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RE: Houston's coach Tom Herman: The AAC has separated from the other G5 leagues
(02-03-2016 08:09 PM)panama Wrote:  
(02-03-2016 07:51 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(02-03-2016 07:01 PM)panama Wrote:  
(02-03-2016 06:30 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  They are the best of the G5 but please the separation is not that great from whoever is #2. It like saying you have the nicest chair at thanksgiving at the kids table. Until the G5 gets reasonable access to a expanded playoff the AAC will bang its head on the G5 ceiling while growing conferences like this one gain on them.

They have 7 schools ranked 77 or better in recruiting and 9 ranked 85 or better.


And? Like you way you spin lol. You definitely missed your calling in politics. Only Houston is in big boy territory at 40 lol. The next highest is 21 spots down. So six of those super 7 are between 77 and 61. Sounds a little different when you know they are basically still logged jammed behind just about all P5's and will end up being within 10 spots of the Belts top class. We may even pass a few more once are three three star kids are updated.
Houston's best recruit had strong ties with the coaching staff I think I heard on ESPN. They drop nearly 20 points without him which would drop them about 14 spots. It is rare G5 gets a five star actually it is the first time ever. AAC is still not near a P5 from top to bottom. Houston, once Herman leaves, will come back down to earth and they will bang their heads on the G5 ceiling like all the other good G5's.

I said they were the best G5 no doubt but my statement is still 100% true. They have a really nice chair at the G5 table but it is not like conferences can't close the gap. Houston is the only team on that list that impresses me. For the rest I think GS would be at worst 50/50 for any other team and the favorite against most.

No spin. Just facts. 7 schools ranked above the top SBC school. What do you want next? Athletic budget? MBB RPI? LOL.

Well if you want to change the narrative and make this about Sun Belt vs AAC since trying to make them sound like a P5 is a joke and 7 abbove 77 meant only ONE was in decent P5 territory lol. Yes AAC is better than the Sun Belt today who said they were not?

So they had a good year where did all the coaches go.....Where will Herman go when a Big 10 school offers him twice what he makes at Houston? The sky is not the limit in the G5 as of today. The top team are already starting to bang their heads on the G5 ceiling and all the teams behind them will slowly gain. So will all the other G5 conferences with growing programs like the Sun Belt is full of. Temple has a few good years coach leaves then back in the dumpster.
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(02-03-2016 05:28 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  On ESPN he just said, and I carefully transcribed thanks to my DVR:

"I believe that the way that the system is set up now in terms of the College Football Playoff Committee deciding who goes not only to the playoffs but the New Year's six bowl game, and the highest ranked non-group of five or non-power 5 school gets an automatic bid to one of those New Year's six bowl games, that our conference has certainly separated itself, undoubtedly, from the other non-power 5 conferences. So barring some other school having some miracle season in some other conference, if you win the American Athletic Conference you're going to play on New Year's Day."

This from the most heavily subsidized program in the country.
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I'll be rooting for Houston to lose every game this season
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Surprised Herman can talk with all them golds and diamonds in his mouf

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/12/houston-...-paul-wall
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I don't even know why people are trying the "this year" thing lol. The AAC actually has "BCS" bowl wins. They actually compete with P5 teams and their basketball is leagues better...along with facilities, and attendance. Yes, they are on a different level overall than anyone other than the MWC. Unless Boise manages to have one of those 1 loss seasons they will most likely get the access bowl close to every year.
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(02-03-2016 09:36 PM)panama Wrote:  Temple was 10-4 and beat Penn State and finished #41 (Massey Composite)
Memphis was 9-4 and finished #37

Considering that only three non AAC G5 schools finished ahead of Temple, they aren't that bad. Have they created complete separation? No. But the way they are headed budget and facility wise it's obvious where they are headed and few have the resources to keep up.

Temple has a long way to go...If they slip for one year, Philly will put them back into the Villanova category....and the stadium they are trying to build, good luck with a city that has terrible budget problems and losing money trying to stop the leak in their school system.
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(02-04-2016 09:41 AM)JTApps1 Wrote:  Coaches from Boise and Colorado State could have made the same claims for the previous 3 years. Those two conferences each have a few standout programs that make the rest of the league look better, but many of their programs are no better than the rest of us.

Let's not forget they had the worst bowl record of any G5 conference this year as well.

That's really what most conference perception is. How do people see the team(s) at the top.
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No, no...for me the SEC is Vandy and Kentucky, :D
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Just to start---everyone knows a team from any G5 can make the access bowl---even Herman acknowledged that in the quoted comment.

To be fair, Herman was on a show about recruiting and that's no doubt part of his recruiting pitch. I think to an extent, he makes a reasonable point to the kids (forget about how he phrased it)---a kid signing at a top AAC school probably has a better chance to play his way to a major NYD bowl than he would playing for most mid-tier to lower tier power conference schools. On top of that, the AAC has a few build in advantages that could give them a long term leg up over the other G5s. More money, more legacy teams with power conference history, and a near power conference level of exposure.

The reality is the AAC has most of the largest budgets in the G5. They managed to hang onto most of their sought after coaches. They lost Fuente, but held onto Ruhle, Herman, and Niumatalolo. SMU hired Chad Morris, Phillip Montgomery (Baylor OC) is now coaching Tulsa. Oregon OC Scott Frost is now HC at UCF. Soilid successful Sunbelt coaching alums Taggert and Fritz are at USF and Tulane. I think the money to hire these types of exciting top up and coming names in coaching is a significant advantage for the AAC. I can say, as fan of a western division school, I think Tom Herman, Chad Morris, Willie Fritz, Ken Niumatalolo, Phillip Montgomery, and Mike Norville (Arizona St OC) should make for some entertaining western division football races over the next few years.

The AAC TV contract that allows kids to play most all their games on national TV (mostly on the ESPN family of networks) does give the AAC a certain recruiting advantage over much of the G5. The first thing most kids ask when talking with coaches is how often are you on ESPN. The TV contract where virtually all the games are nationally televised is a big help on the recruiting trail.

Last year was a very good year for the AAC, there were 4 ranked AAC teams at one point. I tend to agree that some of the AAC top teams will take a step back. That said, I think others will step forward. Watch out for USF. Taggart has out recruited everyone for several years and hasn't really converted that into wins. Last year his team started to win and think they will be VERY good next year. As long as you have good coaching and can recruit well, you can still do well in the G5 (regardless of conference). The thing that helps the AAC is they have ALOT of teams recruiting well and ALOT of teams investing in top end coaching, so the odds are they will typically have more unusually good teams (for a G5 conference) most years than the other G5's. That depth will help the winner of the conference to stand out among the other G5 champs. Wont necessarily happen every year--but I think Hermans point is that the AAC schools will have to fumble away the access bowl opportunity--in other words--they will more often than not, be in control of their own destiny. That's all you can really ask for.
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(02-04-2016 08:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Just to start---everyone knows a team from any G5 can make the access bowl---even Herman acknowledged that in the quoted comment.

To be fair, Herman was on a show about recruiting and that's no doubt part of his recruiting pitch. I think to an extent, he makes a reasonable point to the kids (forget about how he phrased it)---a kid signing at a top AAC school probably has a better chance to play his way to a major NYD bowl than he would playing for most mid-tier to lower tier power conference schools. On top of that, the AAC has a few build in advantages that could give them a long term leg up over the other G5s. More money, more legacy teams with power conference history, and a near power conference level of exposure.

The reality is the AAC has most of the largest budgets in the G5. They managed to hang onto most of their sought after coaches. They lost Fuente, but held onto Ruhle, Herman, and Niumatalolo. SMU hired Chad Morris, Phillip Montgomery (Baylor OC) is now coaching Tulsa. Oregon OC Scott Frost is now HC at UCF. Soilid successful Sunbelt coaching alums Taggert and Fritz are at USF and Tulane. I think the money to hire these types of exciting top up and coming names in coaching is a significant advantage for the AAC. I can say, as fan of a western division school, I think Tom Herman, Chad Morris, Willie Fritz, Ken Niumatalolo, Phillip Morris, and Mike Norville (Arizona St OC) should make for some entertaining western division football races over the next few years.

The AAC TV contract that allows kids to play most all their games on national TV (mostly on the ESPN family of networks) does give the AAC a certain recruiting advantage over much of the G5. The first thing most kids ask when talking with coaches is how often are you on ESPN. The TV contract where virtually all the games are nationally televised is a big help on the recruiting trail.

Last year was a very good year for the AAC, there were 4 ranked AAC teams at one point. I tend to agree that some of the AAC top teams will take a step back. That said, I think others will step forward. Watch out for USF. Taggart has out recruited everyone for several years and hasn't really converted that into wins. Last year his team started to win and think they will be VERY good next year. As long as you have good coaching and can recruit well, you can still do well in the G5 (regardless of conference). The thing that helps the AAC is they have ALOT of teams recruiting well and ALOT of teams investing in top end coaching, so the odds are they will typically have more unusually good teams (for a G5 conference) most years than the other G5's. That depth will help the winner of the conference to stand out among the other G5 champs. Wont necessarily happen every year--but I think Hermans point is that the AAC schools will have to fumble away the access bowl opportunity--in other words--they will more often than not, be in control of their own destiny. That's all you can really ask for.

I don't mind any coach making comments saying his league is better than others. A few years ago the Sun Belt was the best G5 league (no one saw it coming) and we deserved the bragging rights associated with it. Currently the Sun Belt is nowhere being the best, but we do have potential to get better. Anyone here would be crazy to refute that the AAC doesn't have many advantages over the other G5 leagues. But to say point blank "Barring some other school having some miracle season in some other conference, if you win the American Athletic Conference you're going to play on New Year's Day" is a little too emboldened for my liking. He has the same attitude towards the other G5 leagues that the P5 leagues show towards us. And I just don't think the AAC has completely separated from the MWC. And I hate to tell him, but Boise State doesn't need a "miracle season" to have a chance at the New Year's Bowl, just a "normal season."
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I'm a man of numbers... using Massey's Composite rankings, here is how the AAC performed out of conference.

Since there are 128 teams I've broken this down into 4 segments to show tiered wins...

Regular Season Out of Conference Games:
Win Percentage Overall: 29-19 (60.42%)
Win Percentage Against Teams Ranked 1-32: 1-8 (11.11%)
Win Percentage Against Teams Ranked 33-64: 5-4 (55.56%)
Win Percentage Against Teams Ranked 65-96: 4-4 (50.00%)
Win Percentage Against Teams Ranked 97-128: 11-1 (91.67%)
Win Percentage Against FCS Teams: 8-2 (80%)

Bowl Record: 2-6 (25%)
Overall Win Percentage Regular Season and Bowls: 31-25 (55.35%)

I'm not saying the AAC wasn't the best G5 conference last year, but I don't expect the G5 conference that has "certainly separated itself, undoubtedly" to have lost 2 FCS games. Also, it's fair to point out that the 60.42 winning percentage was bolstered by games against the bottom 25 and FCS. Without those games the win percentage shrinks to 35.29% (counting bowls).
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Time will tell, but $$$ talks and the AAC has most of G5 money. Better TV, Better facilities, Bigger budgets, an usually better coaches all will lead to a better place. The AAC barring raids will over a few years make the perceived gap bigger. The hardest thing for AAC to do is improve more on bowl situation. If we could break out a couple of the bottom current P5vs P5 bowls and give up a couple of bottom G5 the difference would grow even more.
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Don't forget, some of you who are saying "AAC coaches will get hired away and the rest of us will catch up", that the same will happen to us. Scott Satterfield at Appalachian State has another one to three 11-win seasons and he'll start getting some major attention. And when he leaves for that $2 million deal there's no guarantee we (or any G5 school) will be able to replace a highly successful coach. And even if you do it takes 2-3 years to build things back up.

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(02-05-2016 11:40 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  there's no guarantee we (or any G5 school) will be able to replace a highly successful coach. And even if you do it takes 2-3 years to build things back up.

Except for stAte, obviously.

We just keep winning and dominating the Sun Belt, despite losing highly successful coaches.
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(02-05-2016 11:47 AM)asuwon Wrote:  
(02-05-2016 11:40 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  there's no guarantee we (or any G5 school) will be able to replace a highly successful coach. And even if you do it takes 2-3 years to build things back up.

Except for stAte, obviously.

We just keep winning and dominating the Sun Belt, despite losing highly successful coaches.

Exactly right.
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(02-05-2016 12:55 PM)Ed Harley Wrote:  
(02-05-2016 11:47 AM)asuwon Wrote:  
(02-05-2016 11:40 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  there's no guarantee we (or any G5 school) will be able to replace a highly successful coach. And even if you do it takes 2-3 years to build things back up.

Except for stAte, obviously.

We just keep winning and dominating the Sun Belt, despite losing highly successful coaches.

Exactly right.
Agreed. I meant to go back and make an edit regarding stAte and Southern's ability to make great coaching hires with minimal to no drop off. It's impressive.

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(02-05-2016 01:45 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  Agreed. I meant to go back and make an edit regarding stAte and Southern's ability to make great coaching hires with minimal to no drop off. It's impressive.

We had minimal drop off with our last FB coaching hire. 07-coffee3
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(02-04-2016 08:20 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  As for Temple, yes this school is looking better than in the past, but their facilities are not special, commuter school, and their stadium situation is a mess. Also if they have another successful season, their coach will begin getting offers from P5 schools. Also they are 50 miles from a BIG10 school who hasn't even received half of the money they will normally be receiving like all the other BIG10 schools.

Temple isn't going anywhere special.

One school that should be special is East Carolina but that administration is a mess and I don't see them rebounding anytime soon either.

They have a few things going for them. Their football scheduling has been very good. Temple has a four game home-and-home series scheduled with Rutgers starting in 2020. They have another home-and-home series with Maryland in 2018 & 2019. They had home games with Penn State and Notre Dame this season. They averaged over 44,000 this season at Lincoln Financial Field.

Temple basketball is very good. They have appeared in the NCAA tournament 23 times in the last 33 years. The recruiting for both basketball and football is pretty good and they have a top five TV market.
They are talking about building an on-campus stadium and upgrading facilities. They look like they could be special.
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(02-05-2016 01:45 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  Agreed. I meant to go back and make an edit regarding stAte and Southern's ability to make great coaching hires with minimal to no drop off. It's impressive.

We had minimal drop off with our last FB coaching hire. 07-coffee3

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(02-05-2016 09:54 PM)trapdrawApp Wrote:  
(02-05-2016 02:30 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  
(02-05-2016 01:45 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  Agreed. I meant to go back and make an edit regarding stAte and Southern's ability to make great coaching hires with minimal to no drop off. It's impressive.

We had minimal drop off with our last FB coaching hire. 07-coffee3

03-lmfao that's the kind of humor that I appreciate.

Yeah +3'd that one.
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