Below is the amount of Herd recruits ranked in the top 10 of their class by 247 sports who remained on the roster as of 2015.

2011 – 40%
2012 – 40%
2013 – 40%
2014 – 40%
2015 – 80%

So yes, on average. 60% of our top 10 recruits each year either don’t make the grades, get kicked off the team for behavior, or leave for some other reason.

I think that is unusually high, just my opinion, but realize that is the game that Doc is playing. I don’t necessarily have a problem with it. He’s rolling the dice on most of the players in our top 10 knowing that it’s worth losing 6 if he can get 4 players of a higher caliber. Some of them obviously work out very well.

(02-07-2016 06:22 PM)HERD1 Wrote:  Below is the amount of Herd recruits ranked in the top 10 of their class by 247 sports who remained on the roster as of 2015.

2011 – 40%
2012 – 40%
2013 – 40%
2014 – 40%
2015 – 80%

So yes, on average. 60% of our top 10 recruits each year either don’t make the grades, get kicked off the team for behavior, or leave for some other reason.

I think that is unusually high, just my opinion, but realize that is the game that Doc is playing. I don’t necessarily have a problem with it. He’s rolling the dice on most of the players in our top 10 knowing that it’s worth losing 6 if he can get 4 players of a higher caliber. Some of them obviously work out very well.

You do realize that pretty much every program out there rolls the dice with coveted recruits, right? It isn't just a marshall or CUSA problem. For every one that doesn't make it, there are two that do and make considerable contributions. A program has to give these kids a chance, especially a non P5 program. To think that Doc doesn't know the risks is very silly and to think he doesn't have a plan including those risks is also very silly. He has been doing this a long time.

(02-08-2016 09:12 AM)herdinva Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 06:22 PM)HERD1 Wrote:  Below is the amount of Herd recruits ranked in the top 10 of their class by 247 sports who remained on the roster as of 2015.

2011 – 40%
2012 – 40%
2013 – 40%
2014 – 40%
2015 – 80%

So yes, on average. 60% of our top 10 recruits each year either don’t make the grades, get kicked off the team for behavior, or leave for some other reason.

I think that is unusually high, just my opinion, but realize that is the game that Doc is playing. I don’t necessarily have a problem with it. He’s rolling the dice on most of the players in our top 10 knowing that it’s worth losing 6 if he can get 4 players of a higher caliber. Some of them obviously work out very well.

You do realize that pretty much every program out there rolls the dice with coveted recruits, right? It isn't just a marshall or CUSA problem. For every one that doesn't make it, there are two that do and make considerable contributions. A program has to give these kids a chance, especially a non P5 program. To think that Doc doesn't know the risks is very silly and to think he doesn't have a plan including those risks is also very silly. He has been doing this a long time.

1.) That was the point of the original post, to see if other programs experience this to the degree we do. I realize most do to some degree, but to THIS degree...I don't know. That's why I thought I'd ask.

2.) Yes Doc knows the risks he's taking. That's what I said (bold above). And as I said, I'm fine with that philosophy.

(02-08-2016 09:23 AM)HERD1 Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 09:12 AM)herdinva Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 06:22 PM)HERD1 Wrote:  Below is the amount of Herd recruits ranked in the top 10 of their class by 247 sports who remained on the roster as of 2015.

2011 – 40%
2012 – 40%
2013 – 40%
2014 – 40%
2015 – 80%

So yes, on average. 60% of our top 10 recruits each year either don’t make the grades, get kicked off the team for behavior, or leave for some other reason.

I think that is unusually high, just my opinion, but realize that is the game that Doc is playing. I don’t necessarily have a problem with it. He’s rolling the dice on most of the players in our top 10 knowing that it’s worth losing 6 if he can get 4 players of a higher caliber. Some of them obviously work out very well.

You do realize that pretty much every program out there rolls the dice with coveted recruits, right? It isn't just a marshall or CUSA problem. For every one that doesn't make it, there are two that do and make considerable contributions. A program has to give these kids a chance, especially a non P5 program. To think that Doc doesn't know the risks is very silly and to think he doesn't have a plan including those risks is also very silly. He has been doing this a long time.

1.) That was the point of the original post, to see if other programs experience this to the degree we do. I realize most do to some degree, but to THIS degree...I don't know. That's why I thought I'd ask.

2.) Yes Doc knows the risks he's taking. That's what I said (bold above). And as I said, I'm fine with that philosophy.

Well it is going to be hard to draw a comparison, not every G5 program is willing to go after the higher profile kids (Mark Snyder wouldn't, his record with success using the HELP program was very lacking as well) or has a HELP program like we do to get the ones who fall through the cracks. Look how many 4 stars have signed with G5's over the last 5 years. Or high rated 3 stars with similar offer lists. That is going to be a very small list of programs. What I am saying is its not going to be an apples to apples comparison in a good portion of cases.

(02-08-2016 09:36 AM)herdinva Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 09:23 AM)HERD1 Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 09:12 AM)herdinva Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 06:22 PM)HERD1 Wrote:  Below is the amount of Herd recruits ranked in the top 10 of their class by 247 sports who remained on the roster as of 2015.

2011 – 40%
2012 – 40%
2013 – 40%
2014 – 40%
2015 – 80%

So yes, on average. 60% of our top 10 recruits each year either don’t make the grades, get kicked off the team for behavior, or leave for some other reason.

I think that is unusually high, just my opinion, but realize that is the game that Doc is playing. I don’t necessarily have a problem with it. He’s rolling the dice on most of the players in our top 10 knowing that it’s worth losing 6 if he can get 4 players of a higher caliber. Some of them obviously work out very well.

You do realize that pretty much every program out there rolls the dice with coveted recruits, right? It isn't just a marshall or CUSA problem. For every one that doesn't make it, there are two that do and make considerable contributions. A program has to give these kids a chance, especially a non P5 program. To think that Doc doesn't know the risks is very silly and to think he doesn't have a plan including those risks is also very silly. He has been doing this a long time.

1.) That was the point of the original post, to see if other programs experience this to the degree we do. I realize most do to some degree, but to THIS degree...I don't know. That's why I thought I'd ask.

2.) Yes Doc knows the risks he's taking. That's what I said (bold above). And as I said, I'm fine with that philosophy.

Well it is going to be hard to draw a comparison, not every G5 program is willing to go after the higher profile kids (Mark Snyder wouldn't, his record with success using the HELP program was very lacking as well) or has a HELP program like we do to get the ones who fall through the cracks. Look how many 4 stars have signed with G5's over the last 5 years. Or high rated 3 stars with similar offer lists. That is going to be a very small list of programs. What I am saying is its not going to be an apples to apples comparison in a good portion of cases.

Did the HELP program even exist when Snyder was coach????

Not an excuse for him, because he was a complete DUD, I just don't know how long the HELP program has been in existence.

(02-08-2016 09:40 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 09:36 AM)herdinva Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 09:23 AM)HERD1 Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 09:12 AM)herdinva Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 06:22 PM)HERD1 Wrote:  Below is the amount of Herd recruits ranked in the top 10 of their class by 247 sports who remained on the roster as of 2015.

2011 – 40%
2012 – 40%
2013 – 40%
2014 – 40%
2015 – 80%

So yes, on average. 60% of our top 10 recruits each year either don’t make the grades, get kicked off the team for behavior, or leave for some other reason.

I think that is unusually high, just my opinion, but realize that is the game that Doc is playing. I don’t necessarily have a problem with it. He’s rolling the dice on most of the players in our top 10 knowing that it’s worth losing 6 if he can get 4 players of a higher caliber. Some of them obviously work out very well.

You do realize that pretty much every program out there rolls the dice with coveted recruits, right? It isn't just a marshall or CUSA problem. For every one that doesn't make it, there are two that do and make considerable contributions. A program has to give these kids a chance, especially a non P5 program. To think that Doc doesn't know the risks is very silly and to think he doesn't have a plan including those risks is also very silly. He has been doing this a long time.

1.) That was the point of the original post, to see if other programs experience this to the degree we do. I realize most do to some degree, but to THIS degree...I don't know. That's why I thought I'd ask.

2.) Yes Doc knows the risks he's taking. That's what I said (bold above). And as I said, I'm fine with that philosophy.

Well it is going to be hard to draw a comparison, not every G5 program is willing to go after the higher profile kids (Mark Snyder wouldn't, his record with success using the HELP program was very lacking as well) or has a HELP program like we do to get the ones who fall through the cracks. Look how many 4 stars have signed with G5's over the last 5 years. Or high rated 3 stars with similar offer lists. That is going to be a very small list of programs. What I am saying is its not going to be an apples to apples comparison in a good portion of cases.

Did the HELP program even exist when Snyder was coach????

Not an excuse for him, because he was a complete DUD, I just don't know how long the HELP program has been in existence.

Pretty sure it did, as least for a few years, and he did not have success bringing kids in that just had one issue or what have you, getting eligible. Doc has been pretty dang good at recognizing good players who needed better SAT or ACT scores or needed a class the high school failed to give them. Since we are talking about that, I would like to see his success rate of that. I bet its better than the ones who were eligible right out of the gate.