(04-30-2019 12:06 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  Cersei is sitting on a shitton of Wildfire and can pull her own Mad King Aerys move by lighting King's Landing up like a torch. Literally one of Dany's dragons could fart in city limits and 500k people become crispy fritters if Cersei has that stuff placed all over the city. Think of Cersei as the fire version of the Night's King.

Didn't she use all the Wildfire in season 6 when she blew up the Sept of Baelor?

(04-30-2019 12:20 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(04-30-2019 12:06 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  Cersei is sitting on a shitton of Wildfire and can pull her own Mad King Aerys move by lighting King's Landing up like a torch. Literally one of Dany's dragons could fart in city limits and 500k people become crispy fritters if Cersei has that stuff placed all over the city. Think of Cersei as the fire version of the Night's King.

Didn't she use all the Wildfire in season 6 when she blew up the Sept of Baelor?

They got tons and tons left. Aerys had the Pyromancers working for weeks making stockpiles of it. Battle of the Blackwater and Sept of Baelor didn't even scratch the surface of what Aerys had made and stashed around the city. King's Landing has been sitting on a time bomb for 15+ years.

These are great threads, reminds me that even though I get sideways with some posters about college athletics we share a lot of common interests.

Interested to see how Jon and Danny reconcile post battle and what roles Jamie and Tyrion play as they march south.

Hopefully Bran plays a less critical role from a screen time perspective, but there is likely more of him coming to push Jon as the rightful heir.

(04-29-2019 09:36 AM)Artifice Wrote:  

(04-24-2019 09:59 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  The episode leaked, its on bootleg now. Spoiler alert******

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The castle is attacked of course, and the night king was jnitially surprised that they had dragon glass weapons, changing his strategy in the battle. However, it's a heartbreaking episode, The unsullied commander, Sir Breann, and her wannabe lover wildling, Jamie Lannister, Sansa, Arya, The guy sam gives his sword to (forgive me with names) and pretty much the entire army is wiped out. The night kings Dragon is destroyed but so is another good dragon, leaving one alive, and the main group of whats left escape through a hidden tunnel in the crypt. The battle is the vast majority of the episode, its unreal. Maybe 30 minutes of non battle scenes. It ends with Cersei getting news of the battle that the norths army is crippled, and on the run, and she smiles.

Edit: it should.be added that overall the night king lost alot of troops. Added most of the dead from the norths army, but lost almost 3 times that in the attack. So the dead army is about half strength. Not looking good even still for the good guys

Swing and a miss.

The entire fantasy element to the story was quickly and disdainfully dispatched by the show runners, who never wanted anything to do with it. It is now period piece fan fiction with no sense of urgency, and primary characters with no purpose left and no meaningful end of decades of previously painstakingly developed character arcs... Enjoy!

Yup. There's nothing fantasy about dragons, wargs, direwolves, an undead army, resurrections, fire gods, giants, castle sieges, and horse lords. Nothing at all.

(04-30-2019 06:38 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(04-30-2019 01:32 AM)Shrack Wrote:  

(04-30-2019 01:22 AM)FriscoDawg Wrote:  

(04-29-2019 09:44 PM)Shrack Wrote:  -no explanation for how Arya got to the NK really. Was a lame way to execute that

Hope the last 3 episodes at least feel satisfying. This episode was not satisfying as a viewer

After Melisandre got Arya's head back in the game, she got into "No One" mode so that only the one White Walker had a hint of anything happening before she launched against the Night King. No way that the wights would be able to deal with that, so she had no problem getting to the Godswood.

I could not disagree more about the episode not being satisfying. All the clues were there, and they played out. And even the callbacks like Arya telling Sansa to "Stick them with the pointy end" when she gave her the dragonstone dagger were well placed.

My only minor criticism is that one or two more of the main characters should have died in the battle. Brienne and Grey Worm top that list.

I expected the action at Winterfell to be done by early episode 4 (thought they might have left a cliffhanger), so they are ahead of schedule in my book. The heart of the Game of Thrones TV series has always been the political side. Lots of storylines still to resolve with three episodes (4 hours) to go. Episode 4 will be the aftermath and setup for the episode 5 battle.

Except they don't show that happening. It's just a lot of assumption. Suddenly she's flying through the air at the Night King and this storyline that began in the first scene of the show is instantly over due to a weird jump-scare from Arya with no explanation for any motivations behind the NK character. If he ends up just being "evil" then that's pretty bad writing. There was a lot of illogical ways people were doing things this episode that took me out of it

Hopefully they explain next episode

I hope they prove me wrong, but they're ending the show on a bad note. Cersei is okay (was a much better character before all of her children were dead), but Euron is a poorly written character on screen and just makes the show worse. And that's all you have left really before it is over, unless there's a surprise with Dany/Jon going at it, but I doubt it

I mean im not saying it is some terrible show. It's still my favorite show and great TV. Just disappointed that so many book things will never get fleshed out, but that's on GRRM

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I agree with the assessment that we need to know more about the Night King. Why does he specifically have to be the one to kill Bran? What was Bran doing the entire time, surely not just flying around in ravens and not relaying any info to the forces... ? Getting some more closure on the Night King and his mission is crucial considering we were introduced to the undead in Season 1 Episode 1. If it's really just going to be "he wants to erase the world's memory and he's coming for me" says Bran, then I will surely be disappointed as well in that aspect of the plot.

We know the NK was created by the Children of the Forest to destroy the world of men. We know Bran is the keeper of the world's memories and he can (possibly?) affect things in the past to steer the present to the same result. The NK kills him, then destroys everything else, game over.

If you are looking for more than that from the show I do not think it is coming.

As far as the "lame way" to have Arya get past the horde to kill the NK...it could be explained in a few ways:

- She got there during the initial wight attack when Theon was still alive and camped out. The scene right after the Red Woman was when the Wights first started to attack the Godswood. Jon still in the air dragon-fighting with the NK. Looong way to go until the final few scenes.
- She trained to be an assassin and simply blew past them all quietly. I don't see any indication that the WW are omniscient.

Bottom line...this is TV and not literature; way easier to flesh out things you read than what you can see in 82 minutes. Does anyone really think the ending would be better if we got cuts of Arya running the castle walls or swinging from the trees in the Godswood? It was a much more intense at the end of that episode because every scenario was totally F'd and we kinda forgot about her for a bit.

Just my take.

Bran clearly warged into some crows and had them carry arya through the air and dropped her on the night kings head. duh.

(04-29-2019 01:05 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(04-29-2019 11:56 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(04-29-2019 09:36 AM)Artifice Wrote:  

(04-24-2019 09:59 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  The episode leaked, its on bootleg now. Spoiler alert******

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The castle is attacked of course, and the night king was jnitially surprised that they had dragon glass weapons, changing his strategy in the battle. However, it's a heartbreaking episode, The unsullied commander, Sir Breann, and her wannabe lover wildling, Jamie Lannister, Sansa, Arya, The guy sam gives his sword to (forgive me with names) and pretty much the entire army is wiped out. The night kings Dragon is destroyed but so is another good dragon, leaving one alive, and the main group of whats left escape through a hidden tunnel in the crypt. The battle is the vast majority of the episode, its unreal. Maybe 30 minutes of non battle scenes. It ends with Cersei getting news of the battle that the norths army is crippled, and on the run, and she smiles.

Edit: it should.be added that overall the night king lost alot of troops. Added most of the dead from the norths army, but lost almost 3 times that in the attack. So the dead army is about half strength. Not looking good even still for the good guys

Swing and a miss.

The entire fantasy element to the story was quickly and disdainfully dispatched by the show runners, who never wanted anything to do with it. It is now period piece fan fiction with no sense of urgency, and primary characters with no purpose left and no meaningful end of decades of previously painstakingly developed character arcs... Enjoy!

It was a really good episode overall. And they still have a purpose to win the throne. I e joyed it other than their cop out making the battle so dark and chaotic that you can't tell whats happening. They wrote out the entire horse element to purely save money.

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I thought the episode was awesome, but flaws existed. For example, a frontal attack by crack light calvary into darkness made no military tactical sense. Calvary, using their speed, are employed (among other purposes) for flanking, reserve, and shock.

http://www.aircav.com/cavrole.html

There was NO flank! The dead went from horizon to horizon.

Just a theory but, Arya trained to be no one and is a master of disguise. Take the face of one of the dead and infiltrate without being detected. But then, why did she wait till then to use it if that is the case?

I’m really worried for Jon in the next episode. The “Watchers on the Wall” took a photo of Jon and Cersei together at King’s Landing. Unless he is negotiating I’m afraid they lose the battle and Jon is taken hostage. Several things lead me to believe this:
- is Ghost dead?
- has Jon served his purpose like Melisandre?
- back when Jon killed the white walker at Hard Home the next episode was him getting stabbed to death.
I don’t know and I want to be wrong but this is when HBO will throw that “whammy” at us. When we are relaxed and happy just like the red wedding.

Nothing would make me happier than to be wrong.

Ghost is clearly visible in the episode 4 trailer in the shot outside Winterfell where torches are being carried out to burn the dead.

And the trailer also confirms that Rhaegal is flying with Drogon.

Arya and Gendry will also have a scene together, and there will at least be a passionate kiss.

(04-30-2019 09:57 PM)WWDog Wrote:  

(04-29-2019 01:05 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(04-29-2019 11:56 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(04-29-2019 09:36 AM)Artifice Wrote:  

(04-24-2019 09:59 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  The episode leaked, its on bootleg now. Spoiler alert******

*****
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The castle is attacked of course, and the night king was jnitially surprised that they had dragon glass weapons, changing his strategy in the battle. However, it's a heartbreaking episode, The unsullied commander, Sir Breann, and her wannabe lover wildling, Jamie Lannister, Sansa, Arya, The guy sam gives his sword to (forgive me with names) and pretty much the entire army is wiped out. The night kings Dragon is destroyed but so is another good dragon, leaving one alive, and the main group of whats left escape through a hidden tunnel in the crypt. The battle is the vast majority of the episode, its unreal. Maybe 30 minutes of non battle scenes. It ends with Cersei getting news of the battle that the norths army is crippled, and on the run, and she smiles.

Edit: it should.be added that overall the night king lost alot of troops. Added most of the dead from the norths army, but lost almost 3 times that in the attack. So the dead army is about half strength. Not looking good even still for the good guys

Swing and a miss.

The entire fantasy element to the story was quickly and disdainfully dispatched by the show runners, who never wanted anything to do with it. It is now period piece fan fiction with no sense of urgency, and primary characters with no purpose left and no meaningful end of decades of previously painstakingly developed character arcs... Enjoy!

It was a really good episode overall. And they still have a purpose to win the throne. I e joyed it other than their cop out making the battle so dark and chaotic that you can't tell whats happening. They wrote out the entire horse element to purely save money.

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I thought the episode was awesome, but flaws existed. For example, a frontal attack by crack light calvary into darkness made no military tactical sense. Calvary, using their speed, are employed (among other purposes) for flanking, reserve, and shock.

http://www.aircav.com/cavrole.html

There was NO flank! The dead went from horizon to horizon.

Just a theory but, Arya trained to be no one and is a master of disguise. Take the face of one of the dead and infiltrate without being detected. But then, why did she wait till then to use it if that is the case?

Maybe because that's the earliest opportunity she had. And if you think about it, if she uses it earlier, she might get attacked by her own forces because she'd be mistaken for a White Walker in the midst of the battle.

Interesting thought you had btw on how she did it. If it is how she pulled it off, the only strange thing though would be that you'd think she'd still be in disguise at the moment she attacks him.

Ya'll are digging too deep. It was TV. Great TV, but the books should explain it better.

I mean, you had a whole line of white walkers that just stood at the treeline for the whole episode. They could have taken down both dragons with those ice javelins. The night king could have been taken out by a single archer on the wall with a dragon-glass arrow. They could have dug a bunch more fire pits around Winterfell as well. The dead weren't great fighters, just in overwhelming numbers. Bottleneck them then burn them. Way too many holes, but still great. Again, the books will do this differently. The TV show has had to cut out so much just to fit within budget.

Just enjoy the fantasy. Someone will reboot this someday, or at least try, and probably go bankrupt. Even animating it would cost a fortune. Winds of Winter should be a great read.

My worry is that I've heard the writers/showrunners explain their Arya/Night King reasoning as: "it is unexpected, so let's do it." She's a killer and she was likely the most capable fighter out of that whole group in Winterfell, but it just didn't make much sense to me that she beats NK clean. Whole thing puts the kibosh on Azor Ahai and makes me question what the Lord of Light brought John back for. Cersei isn't a religious fanatic, so steering the endgame into a "True King/Lord of Light vs. False Queen/Faith of the Seven" match-up would be odd. There hasn't been any R'hllor connection for any Targaryens in the show other than the fact they both originated in the same part of the world.

Without Jon coming back and willing these people together the world is over. Just because he doesn't kill the NK doesn't mean the prophecy is defunct. It says The Prince is supposedly destined to stand against “the Other” and deliver the world from “the cold breath of darkness,” winning “a war for life itself" (quoting a ringer article). He did just that; whether he was the one to land the killing blow or not.

Besides, the Night King is a show creation anyway. I'm with USM@FTL and just enjoying the fantasy.

The disappointing thing to me was the entire series built up to the battle with the night king. Then he abruptly dies and we dont even know what his plan was or who he was.

Agree. They ran out of GRRM material, or at least material they wanted to use. They could have stretched this much longer, but the producers limited it.

Victarion Greyjoy is turning into a neat character in the books. Lady Stoneheart must reunite with Arya. That should be really dark.

I feel like the night king will be shown to have warged out right before he died and will end up possessing someone else. Probably Bran. Once a part of Bran, he will use the 3 Eyed Raven's time shift/travel technique to do something nefarious. I can't believe his story is over. Just a wild guess.

Just read an interesting theory where Bran really isnt Bran anymore, but the Three Eyed Raven who is actually the ultimate villain set for some unrevealed diabolical purpose. Hard to believe with 3 episodes left. But ultimately intriguing.

(05-01-2019 07:29 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  I feel like the night king will be shown to have warged out right before he died and will end up possessing someone else. Probably Bran. Once a part of Bran, he will use the 3 Eyed Raven's time shift/travel technique to do something nefarious. I can't believe his story is over. Just a wild guess.

When did the Night's King become a Warg?

Yeah, the ice spiders didn't happen as well. Only one giant despite seeing more during their march South. Lots of holes since season 4.

The prequel spin-offs have a lot of material to work with. The Long Night prequel will probably explain the white walkers better. The Dance of Dragons will be about a Targaryan inner-war that should be pretty spectacular.

We're totally ignoring Qyburn and Bronn. You know Qyburn is building scorpions and who knows what else. He probably still has a cache of wildfire as well.

I can't see Bronn turning on Jaime or Tyrion. I'm thinking he gives them the gold and crossbow and joins their cause.

I wonder if we see Hot-pie or Darhio again? Did you notice Jaime missing from the preview pics of episode 4? Volanquer rides South?