(02-05-2016 12:34 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  A quick check shows a 3 to 7 hundred K annual operating budget for college hockey. That doesn't include startup costs, facility cost (if you build) or schollies. Someone mentioned revenue from renting to HSs. Not sure what we're renting? Not an ice arena we don't have. If we eventually draw 2,500 per game (a pipe dream given the figures nationwide and given the two revenue sport competition in winter) we'd gross about $30,000 a game. Not sure how many games hockey plays but a women's program would bleed cash like crazy for years, probably for it's existence.

I've seen those types of numbers for hockey costs, and to be honest I have a hard time believing they are that low.

18 scholarships.
Salaries for HC, assistants (I think hockey allows 2), training staff, other staff positions like director of operations
Recruiting costs
game-day travel costs
ice time (games & practice and training time), or rink operating costs
very significant equipment budget
marketing, etc.

even if you pay the coaches measly salaries, the scholarships and salaries alone are gonna add up into the several hundred $K.

(02-05-2016 04:47 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 12:34 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  A quick check shows a 3 to 7 hundred K annual operating budget for college hockey. That doesn't include startup costs, facility cost (if you build) or schollies. Someone mentioned revenue from renting to HSs. Not sure what we're renting? Not an ice arena we don't have. If we eventually draw 2,500 per game (a pipe dream given the figures nationwide and given the two revenue sport competition in winter) we'd gross about $30,000 a game. Not sure how many games hockey plays but a women's program would bleed cash like crazy for years, probably for it's existence.

I've seen those types of numbers for hockey costs, and to be honest I have a hard time believing they are that low.

18 scholarships.
Salaries for HC, assistants (I think hockey allows 2), training staff, other staff positions like director of operations
Recruiting costs
game-day travel costs
ice time (games & practice and training time), or rink operating costs
very significant equipment budget
marketing, etc.

even if you pay the coaches measly salaries, the scholarships and salaries alone are gonna add up into the several hundred $K.

Numbers I posted don't include schollies or salaries (which I neglected to mention in the earlier post). If you got really big crowds, and pretty much no one does, you MIGHT cover operating costs-salaries, schollies, etc.: no way. Moreover, as I understand Title 9, you might have to add some men's schollies or a sport or cut another women's program. And if you pay measly salaries you get measly coaches, measly records and measly crowds. If you pay big salaries you get more costs, better records, better coaches and measly crowds.

(02-05-2016 04:44 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 02:28 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 12:31 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  It does raise an interesting question...and I'm not suggesting this is "apples to apples", but...what is the average attendance at UT for the following "non-revenue" sports? Is it more than 500 for any of them? I really don't know, so at the moment, I'm not trying to make a point, if there's one even to be made...

Men's baseball
Women's softball
Women's soccer
Women's swimming & diving

Women's soccer might be a bit above 500 per game. But every other sport is below 500

I have a group of friends that all played baseball in high school and enjoy the sport very much but we've never been to a Toledo game....1. because we never want to just venture over to Scott Park. 2. because our facilities suck. 3. because our teams generally suck. We could easily get soccer, baseball and softball above 500 attendees if they played on nicer fields we were proud of, on campus.

I would love to watch the soccer and baseball teams but they play their games in the afternoons during the week while people are at work. Even weekend games are early afternoon and I work during that time also. That's one reason I hate day Rocket football games.
WORK, WORK, WORK........