numbers more seriously.

Here's some numbers you can argue if you want.

Ticket Sales:

ODU $3.8 Million
Marshall $3.4 Million

UTEP $2.4 Million
So Miss $2.2 Million
WKU $2.2 Million
UTSA $2.1 Million
UAB $2.0 Million

La Tech $1.7 Million
NTSU $1.5 Million
Charlotte $1.5 Million
MTSU $1.4 Million

FAU $1.0 Million

FIU $733,000

(04-19-2016 09:47 AM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  Where does budget smack talk rank on the index? Is it behind attendance smack talk or before it?

I think it probably is most analogous to discussing who gets to sit nearest to the cool kids at the back of the classroom.

flyhawk98 has finally found something that makes his life seem meaningful. Let him enjoy himself for a time.

Here you go. Lets see how you guys try to twist and justify this. I will order them by the total amount for you.

Student Fees/School Funds/TOTAL

ODU $28.4 Million/$0..... $28.4 Million

FIU $20 Million/$3.5 Million...... $23.5 Million

Charlotte $18 Million/$4.6 Million..... $22.6 Million

NTSU $10.7 Million/$9.3 Million...... $20 Million

UAB $5.5 Million/$14.1 Million..... $19.6 Million

MTSU $7.1 Million/$12.2 Million..... $19.3 Million

WKU $3.6 Million/$15.7 Million...... $19.3 Million

FAU $12 Million/$7 Million....... $19 Million

UTEP $5.9 Million/$10 Million...... $15.9 Million

UTSA $12 Million/$1.7 Million...... $12.7 Million

Marshall $4.1 Million/$8.1 Million...... $12.2 Million

La Tech $0/$9.6 Million................ $9.6 Million

So Miss $6 Million/$2.7 Million....... $8.7 Million

(04-19-2016 10:01 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(04-19-2016 09:47 AM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  Where does budget smack talk rank on the index? Is it behind attendance smack talk or before it?

I think it probably is most analogous to discussing who gets to sit nearest to the cool kids at the back of the classroom.

flyhawk98 has finally found something that makes his life seem meaningful. Let him enjoy himself for a time.

Yeah that's it, good one .........

(04-19-2016 09:47 AM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  Where does budget smack talk rank on the index? Is it behind attendance smack talk or before it?

They go hand in hand....kind of.

If your students are forced to pay for over half of your budget, then you can't sustain your budget on your own. It's just a matter of time until our law makers put a stop to what is going on. How will the rest of you survive when/if this day comes?

You can get mad at me all you want. Truth is the truth. Majority of this conference has no business being FBS.

(04-19-2016 10:11 AM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  Here you go. Lets see how you guys try to twist and justify this. I will order them by the total amount for you.

Student Fees/School Funds/TOTAL

ODU $28.4 Million/$0..... $28.4 Million

FIU $20 Million/$3.5 Million...... $23.5 Million

Charlotte $18 Million/$4.6 Million..... $22.6 Million

NTSU $10.7 Million/$9.3 Million...... $20 Million

UAB $5.5 Million/$14.1 Million..... $19.6 Million

MTSU $7.1 Million/$12.2 Million..... $19.3 Million

WKU $3.6 Million/$15.7 Million...... $19.3 Million

FAU $12 Million/$7 Million....... $19 Million

UTEP $5.9 Million/$10 Million...... $15.9 Million

UTSA $12 Million/$1.7 Million...... $12.7 Million

Marshall $4.1 Million/$8.1 Million...... $12.2 Million

La Tech $0/$9.6 Million................ $9.6 Million

So Miss $6 Million/$2.7 Million....... $8.7 Million

Eye opening indeed

(04-19-2016 10:01 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(04-19-2016 09:47 AM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  Where does budget smack talk rank on the index? Is it behind attendance smack talk or before it?

I think it probably is most analogous to discussing who gets to sit nearest to the cool kids at the back of the classroom.

flyhawk98 has finally found something that makes his life seem meaningful. Let him enjoy himself for a time.

Now you want to make it personal? My life would be meaningful even if all sports ceased to exist.

It's not my fault you guys can't handle the truth.

If you don't like facts then you have two options. Up your fan support, donations, etc....or drop down to FCS where most of you belong.

Look at the % subsidized for AAC, MW, and the CUSA schools I mentioned. Then look at the % subsidized by the rest of you, and compare those to the AAC, MW, and FCS conferences. Please come back and tell me where your school fits in.

I'll be waiting for your response.

(04-19-2016 10:15 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(04-19-2016 10:11 AM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  Here you go. Lets see how you guys try to twist and justify this. I will order them by the total amount for you.

Student Fees/School Funds/TOTAL

ODU $28.4 Million/$0..... $28.4 Million

FIU $20 Million/$3.5 Million...... $23.5 Million

Charlotte $18 Million/$4.6 Million..... $22.6 Million

NTSU $10.7 Million/$9.3 Million...... $20 Million

UAB $5.5 Million/$14.1 Million..... $19.6 Million

MTSU $7.1 Million/$12.2 Million..... $19.3 Million

WKU $3.6 Million/$15.7 Million...... $19.3 Million

FAU $12 Million/$7 Million....... $19 Million

UTEP $5.9 Million/$10 Million...... $15.9 Million

UTSA $12 Million/$1.7 Million...... $12.7 Million

Marshall $4.1 Million/$8.1 Million...... $12.2 Million

La Tech $0/$9.6 Million................ $9.6 Million

So Miss $6 Million/$2.7 Million....... $8.7 Million

Eye opening indeed

If you combine the total amounts for both La Tech and So Miss, it is only $18.3 Million. That still leaves 8 schools subsidizing more than those 2 schools combined.

I'm sure panties are wadding up as I type this right now.

(04-19-2016 10:18 AM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  I'll be waiting for your response.

You'll be waiting a while. Count me among those who don't have a need to have our egos stroked on the internet.

But if massaging raw budget numbers gives you a stiffy, you go right ahead and have at it.

(04-19-2016 10:14 AM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  

(04-19-2016 09:47 AM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  Where does budget smack talk rank on the index? Is it behind attendance smack talk or before it?

They go hand in hand....kind of.

If your students are forced to pay for over half of your budget, then you can't sustain your budget on your own. It's just a matter of time until our law makers put a stop to what is going on. How will the rest of you survive when/if this day comes?

You can get mad at me all you want. Truth is the truth. Majority of this conference has no business being FBS.

The truth is you have no clue. But that's alright. It is entertaining to watch you try so hard.

By the way, Virginia already has such a law so your argument generates zero fear. Here's an article on the progress:

http://pilotonline.com/sports/college/ol...dba73.html

I believe every state should have a similar law and would even support C-USA/Sun Belt offices passing such a rule. However, when just one or two schools are held to that standard it could create a competitive imbalance.

(04-19-2016 10:25 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(04-19-2016 10:18 AM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  I'll be waiting for your response.

You'll be waiting a while. Count me among those who don't have a need to have our egos stroked on the internet.

But if massaging raw budget numbers gives you a stiffy, you go right ahead and have at it.

First of all, you are the one that wanted to make this personal for some reason. So seems like you are the one with ego problems.

I figured I would be waiting for a while, because you just can't bring yourself to admit that your subsidization numbers fall in line with FCS schools, and no where even close to FBS schools.

(04-19-2016 10:31 AM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(04-19-2016 10:14 AM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  

(04-19-2016 09:47 AM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  Where does budget smack talk rank on the index? Is it behind attendance smack talk or before it?

They go hand in hand....kind of.

If your students are forced to pay for over half of your budget, then you can't sustain your budget on your own. It's just a matter of time until our law makers put a stop to what is going on. How will the rest of you survive when/if this day comes?

You can get mad at me all you want. Truth is the truth. Majority of this conference has no business being FBS.

The truth is you have no clue. But that's alright. It is entertaining to watch you try so hard.

By the way, Virginia already has such a law so your argument generates zero fear. Here's an article on the progress:

http://pilotonline.com/sports/college/ol...dba73.html

I have no clue? You could be right, but please share all of your insight with the rest of us.

Did you work on this project and have some insight? Are you a school president/AD?

I'm willing to bet that you don't know any more than the rest of us.

Please dispute my claims with facts.

My favorite colors ranked:
Orange
Blue
Yellow
Red
Purple
White
Black
Green

LOOK AT THAT LIST!! Green is clearly the worst color. When everybody gets a look at this any school with green as a primary color is in serious trouble. They don't even deserve to exist! Sorry, Charlotte, North Texas and Marshall. We are gonna need to vote you out because your primary color displeases me. UAB, if you are really serious about bringing back football, you'll need to hold a vote on changing your colors prior to the beginning of the 2017 football season. Anybody who disagrees with my claim better bring da facts!

How was that for you? It was pretty good for me.

(04-19-2016 10:36 AM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  I believe every state should have a similar law and would even support C-USA/Sun Belt offices passing such a rule. However, when just one or two schools are held to that standard it could create a competitive imbalance.

SBC actively encourages schools to do whatever they can to lower their subsidy, but it's not enforced.

Generally speaking, if a school's fanbase wants their subsidy lowered, they need to start donating enough money to ensure that they can become self supporting.

(04-19-2016 10:11 AM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  Here you go. Lets see how you guys try to twist and justify this. I will order them by the total amount for you.

Student Fees/School Funds/TOTAL

ODU $28.4 Million/$0..... $28.4 Million

FIU $20 Million/$3.5 Million...... $23.5 Million

Charlotte $18 Million/$4.6 Million..... $22.6 Million

NTSU $10.7 Million/$9.3 Million...... $20 Million

UAB $5.5 Million/$14.1 Million..... $19.6 Million

MTSU $7.1 Million/$12.2 Million..... $19.3 Million

WKU $3.6 Million/$15.7 Million...... $19.3 Million

FAU $12 Million/$7 Million....... $19 Million

UTEP $5.9 Million/$10 Million...... $15.9 Million

UTSA $12 Million/$1.7 Million...... $12.7 Million

Marshall $4.1 Million/$8.1 Million...... $12.2 Million

La Tech $0/$9.6 Million................ $9.6 Million

So Miss $6 Million/$2.7 Million....... $8.7 Million

For the fourth time. No one in CUSA other than ODU and Middle Tennessee are subject to student athletic fee disclosure. Those two programs can't hide subsidies in the general fund. Making the only comparable programs on this list ODU and MT, as they are the only programs that have a legal standard to follow. The remaining programs can manipulate their data and hide funds and subisidies in the general fund with little to no recourse.

This thread makes me happy that we are a private school!!