A lot of this is BS, but at least 247 Sports does a composite of the recruiting services.

http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Footbal...erence=MAC

BTW some of the schools with small classes aren't up to date. The best I could find, but some schools were very poor at reporting their classes.

Western got eighteen 3* players and Northern got 2? Definitely something fishy there. Let's see how many of the 18 actually end up on the roster.

Wasn't 2015 UMass's last year in the MAC?

(02-05-2016 02:57 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  Western got eighteen 3* players and Northern got 2? Definitely something fishy there. Let's see how many of the 18 actually end up on the roster.

Wasn't 2015 UMass's last year in the MAC?

Last year to play. Apparantly they don't officially seperate until June or July.

(02-05-2016 02:57 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  Western got eighteen 3* players and Northern got 2? Definitely something fishy there. Let's see how many of the 18 actually end up on the roster.

Wasn't 2015 UMass's last year in the MAC?

PJ knows people at the rating system... Some of these dudes have no stars and when WMU offers them, stars magically appear. No doubt WMU is recruiting well but it doesnt matter how many stars these guys have. The best player in my lifetime is arguably Eric Page and he didnt have squat for football looks. NIU and Toledo will be fine standing up against their world beater galaxy of stars.

(02-05-2016 03:25 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 02:57 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  Western got eighteen 3* players and Northern got 2? Definitely something fishy there. Let's see how many of the 18 actually end up on the roster.

Wasn't 2015 UMass's last year in the MAC?

PJ knows people at the rating system... Some of these dudes have no stars and when WMU offers them, stars magically appear. No doubt WMU is recruiting well but it doesnt matter how many stars these guys have. The best player in my lifetime is arguably Eric Page and he didnt have squat for football looks. NIU and Toledo will be fine standing up against their world beater galaxy of stars.

LOL. The galaxy of stars may turn out to be a school of fish.

Interesting that Western pulled the offer on the receiver because of a knee injury, but offered and signed RB Falcon out of Southfield who lost his offer after he committed to Michigan because of a knee injury. I guess Fleck and staff knew who could play and who couldn't based on the degree of injury of each even though they never examined at least one of the two.

Says Toledo also offered Falcon and the receiver out of Chippewa Valley HS (about 15 miles from me). Also says Ohio State offered RB Falcon. But he's only a 3-star RB? Something fishy there. I get the feeling Western just wants to tout that the kid turned down Michigan and Ohio State just to have the honor of playing for Fleck in K'zoo. Yeah, that makes sense.

2 players are included in UT's ranking that did not sign with UT. Tre'shun
is included in the signee average but not given a ranking score.

(02-05-2016 03:25 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 02:57 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  Western got eighteen 3* players and Northern got 2? Definitely something fishy there. Let's see how many of the 18 actually end up on the roster.

Wasn't 2015 UMass's last year in the MAC?

PJ knows people at the rating system... Some of these dudes have no stars and when WMU offers them, stars magically appear. No doubt WMU is recruiting well but it doesnt matter how many stars these guys have. The best player in my lifetime is arguably Eric Page and he didnt have squat for football looks. NIU and Toledo will be fine standing up against their world beater galaxy of stars.

Come on now. That is just preposterous. If you don't want to believe the WMU recruiting hype, that's fine...but don't just make up crap to suit your narrative.

We are not Alabama or Ohio State. Recruiting services do not add stars when a player commits to WMU. In fact, I've personally seen the exact opposite.

(02-05-2016 06:19 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 03:25 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 02:57 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  Western got eighteen 3* players and Northern got 2? Definitely something fishy there. Let's see how many of the 18 actually end up on the roster.

Wasn't 2015 UMass's last year in the MAC?

PJ knows people at the rating system... Some of these dudes have no stars and when WMU offers them, stars magically appear. No doubt WMU is recruiting well but it doesnt matter how many stars these guys have. The best player in my lifetime is arguably Eric Page and he didnt have squat for football looks. NIU and Toledo will be fine standing up against their world beater galaxy of stars.

Come on now. That is just preposterous. If you don't want to believe the WMU recruiting hype, that's fine...but don't just make up crap to suit your narrative.

We are not Alabama or Ohio State. Recruiting services do not add stars when a player commits to WMU. In fact, I've personally seen the exact opposite.

I think he's kidding. These services do suddenly add stars depending on where a kid gets offered from or commits to, though. We've seen it happen. Mostly we're just discussing the eighteen 3*'s. It seems like some years back we had like 13, or something. I think about half of them ended up on the roster. Your mileage may vary--in nautical miles, of course.

Ah okay...joke flew right over my head I guess. Maybe all the PJ-bashing that goes on elsewhere has got to me.

And you are partially right to question how many will actually end up on campus. The 2014 class was stellar, but saw many fall out either before or shortly after coming to campus. I think it had a lot to do with it being Fleck's first full class and he took a chance on a lot of guys to just fill holes right away. In contrast, the 2015 class hasn't seen any attrition yet. Every single kid made it to campus (minus greyshirts and such, of course) and we haven't lost one yet. Now that Coach Fleck has his system in place and is recruiting more specifically, we're getting kids that fit the program and are going to stick around.

(02-05-2016 09:17 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  Ah okay...joke flew right over my head I guess. Maybe all the PJ-bashing that goes on elsewhere has got to me.

And you are partially right to question how many will actually end up on campus. The 2014 class was stellar, but saw many fall out either before or shortly after coming to campus. I think it had a lot to do with it being Fleck's first full class and he took a chance on a lot of guys to just fill holes right away. In contrast, the 2015 class hasn't seen any attrition yet. Every single kid made it to campus (minus greyshirts and such, of course) and we haven't lost one yet. Now that Coach Fleck has his system in place and is recruiting more specifically, we're getting kids that fit the program and are going to stick around.

Fleck will eventually follow the Proce$$ just like Campbell...

(02-06-2016 03:34 AM)RangerRocket Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 09:17 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  Ah okay...joke flew right over my head I guess. Maybe all the PJ-bashing that goes on elsewhere has got to me.

And you are partially right to question how many will actually end up on campus. The 2014 class was stellar, but saw many fall out either before or shortly after coming to campus. I think it had a lot to do with it being Fleck's first full class and he took a chance on a lot of guys to just fill holes right away. In contrast, the 2015 class hasn't seen any attrition yet. Every single kid made it to campus (minus greyshirts and such, of course) and we haven't lost one yet. Now that Coach Fleck has his system in place and is recruiting more specifically, we're getting kids that fit the program and are going to stick around.

Fleck will eventually follow the Proce$$ just like Campbell...

Oh, no doubt. There's little to no chance he'll be around after the 2016 season. Unless the team absolutely bombs for some reason, which I don't see happening.

(02-05-2016 09:17 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  Ah okay...joke flew right over my head I guess. Maybe all the PJ-bashing that goes on elsewhere has got to me.

And you are partially right to question how many will actually end up on campus. The 2014 class was stellar, but saw many fall out either before or shortly after coming to campus. I think it had a lot to do with it being Fleck's first full class and he took a chance on a lot of guys to just fill holes right away. In contrast, the 2015 class hasn't seen any attrition yet. Every single kid made it to campus (minus greyshirts and such, of course) and we haven't lost one yet. Now that Coach Fleck has his system in place and is recruiting more specifically, we're getting kids that fit the program and are going to stick around.

Sounds pretty good. Things have obviously turned around. I think the worst is behind you.

(02-06-2016 12:43 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 09:17 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  Ah okay...joke flew right over my head I guess. Maybe all the PJ-bashing that goes on elsewhere has got to me.

And you are partially right to question how many will actually end up on campus. The 2014 class was stellar, but saw many fall out either before or shortly after coming to campus. I think it had a lot to do with it being Fleck's first full class and he took a chance on a lot of guys to just fill holes right away. In contrast, the 2015 class hasn't seen any attrition yet. Every single kid made it to campus (minus greyshirts and such, of course) and we haven't lost one yet. Now that Coach Fleck has his system in place and is recruiting more specifically, we're getting kids that fit the program and are going to stick around.

Sounds pretty good. Things have obviously turned around. I think the worst is behind you.

WMU RB commit, Matt Falcon - 25 offers
I realize this kid has had two season-ending injuries (which is very unfortunate) but don't you think he has some juice left to possible terrorize the MAC? You've got to be very talented to have 25 DI FBS offers.

(02-06-2016 12:47 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  

(02-06-2016 12:43 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 09:17 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  Ah okay...joke flew right over my head I guess. Maybe all the PJ-bashing that goes on elsewhere has got to me.

And you are partially right to question how many will actually end up on campus. The 2014 class was stellar, but saw many fall out either before or shortly after coming to campus. I think it had a lot to do with it being Fleck's first full class and he took a chance on a lot of guys to just fill holes right away. In contrast, the 2015 class hasn't seen any attrition yet. Every single kid made it to campus (minus greyshirts and such, of course) and we haven't lost one yet. Now that Coach Fleck has his system in place and is recruiting more specifically, we're getting kids that fit the program and are going to stick around.

Sounds pretty good. Things have obviously turned around. I think the worst is behind you.

WMU RB commit, Matt Falcon - 25 offers
I realize this kid has had two season-ending injuries (which is very unfortunate) but don't you think he has some juice left to possible terrorize the MAC? You've got to be very talented to have 25 DI FBS offers.

I don't like his last name.

(02-06-2016 12:47 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  

(02-06-2016 12:43 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 09:17 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  Ah okay...joke flew right over my head I guess. Maybe all the PJ-bashing that goes on elsewhere has got to me.

And you are partially right to question how many will actually end up on campus. The 2014 class was stellar, but saw many fall out either before or shortly after coming to campus. I think it had a lot to do with it being Fleck's first full class and he took a chance on a lot of guys to just fill holes right away. In contrast, the 2015 class hasn't seen any attrition yet. Every single kid made it to campus (minus greyshirts and such, of course) and we haven't lost one yet. Now that Coach Fleck has his system in place and is recruiting more specifically, we're getting kids that fit the program and are going to stick around.

Sounds pretty good. Things have obviously turned around. I think the worst is behind you.

WMU RB commit, Matt Falcon - 25 offers
I realize this kid has had two season-ending injuries (which is very unfortunate) but don't you think he has some juice left to possible terrorize the MAC? You've got to be very talented to have 25 DI FBS offers.

Was talented. This is a gamble for Fleck. 2 ACL injuries and he's not the same RB. There is reason why he ended up at WMU. Rivals had him ranked as a 3 Star recruit with two other MAC signees ranked a head of him in the State of Michigan.