ODU's future OOC schedules.

2017:
at UMASS
UNC
at Va tech
open

2018:
VMI
Virginia Tech
at East Carolina
at UVA

2019:
at Va Teach
Buffalo
East Carolina
Open

2020:
at Buffalo
Wake Forest
at UNC
UVA

2017 and 2019 could both be filled out with FCS teams (give us 7 home games in 2019) or could be used to fill another H&H. Either way wouldn't be horrible but a regional H&H would be nicer. Either way the schedules from 2017 to 2020 look good, with the exception to the VMI game. Obviously you have to win some of those P5 games to make it worth it but as we get more fbs recruiting classes our depth will be a lot better and we wont be playing so many freshman. Also if you ever want to sniff the Access bowl you need p5s on your schedule and it is easier to beat them at home then away.

(02-16-2016 05:12 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  other....one may could say it falls under the the first choice....the list below breaks it down

1 p5 (upper) buy game (annually) OR 2/1 h/a (msu/ole piss) where we still get paid
1 p5 h/h (mid/lower)
2 g5 h/h

I hate the winnable games....there are already enough in the conference (no disrespect meant....southern miss was in '12 thru '14)

edit: dream schedule
msu/ole piss
if above is home, then at NEB, GA, FLA, , ARK, UT (either), etc...
if both above are away, then home against PUR, VA, GT, etc...
ECU and MEM rotating h/a with both every damn year....

You stole that one from me, stink.. admit it :)

Although my OOC rotation was

G1: Rotating Game; MSU/OLE MISS/ECU/Memphis/Louisville
G2: If Rotating game at home: Play "Name" P5 on the road .
If Rotating game is away: Play "Mid Level" P5 at home, unless Home-n-Home was scheduled.
G3: Home-and-Home with a mid level G5/P5
G4: In-State or nearby FBS team, but always at Hattiesburg.

(02-17-2016 08:45 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(02-16-2016 05:12 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  other....one may could say it falls under the the first choice....the list below breaks it down

1 p5 (upper) buy game (annually) OR 2/1 h/a (msu/ole piss) where we still get paid
1 p5 h/h (mid/lower)
2 g5 h/h

I hate the winnable games....there are already enough in the conference (no disrespect meant....southern miss was in '12 thru '14)

edit: dream schedule
msu/ole piss
if above is home, then at NEB, GA, FLA, , ARK, UT (either), etc...
if both above are away, then home against PUR, VA, GT, etc...
ECU and MEM rotating h/a with both every damn year....

You stole that one from me, stink.. admit it :)

Although my OOC rotation was

G1: Rotating Game; MSU/OLE MISS/ECU/Memphis/Louisville
G2: If Rotating game at home: Play "Name" P5 on the road .
If Rotating game is away: Play "Mid Level" P5 at home, unless Home-n-Home was scheduled.
G3: Home-and-Home with a mid level G5/P5
G4: In-State or nearby FBS team, but always at Hattiesburg.

lol....we do share that southern miss/StL kindred spirit

I subscribe to the one that keeps my athletic department afloat while giving our team the best chance to win games and grow the fanbase....

You can subscribe to whatever you want but at the end of the day, in these times with COA, etc, you have to make ends meet. If that means scheduling one guarantee game per year then that's what you have to do.

(02-17-2016 11:17 AM)MTowho Wrote:  I subscribe to the one that keeps my athletic department afloat while giving our team the best chance to win games and grow the fanbase....

You can subscribe to whatever you want but at the end of the day, in these times with COA, etc, you have to make ends meet. If that means scheduling one guarantee game per year then that's what you have to do.

....or an almost certain loss via a pay game against a p5 power...

e.g. giving up the NEB home game in '13 is what allowed us to fire Elllllllllllloss and not assume liability for his buyout clause the previous leadershite developed

some people hated giving that game up, but it was necessary to get us back on track for making a pathetic hire....those that made it are are also no longer employed at southern miss

I'm of the opinion that it should depend on the program, on a case-by-case basis. For example, when Doc first arrived and there was no guarantee we would rebound in football strength, I was of the opinion that our OOC should consist of the following:

1) 1 regional, low-tier P5 game (Kentucky, Indiana, Purdue, Pitt at the time, Virginia, etc.) that is potentially winnable
2) 1-2 regional G5 programs that regularly hit at least 0.500 win percentage each year
3) Ohio
4) if you can't get 2 regional G5 programs, or if we're sitting at only 5 home games, go for an FCS program

However, now that we are consistently winning again, my opinion has shifted to the following, because we've upped our competitiveness:

1) 2 regional P5 programs that we can get home-and-home series' with (Louisville and Pitt this coming season is perfect)
2) 1 top-tier G5 program, regardless of location (Boise State, Cincinnati, Houston, etc.)
3) Ohio
4) FCS program as an absolute last resort

The above is almost exactly what we're targeting going forward, it seems. Ohio isn't going to work out every single year, but we've got home-and-homes with Louisville, Pitt, NC State, Boise State, Cincinnati, Appy State, and Navy.

There's one last step to take, IMO, and that's when we start consistently hitting the top 25 and winning 3 out of 4 OOC games in that above approach. The last step is as follows, IMO:

1) 2-3 P5 programs, with 1 or 2 being a home-and-home and just 1 being a payout away game. Theoretically, we'd be at a level where we'd have as high a chance at winning these as we'd ever have, even if it's not likely.
2) Ohio
3) 1 Top tier G5 program if you can't get 3 P5 programs on the schedule

This last approach is kinda where ECU has been for the last decade or however long. They consistently schedule 2 or 3 regional P5 programs every single year.

TL;DR: I just think it's silly for all G5 programs to say "we should play a ton of P5's at all times" because you set yourselves up for failure. Marshall did this during the Snyder years, playing WVU, Kansas State, and Tennessee in 2006; then Miami, WVU, and Brian Kelly-Cincinnati in 2007; and Wisconsin, WVU, and Brian Kelly-Cincinnati in 2008. You almost always start out 1-3 at best, and are beat up and/or demoralized going into conference play.

(02-17-2016 11:17 AM)MTowho Wrote:  I subscribe to the one that keeps my athletic department afloat while giving our team the best chance to win games and grow the fanbase....

You can subscribe to whatever you want but at the end of the day, in these times with COA, etc, you have to make ends meet. If that means scheduling one guarantee game per year then that's what you have to do.

Yeh, the COA changes everything. Gotta have $$ to keep up with the bidding wars that will start (with who's gonna pay the most in COA). It is what it is, and if taking a butt kicking at LSU, Alabama, etc. are what helps, schools have to do it.