(04-27-2016 05:00 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  Story on Chandler's transfer from Fort Wayne paper: http://www.news-sentinel.com/sports/Chan...ll-options

In the article, it mentioned mostly DII and NAIA Programs that he was being recruited by or was interested in. Maybe he realized he wasn't a Division I Player and that the opportunities to excel for him are at a lower level type program. Wish him the best of luck in finding that opportunity.

I get the impression he thought he should have been playing more than he did because he was so good in high school and a 4 year starter. These days freshmen seem to forget they have to work their way up in these programs. They want to be the big dog today. Kind of sickens me that these kids aren't taught along the way how this works. High school coaches should DEFINITELY tell these kids that college ball is a different world with much bigger, better players. Too many of these kids are convinced they are stars at age 18. And no, I am not accusing Chandler White of this. Just talking about freshmen in general.

(04-28-2016 03:37 PM)djsfw57 Wrote:  I get the impression he thought he should have been playing more than he did because he was so good in high school and a 4 year starter. These days freshmen seem to forget they have to work their way up in these programs. They want to be the big dog today. Kind of sickens me that these kids aren't taught along the way how this works. High school coaches should DEFINITELY tell these kids that college ball is a different world with much bigger, better players. Too many of these kids are convinced they are stars at age 18. And no, I am not accusing Chandler White of this. Just talking about freshmen in general.

we live in a commercial culture that wants us to constantly buy something new, throw out what isn't all we thought it would be, to reinvent ourselves, be entrepreneurs. there isn't enough emphasis on commitment, dedication, consistency, thinking about the long term impact of our actions. young basketball players reflect the culture. not enough see the value of building a team, learning from their elders/coaches, waiting their turn to shine. in White's case he is just more of a 70's guard, not a guy who fits well into the major college 3 point era.

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Three transfers does put us on the upper end of things (USC had 4) but there were several schools sharing that territory. There might be a bit of truth to both sides of the debate on whether or not we have a "problem."

(05-02-2016 03:33 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  Three transfers does put us on the upper end of things (USC had 4) but there were several schools sharing that territory. There might be a bit of truth to both sides of the debate on whether or not we have a "problem."

3 other MAC teams had 3 transfers as well. 1 being 2 time in a row NCAA tournament team Buffalo, Kent State and Eastern were the other 2

Stuckey was the only one that could raise any eyebrows. Rogers and White clearly were going to have trouble finding minutes. Their departures were no surprise and will not hurt the team. Stuckey's decision was unusual. He's not good enough to move up to a major conference, but he was getting plenty of minutes at UT. Guys in that situation rarely transfer.

(05-02-2016 10:28 PM)Dwight Wrote:  Stuckey was the only one that could raise any eyebrows. Rogers and White clearly were going to have trouble finding minutes. Their departures were no surprise and will not hurt the team. Stuckey's decision was unusual. He's not good enough to move up to a major conference, but he was getting plenty of minutes at UT. Guys in that situation rarely transfer.

It's one thing for kids to transfer, another thing to recruit so many that can't play DI.

(05-03-2016 04:45 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(05-02-2016 10:28 PM)Dwight Wrote:  Stuckey was the only one that could raise any eyebrows. Rogers and White clearly were going to have trouble finding minutes. Their departures were no surprise and will not hurt the team. Stuckey's decision was unusual. He's not good enough to move up to a major conference, but he was getting plenty of minutes at UT. Guys in that situation rarely transfer.

It's one thing for kids to transfer, another thing to recruit so many that can't play DI.

Not sure these guys can't play D1. They just aren't going to play much at Toledo. They might get minutes at Miami or BG or any number of smaller D1 schools. Recruiting is a dice game- no one saw much potential in Boothe or Gradkowski. Everybody thought "Tank" what'shisname would be great. Didn't work out the way folks thought.

(05-03-2016 05:15 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(05-03-2016 04:45 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(05-02-2016 10:28 PM)Dwight Wrote:  Stuckey was the only one that could raise any eyebrows. Rogers and White clearly were going to have trouble finding minutes. Their departures were no surprise and will not hurt the team. Stuckey's decision was unusual. He's not good enough to move up to a major conference, but he was getting plenty of minutes at UT. Guys in that situation rarely transfer.

It's one thing for kids to transfer, another thing to recruit so many that can't play DI.

Not sure these guys can't play D1. They just aren't going to play much at Toledo. They might get minutes at Miami or BG or any number of smaller D1 schools. Recruiting is a dice game- no one saw much potential in Boothe or Gradkowski. Everybody thought "Tank" what'shisname would be great. Didn't work out the way folks thought.

I guess my big concern is missing on evaluations on two recruits out of five, and maybe three if Adway never develops. Building a program and misses on evaluating talent on 40-60% of each recruiting class can be challenging. Good coaches are good at evaluating and developers of talent, any coaches can win with good to great talent. Coaches like Bo Ryan in basketball when he was coaching, and Mark Dantonio in football are good at evaluating players and developing them.

I think you also have to look at what other schools offered our signees to give you some indication of their potential. An example: Verbalcommits reports that Toledo has just offered 2017 Pickerington Central High School, 6-10 Power Forward, Sterling Manley. He also has received offers from Nebraska, West Virginia, Ohio U, Kent St. and Miami so that is an indication of him having potential to play at both Major and Mid Major Programs. It is still up to the Head Coach to develop that player once they arrive on campus, but this gives you a baseline to start with in evaluating who your team has offered.

(04-28-2016 03:37 PM)djsfw57 Wrote:  I get the impression he thought he should have been playing more than he did because he was so good in high school and a 4 year starter. These days freshmen seem to forget they have to work their way up in these programs. They want to be the big dog today. Kind of sickens me that these kids aren't taught along the way how this works. High school coaches should DEFINITELY tell these kids that college ball is a different world with much bigger, better players. Too many of these kids are convinced they are stars at age 18. And no, I am not accusing Chandler White of this. Just talking about freshmen in general.

AMEN!!!-- But these same HS coaches will scream for days that their 5-8, slow-foot point guard who shoots 88-percent on free throws is a MAC PLAYER!!! ... Forgetting all along that he has to be able to dribble against quicker 6-1 point guards as well as shoot over them, not to mention pass.

So many of these HS coaches have no clue about the level of MAC basketball. Is it the Big 10? I would say in most years the top 2-3 MAC teams would be .500 or better in the Big Ten, which would equate to being a NCAA Tournament team.

But all they see is 1-bid league, and talk it down. Every year you can find a B10 transfer (OU's Kaminski) who is no better in the MAC than he was in the B10. ... The kids are delusional and the coaches are the same.

Kaminski was the 3rd offensive option at OU while playing hurt. He would have been a rotation reserve at Mich St. Spoon was able to play his game at UT but wouldn't have been more than 1st forward off the bench at O$U. Big whatever is stronger, not as much as some folks think, but the rosters are deeper and guys who don't fit well on a team can often find a more meaningful role at a MAC school.

Will be interesting to see how Taylor, an average Big East pf/6th man, does next yr.