(08-24-2016 10:17 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote: I can't remember how this played out. Did we refuse to hire the coach or did we just miss on that deal? It's hard to believe that we got beat out by USM.
Either way, I think if we make those moves we would have made the tournament that year. We did have a really good recruiting class the next year so missing the tournament didn't seem to have much impact. However, I'm not so sure what the impacts will be if we stink it up this year. Seems like 2017 recruiting is off to a slow start.
I don't think they missed on the deal so much as passed - Southern hired the Chipola HC and Flowers and Pelham followed - Armstead went to Oregon and eventually ended up at Wichita. Ironically, the former Chipola HC that went to Southern Miss with his players is now an assistant at Wichita with Gregg Marshall.
That's what makes this offseason a tad more frustrating - grad trans were not nearly as prevalent in 2009 as they are in 2016 - you don't have to take a guy who cuts into the following season's schollies...
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scholarships are for one year at a time, anyway. I get that it is a bad look to not renew a scholarship, but it happens every season. Pastner did it, too.
(08-24-2016 10:17 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote: I can't remember how this played out. Did we refuse to hire the coach or did we just miss on that deal? It's hard to believe that we got beat out by USM.
Either way, I think if we make those moves we would have made the tournament that year. We did have a really good recruiting class the next year so missing the tournament didn't seem to have much impact. However, I'm not so sure what the impacts will be if we stink it up this year. Seems like 2017 recruiting is off to a slow start.
I don't think they missed on the deal so much as passed - Southern hired the Chipola HC and Flowers and Pelham followed - Armstead went to Oregon and eventually ended up at Wichita. Ironically, the former Chipola HC that went to Southern Miss with his players is now an assistant at Wichita with Gregg Marshall.
That's what makes this offseason a tad more frustrating - grad trans were not nearly as prevalent in 2009 as they are in 2016 - you don't have to take a guy who cuts into the following season's schollies...
(08-24-2016 10:52 AM)mphsfan Wrote: scholarships are for one year at a time, anyway. I get that it is a bad look to not renew a scholarship, but it happens every season. Pastner did it, too.
I thought they became 4 year offers now . . . or is that only some schools? I remember reading something about Univ of Southern Cal extending 4 year scholarships but thought it was something that was going to be uniformed not just with them. Incorrect?
(08-24-2016 10:52 AM)mphsfan Wrote: scholarships are for one year at a time, anyway. I get that it is a bad look to not renew a scholarship, but it happens every season. Pastner did it, too.
I thought they became 4 year offers now . . . or is that only some schools? I remember reading something about Univ of Southern Cal extending 4 year scholarships but thought it was something that was going to be uniformed not just with them. Incorrect?
In 2012 multiyear scholarships became optional.
Some..
Quote:schools stress there is no difference between a one-year scholarship and a multiyear scholarship since the same terms apply regarding how the financial aid agreement can be non-renewed.
@RHoopsRecruits UNC-Wilmington 7-0 center C.J. Gettys has committed to Rutgers as a graduate transfer. Averaged 5.3 points and 5.1 rebounds in 2015-16.
Ok, let's put the silliness aside and have a serious discussion. I know you have an agenda, and you know I am an optimistic fan. But let's try this.
According to that list, and a review of coaches at new schools, Tigers finished ahead of Tex Tech and UNLV - which are schools that you've repeatedly touted. They were also the highest non-P5 school on the list who experienced a coaching change. Even ahead of schools like Pitt and Wisconsin. I think we're 6th out of about 50 schools who had coaching changes. Not the best, certainly. But way above what you've been implying. TCU is the highest new coach school on the list at 47.
The ranking does not include grad transfers, which is where I've been disappointed. Of course, we got 1 and I think that's about average - so not sure that would really change our ranking much.
90 is terrible for us. No doubt. But put it in some perspective. It just usually does not happen in that first class when walking into a new program that is in bad shape. If it were, there would be plenty of schools with new coaches higher than where they are this year.
In reality, that list isn't close to final...but I wasn't going to go searching for too long...I doubt Memphis is much different than 90th with or without the next Stockton and Malone.
#kaleb&chadbaby!
That list was updated this week. It is pretty close to final.
Noted avoidance on having a real conversation on the expectations of the first recruiting classes of coaches at new schools.
Ok, let's put the silliness aside and have a serious discussion. I know you have an agenda, and you know I am an optimistic fan. But let's try this.
According to that list, and a review of coaches at new schools, Tigers finished ahead of Tex Tech and UNLV - which are schools that you've repeatedly touted. They were also the highest non-P5 school on the list who experienced a coaching change. Even ahead of schools like Pitt and Wisconsin. I think we're 6th out of about 50 schools who had coaching changes. Not the best, certainly. But way above what you've been implying. TCU is the highest new coach school on the list at 47.
The ranking does not include grad transfers, which is where I've been disappointed. Of course, we got 1 and I think that's about average - so not sure that would really change our ranking much.
90 is terrible for us. No doubt. But put it in some perspective. It just usually does not happen in that first class when walking into a new program that is in bad shape. If it were, there would be plenty of schools with new coaches higher than where they are this year.
90 is terrible for Memphis new coach/ old coach/ no coach. Has a potential AA to build around and obviously playing time galore to offer. Tubby just didn't get the job done. I think just a decent big; probably grad transfer and a 3 who can guard 6'-7" guys and shoot a little and folks would have been thrilled. Now the roster is a total mess unless the unexpected (big white kid can play; Rivers turns out to be a true contributor) happens.
Again, put it in perspective. Out of new coaches, our class is rated 6th out of 50. The highest non-P5.
90 next year is not acceptable. No way. This year, it's just silly to go after him with a few months on the job, the state of the program he inherited, and before he's played a game.
If you wanted to have a real discussion then I would say that Rutgers just committed a 7 foot grad today. Another player just announced today that he will grad.
That's more than 4 months that Tubby has been on the job.
No one is expecting a top 20 class.
But the tired argument that either recruiting is over or there are no players left is just not true.
There are holes/needs on this roster.
And there are STILL guys with DI experience who could help.
This staff signs a guy who hasn't played since 2012 yet Rutgers gets a kid that averaged 5 and 5 and is 7 foot and weighs 235.
(08-24-2016 10:10 PM)HoopDreams Wrote: If you wanted to have a real discussion then I would say that Rutgers just committed a 7 foot grad today. Another player just announced today that he will grad.
That's more than 4 months that Tubby has been on the job.
No one is expecting a top 20 class.
But the tired argument that either recruiting is over or there are no players left is just not true.
There are holes/needs on this roster.
And there are STILL guys with DI experience who could help.
This staff signs a guy who hasn't played since 2012 yet Rutgers gets a kid that averaged 5 and 5 and is 7 foot and weighs 235.
It's slightly alarming at this point.
If it makes you feel any better I'm sure Rutgers will still suck at basketball this year.
Ok, let's put the silliness aside and have a serious discussion. I know you have an agenda, and you know I am an optimistic fan. But let's try this.
According to that list, and a review of coaches at new schools, Tigers finished ahead of Tex Tech and UNLV - which are schools that you've repeatedly touted. They were also the highest non-P5 school on the list who experienced a coaching change. Even ahead of schools like Pitt and Wisconsin. I think we're 6th out of about 50 schools who had coaching changes. Not the best, certainly. But way above what you've been implying. TCU is the highest new coach school on the list at 47.
The ranking does not include grad transfers, which is where I've been disappointed. Of course, we got 1 and I think that's about average - so not sure that would really change our ranking much.
90 is terrible for us. No doubt. But put it in some perspective. It just usually does not happen in that first class when walking into a new program that is in bad shape. If it were, there would be plenty of schools with new coaches higher than where they are this year.
90 is terrible for Memphis new coach/ old coach/ no coach. Has a potential AA to build around and obviously playing time galore to offer. Tubby just didn't get the job done. I think just a decent big; probably grad transfer and a 3 who can guard 6'-7" guys and shoot a little and folks would have been thrilled. Now the roster is a total mess unless the unexpected (big white kid can play; Rivers turns out to be a true contributor) happens.
Again, put it in perspective. Out of new coaches, our class is rated 6th out of 50. The highest non-P5.
90 next year is not acceptable. No way. This year, it's just silly to go after him with a few months on the job, the state of the program he inherited, and before he's played a game.
No one is going after Tubby for his coaching.
His recruiting is concerning.
Players still committing as of today to other programs.
There are still possible role players/depth on the board.
There doesn't seem to be much urgency regarding next season where this staff is concerned.
Hey, if they can make chicken salad out of chicken shtt then by all means...the main point some of us are making is they didn't HAVE to roll as short-handed as it appears they will.
What would be real nice is shortly after the season starts to land commits from McKinley Wright, Stokes, Douglas, Nickleberry and S Davis or something similar.
(06-07-2016 01:49 PM)HoopDreams Wrote: I'll still beat the drum for Christian Musoko from Salt Lake CC.
6-8, 230 center. Not great numbers, but good numbers playing a reserve role for the national champs. Was top 25 in productivity (think NBA PER or +/-) during the NJCAA tourney run. Highlight reel shows an up and under, hook shot, and when he has an opportunity to dunk, he doesn't play around.
(08-24-2016 10:10 PM)HoopDreams Wrote: If you wanted to have a real discussion then I would say that Rutgers just committed a 7 foot grad today. Another player just announced today that he will grad.
That's more than 4 months that Tubby has been on the job.
No one is expecting a top 20 class.
But the tired argument that either recruiting is over or there are no players left is just not true.
There are holes/needs on this roster.
And there are STILL guys with DI experience who could help.
This staff signs a guy who hasn't played since 2012 yet Rutgers gets a kid that averaged 5 and 5 and is 7 foot and weighs 235.
It's slightly alarming at this point.
The link you posted was for HS recruiting classes. His HS recruiting class - as shaky as it is - is still above average for a coach in his first year at a new school. That's proved by the very link you were using to go after him.
If you want to go back to grad transfers, you're on much more solid ground. But the HS class ammo and the shot you took back-fired.
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