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Teams like Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Texas Tech etc should not be getting in. Apparently they play by different rules than mids (which we already know is the case). They have say 3 quality wins but 8-10 losses to quality teams. If you are only winning 3 out of 11-13 chances then you are clearly not a good team yet alone one of the best 64 to be competing for a championship. That and many of their "quality wins" are against teams that potentially arent going to make the tournament or are beating similar teams but not the top ones. It almost screams that a mid should just play 5-7 buy games and hope they win 1 to give them great numbers where they can then afford to lose conference games to the top 100 like our conference was full of this year. In that case how could they argue a mid major making it since all of the metrics (sos, Non conf sos, rpi etc) would all be top notch even if the results were not good? Its silliness
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(03-09-2016 07:30 AM)dan10 Wrote:  Teams like Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Texas Tech etc should not be getting in. Apparently they play by different rules than mids (which we already know is the case). They have say 3 quality wins but 8-10 losses to quality teams. If you are only winning 3 out of 11-13 chances then you are clearly not a good team yet alone one of the best 64 to be competing for a championship. That and many of their "quality wins" are against teams that potentially arent going to make the tournament or are beating similar teams but not the top ones. It almost screams that a mid should just play 5-7 buy games and hope they win 1 to give them great numbers where they can then afford to lose conference games to the top 100 like our conference was full of this year. In that case how could they argue a mid major making it since all of the metrics (sos, Non conf sos, rpi etc) would all be top notch even if the results were not good? Its silliness

I grew up a Cuse fan but i agree. They have no business being on the bubble.
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(03-09-2016 07:47 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(03-09-2016 07:30 AM)dan10 Wrote:  Teams like Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Texas Tech etc should not be getting in. Apparently they play by different rules than mids (which we already know is the case). They have say 3 quality wins but 8-10 losses to quality teams. If you are only winning 3 out of 11-13 chances then you are clearly not a good team yet alone one of the best 64 to be competing for a championship. That and many of their "quality wins" are against teams that potentially arent going to make the tournament or are beating similar teams but not the top ones. It almost screams that a mid should just play 5-7 buy games and hope they win 1 to give them great numbers where they can then afford to lose conference games to the top 100 like our conference was full of this year. In that case how could they argue a mid major making it since all of the metrics (sos, Non conf sos, rpi etc) would all be top notch even if the results were not good? Its silliness

I grew up a Cuse fan but i agree. They have no business being on the bubble.

Its not even that, most place have them IN not just on the bubble.
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(03-09-2016 09:25 AM)dan10 Wrote:  
(03-09-2016 07:47 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(03-09-2016 07:30 AM)dan10 Wrote:  Teams like Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Texas Tech etc should not be getting in. Apparently they play by different rules than mids (which we already know is the case). They have say 3 quality wins but 8-10 losses to quality teams. If you are only winning 3 out of 11-13 chances then you are clearly not a good team yet alone one of the best 64 to be competing for a championship. That and many of their "quality wins" are against teams that potentially arent going to make the tournament or are beating similar teams but not the top ones. It almost screams that a mid should just play 5-7 buy games and hope they win 1 to give them great numbers where they can then afford to lose conference games to the top 100 like our conference was full of this year. In that case how could they argue a mid major making it since all of the metrics (sos, Non conf sos, rpi etc) would all be top notch even if the results were not good? Its silliness

I grew up a Cuse fan but i agree. They have no business being on the bubble.

Its not even that, most place have them IN not just on the bubble.
Most have today's game between Pitt and Cuse as a play in game for the tourney. Honestly, unless Cuse wins today and then beats UNC they don't belong in.
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I have seen some that do say that but I have seen both also as 8/9 type teams. Texas tech as a 7?!?! As far at the Pitt/Syracuse game based on how their seasons have gone how is this game any different for them win or lose? A win gives you a "quality" win against a team that doesnt belong in the tournament and a loss is just another "quality loss" to add to the multitude of them that that already have. It is an endless cycle that only appears to help them instead of being held against them. You give many mids 10 chances against top competition and I bet they fare just fine. Usually in a season we get 1, maybe 2 chances if lucky.
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(03-09-2016 09:37 AM)dan10 Wrote:  I have seen some that do say that but I have seen both also as 8/9 type teams. Texas tech as a 7?!?! As far at the Pitt/Syracuse game based on how their seasons have gone how is this game any different for them win or lose? A win gives you a "quality" win against a team that doesnt belong in the tournament and a loss is just another "quality loss" to add to the multitude of them that that already have. It is an endless cycle that only appears to help them instead of being held against them. You give many mids 10 chances against top competition and I bet they fare just fine. Usually in a season we get 1, maybe 2 chances if lucky.

I agree with you. I was just telling you what i've seen/heard.
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I get that. It just frustrates me to look at these teams resumes and realize they have nothing outside of their own conference and are barely at .500 there and are bubble or slightly above bubble teams. It is ridiculous.
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(03-09-2016 10:20 AM)dan10 Wrote:  I get that. It just frustrates me to look at these teams resumes and realize they have nothing outside of their own conference and are barely at .500 there and are bubble or slightly above bubble teams. It is ridiculous.
Clearly they have not learned much from the last 10 years of Mids making runs. Or, they will just always continue to go to the money
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(03-09-2016 10:23 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(03-09-2016 10:20 AM)dan10 Wrote:  I get that. It just frustrates me to look at these teams resumes and realize they have nothing outside of their own conference and are barely at .500 there and are bubble or slightly above bubble teams. It is ridiculous.
Clearly they have not learned much from the last 10 years of Mids making runs. Or, they will just always continue to go to the money

Oh it is all abut money and always will be. They are not interested in actually sending the best teams. Since realignment it has been even worse for the mids, since many of the typical mids getting at larges are now part of the bigger conferences.
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If you play in a conference with great schools...and you aren't...you will still get some good wins. Conference games are made up of coaches and players who have the chance to figure out how to beat other teams over the years. It doesn't make the not so good teams good, it simply gives them the availability to win against good teams, and sometimes they do.

If UNCW were regularly playing many of the ACC schools with Keatts as coach, we'd have some good wins because he is a good coach. Where we have trouble is the one and done games in an away game. Playing G'twon once...away...is useless. Let us get into a 3-5 game series and lets' see what happens. Right now, there is just no upside for the schools in conferences above us to get into any sort of series. We're nothing more than filler to create income from home games.

UNCW should come into the next season with a pretty decent starting RPI opportunity. If we could pull out a few marquee OOC wins, and do well in the CAA, we will have an at-large chance, or a better seeding if we win the tourney. Consistency over time is what we need to get back on track and get in to the 9-11 seed NCAA spot.

The CAA will likely show more separation next year. Hofstra, NU, William and Mary will not be as strong IMO. UNCW should be the unanimous pick to win the CAA, and there is every reason to think they will. I don't anticipate a tie for first. I also think Canyon Barry transfers and leaves CoC just short of being a contender to take 1st. place.

If we can get three CAA schools to get some separation and some quality OOC wins, a second bid may be back on the table.
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(03-09-2016 10:58 AM)82hawk Wrote:  If you play in a conference with great schools...and you aren't...you will still get some good wins. Conference games are made up of coaches and players who have the chance to figure out how to beat other teams over the years. It doesn't make the not so good teams good, it simply gives them the availability to win against good teams, and sometimes they do.

If UNCW were regularly playing many of the ACC schools with Keatts as coach, we'd have some good wins because he is a good coach. Where we have trouble is the one and done games in an away game. Playing G'twon once...away...is useless. Let us get into a 3-5 game series and lets' see what happens. Right now, there is just no upside for the schools in conferences above us to get into any sort of series. We're nothing more than filler to create income from home games.

UNCW should come into the next season with a pretty decent starting RPI opportunity. If we could pull out a few marquee OOC wins, and do well in the CAA, we will have an at-large chance, or a better seeding if we win the tourney. Consistency over time is what we need to get back on track and get in to the 9-11 seed NCAA spot.

The CAA will likely show more separation next year. Hofstra, NU, William and Mary will not be as strong IMO. UNCW should be the unanimous pick to win the CAA, and there is every reason to think they will. I don't anticipate a tie for first. I also think Canyon Barry transfers and leaves CoC just short of being a contender to take 1st. place.

If we can get three CAA schools to get some separation and some quality OOC wins, a second bid may be back on the table.
Why do you think Barry transfers?
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(03-09-2016 11:02 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Why do you think Barry transfers?

He's expected to graduate early, meaning he can transfer anywhere without penalty and get a head start on Grad School.

Kid is pretty brilliant (Physics and computer science double major with a minor in mathematics) so it will come down to an academic decision for him.
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Seahawk Nation is correct. Barry has been at CofC 4 years and should be ready to graduate. With his academic achievements, he can go to any school.

His dad graduated from Miami. Every 72 year old wants an excuse to go to Miami frequently in the winter. That's a possibility.

Duke needs players. UNC may need some extra hands if unexpected guys leave early. He will want to go to place where a NCAA Tournament bid is a certainty.
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(03-09-2016 12:00 PM)geezerhawkdad Wrote:  Seahawk Nation is correct. Barry has been at CofC 4 years and should be ready to graduate. With his academic achievements, he can go to any school.

His dad graduated from Miami. Every 72 year old wants an excuse to go to Miami frequently in the winter. That's a possibility.

Duke needs players. UNC may need some extra hands if unexpected guys leave early. He will want to go to place where a NCAA Tournament bid is a certainty.

Hopefully he doesn't get Damion Lee'd in that regard....
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(03-09-2016 12:36 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Hopefully he doesn't get Damion Lee'd in that regard....

Even with it ending up that Drexel had a better chance at the postseason than UofL, it can't be argued that he made the right decision. The extra press and better competition on a nightly basis (while producing) will most definitely propel him into the NBA, which is any players ultimate goal. He would have been fringe NBA pick at best if he stayed at Drexel.
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(03-09-2016 12:57 PM)dan10 Wrote:  Even with it ending up that Drexel had a better chance at the postseason than UofL, it can't be argued that he made the right decision. The extra press and better competition on a nightly basis (while producing) will most definitely propel him into the NBA, which is any players ultimate goal. He would have been fringe NBA pick at best if he stayed at Drexel.

Not saying he made a bad call, nor am I saying Barry shouldn't leave. Just saying it sucked that it happened, when it happened, to Lee.
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Absolutely agree. Will be interesting what Barry does. Anyhow most of the bigger conferences start their tournaments tonight. Only finals game tonight is the Patriot league. That game wont effect very much in the seedings. If Lehigh wins they are likely a 15 and if Holy Cross pulls the upset they will be in a play-in 16 game with a losing record. I expect a blowout in Lehigh's favor tonight.
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And let's not forget who his father is. Great academics, great scorer, great family name, experienced graduate player who can play and make an impact immediately. I would be surprised if it didn't happen.
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(03-09-2016 04:56 PM)82hawk Wrote:  And let's not forget who his father is. Great academics, great scorer, great family name, experienced graduate player who can play and make an impact immediately. I would be surprised if it didn't happen.

I agree. You know his father will have the ability to get the ear of top P5 programs for Barry. The question will be if any of them want to risk him shooting a granny in front of the home crowd or a raucous away game...

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(03-09-2016 05:18 PM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  
(03-09-2016 04:56 PM)82hawk Wrote:  And let's not forget who his father is. Great academics, great scorer, great family name, experienced graduate player who can play and make an impact immediately. I would be surprised if it didn't happen.

I agree. You know his father will have the ability to get the ear of top P5 programs for Barry. The question will be if any of them want to risk him shooting a granny in front of the home crowd or a raucous away game...

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