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Crazy amount of players leaving the Illinois football program:
http://www.dailyillini.com/article/2016/...o-transfer

Its good for Cubit that he got the head coaching job but its hard to imagine a bigger mess to inherit. He's really set up for failure, unfortunately.

(01-26-2016 04:19 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  Its good for Cubit that he got the head coaching job but its hard to imagine a bigger mess to inherit. He's really set up for failure, unfortunately.

As long as WMU beats him next fall, I really do not care how he does the rest of his games. Would be thrilling to see Illinois beat BOTH Michigan and Michigan State while losing to WMU, however!

Sounds like mostly 5th year transfers. Not like losing a MAC freshmen of the year (Jamie Wilson), an All MAC corner (Toler), or an All MAC WR (Braverman).

(01-26-2016 05:03 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  Sounds like mostly 5th year transfers. Not like losing a MAC freshmen of the year (Jamie Wilson), an All MAC corner (Toler), or an All MAC WR (Braverman).

Ding ding ding.

We have a winner here. No disingenuous blathering.

Isn't Braverman a 5th year senior opting for a pro career?

Toler, I believe, transfered back to be close to his family so they could be there to watch him play on the east coast.

Jamie Wilson wanted to be with his child and family and was quiet in his football endeavors since then.

Really can't compare situations.

However, 5th year seniors transferring to other schools makes sense to get a different playing and educational experience while to pursuing a masters degree.

Tough on Cubit to lose these experienced players, but most likely has nothing to do with him and more to do with the players looking for ... see above.

By the way, I liked Cubit. I liked his commitment to the players and his commitment to the university. I also liked the fact that he dealt directly with problems.
I always wish him well and appreciate his contributions to WMU football and to WMU.

(01-26-2016 07:12 PM)bostonbronco Wrote:  Isn't Braverman a 5th year senior opting for a pro career?

Toler, I believe, transfered back to be close to his family so they could be there to watch him play on the east coast.

Jamie Wilson wanted to be with his child and family and was quiet in his football endeavors since then.

Really can't compare situations.

However, 5th year seniors transferring to other schools makes sense to get a different playing and educational experience while to pursuing a masters degree.

Tough on Cubit to lose these experienced players, but most likely has nothing to do with him and more to do with the players looking for ... see above.

By the way, I liked Cubit. I liked his commitment to the players and his commitment to the university. I also liked the fact that he dealt directly with problems.
I always wish him well and appreciate his contributions to WMU football and to WMU.

I doubt it has anything to do with Cubit. More so with the overall mess in the athletic department and the dim future of the football program (not Cubit's fault).

Agree with others that the fifth year transfers aren't too unusual, but it seems that nine of them is a very high number.

(01-26-2016 07:12 PM)bostonbronco Wrote:  Isn't Braverman a 5th year senior opting for a pro career?

Toler, I believe, transfered back to be close to his family so they could be there to watch him play on the east coast.

Jamie Wilson wanted to be with his child and family and was quiet in his football endeavors since then.

Really can't compare situations.

However, 5th year seniors transferring to other schools makes sense to get a different playing and educational experience while to pursuing a masters degree.

Tough on Cubit to lose these experienced players, but most likely has nothing to do with him and more to do with the players looking for ... see above.

By the way, I liked Cubit. I liked his commitment to the players and his commitment to the university. I also liked the fact that he dealt directly with problems.
I always wish him well and appreciate his contributions to WMU football and to WMU.

No Boston you're wrong on all counts. Wilson was forced out, Toler didn't want to play for Fleck, and Braverman had had enough of being elite.....

WMU losses were talented.

Illini, well they're the Illini.

(01-26-2016 08:14 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  No Boston you're wrong on all counts. Wilson was forced out, Toler didn't want to play for Fleck, and Braverman had had enough of being elite.....

Source?

(01-26-2016 08:14 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 07:12 PM)bostonbronco Wrote:  Isn't Braverman a 5th year senior opting for a pro career?

Toler, I believe, transfered back to be close to his family so they could be there to watch him play on the east coast.

Jamie Wilson wanted to be with his child and family and was quiet in his football endeavors since then.

Really can't compare situations.

However, 5th year seniors transferring to other schools makes sense to get a different playing and educational experience while to pursuing a masters degree.

Tough on Cubit to lose these experienced players, but most likely has nothing to do with him and more to do with the players looking for ... see above.

By the way, I liked Cubit. I liked his commitment to the players and his commitment to the university. I also liked the fact that he dealt directly with problems.
I always wish him well and appreciate his contributions to WMU football and to WMU.

No Boston you're wrong on all counts. Wilson was forced out, Toler didn't want to play for Fleck, and Braverman had had enough of being elite.....

Really? Of course, that is your OPINION. Facts and opinions are different things...

(01-26-2016 09:47 PM)GullLake Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 08:14 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 07:12 PM)bostonbronco Wrote:  Isn't Braverman a 5th year senior opting for a pro career?

Toler, I believe, transfered back to be close to his family so they could be there to watch him play on the east coast.

Jamie Wilson wanted to be with his child and family and was quiet in his football endeavors since then.

Really can't compare situations.

However, 5th year seniors transferring to other schools makes sense to get a different playing and educational experience while to pursuing a masters degree.

Tough on Cubit to lose these experienced players, but most likely has nothing to do with him and more to do with the players looking for ... see above.

By the way, I liked Cubit. I liked his commitment to the players and his commitment to the university. I also liked the fact that he dealt directly with problems.
I always wish him well and appreciate his contributions to WMU football and to WMU.

No Boston you're wrong on all counts. Wilson was forced out, Toler didn't want to play for Fleck, and Braverman had had enough of being elite.....

Really? Of course, that is your OPINION. Facts and opinions are different things...

Not an opinion. Very reliable source with no reason to lie.

...Again...why are we reporting on Illinois and Cubit. It is interesting how so much time is being dedicated to following the Illini. Last time I checked, we play them in one game. Players that have left the program are not going to be relevant to that one game.

This Cubit crap is becoming as bad as the anti-Fleck crap.

(01-27-2016 05:12 AM)wmutkelaw Wrote:  ...Again...why are we reporting on Illinois and Cubit. It is interesting how so much time is being dedicated to following the Illini. Last time I checked, we play them in one game. Players that have left the program are not going to be relevant to that one game.

This Cubit crap is becoming as bad as the anti-Fleck crap.

just go to the OTHER site like everybody else....oh....those "people" never left here...what you say?!?!

A VERY reliable source told that things will never change. No reason to lie.

(01-26-2016 09:57 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 09:47 PM)GullLake Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 08:14 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 07:12 PM)bostonbronco Wrote:  Isn't Braverman a 5th year senior opting for a pro career?

Toler, I believe, transfered back to be close to his family so they could be there to watch him play on the east coast.

Jamie Wilson wanted to be with his child and family and was quiet in his football endeavors since then.

Really can't compare situations.

However, 5th year seniors transferring to other schools makes sense to get a different playing and educational experience while to pursuing a masters degree.

Tough on Cubit to lose these experienced players, but most likely has nothing to do with him and more to do with the players looking for ... see above.

By the way, I liked Cubit. I liked his commitment to the players and his commitment to the university. I also liked the fact that he dealt directly with problems.
I always wish him well and appreciate his contributions to WMU football and to WMU.

No Boston you're wrong on all counts. Wilson was forced out, Toler didn't want to play for Fleck, and Braverman had had enough of being elite.....

Really? Of course, that is your OPINION. Facts and opinions are different things...

Not an opinion. Very reliable source with no reason to lie.

Really?! Sorry, but you've outdone yourself.

Quote:Wilson was forced out,

Personality clash? Only reason I can think for shooing a MAC FOTY out the door. Though given he chose the closest FCS school to his hometown does suggest that family/kid played at least a partial role.

How Wilson only got 14 passes in his entire following season at BCC is a mystery.

Quote:Toler didn't want to play for Fleck, and Braverman had had enough of being elite.....

There's an adjustment when coaching staffs change in general, where kids try to blend into a new fit, philosophy and plan of a new regime that didn't recruit them in the first place. And I think we'd all agree the shift in coaching style was far more radical in the Cubit-to-Fleck transition than what is typical. I would've been surprised if a few defections didn't happen.

Toler had developed a good relationship with Cohen and followed him to Rutgers, didn't have to sit out a year and got to play in a P5 stadium for a season. Seems like an understandable choice.

(01-26-2016 09:57 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 09:47 PM)GullLake Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 08:14 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 07:12 PM)bostonbronco Wrote:  Isn't Braverman a 5th year senior opting for a pro career?

Toler, I believe, transfered back to be close to his family so they could be there to watch him play on the east coast.

Jamie Wilson wanted to be with his child and family and was quiet in his football endeavors since then.

Really can't compare situations.

However, 5th year seniors transferring to other schools makes sense to get a different playing and educational experience while to pursuing a masters degree.

Tough on Cubit to lose these experienced players, but most likely has nothing to do with him and more to do with the players looking for ... see above.

By the way, I liked Cubit. I liked his commitment to the players and his commitment to the university. I also liked the fact that he dealt directly with problems.
I always wish him well and appreciate his contributions to WMU football and to WMU.

No Boston you're wrong on all counts. Wilson was forced out, Toler didn't want to play for Fleck, and Braverman had had enough of being elite.....

Really? Of course, that is your OPINION. Facts and opinions are different things...

Not an opinion. Very reliable source with no reason to lie.

Same thing i heard....

The dip never really needs a reliable source....He is the reliable source.....

(01-27-2016 07:22 AM)kshoe77 Wrote:  

(01-27-2016 05:12 AM)wmutkelaw Wrote:  ...Again...why are we reporting on Illinois and Cubit. It is interesting how so much time is being dedicated to following the Illini. Last time I checked, we play them in one game. Players that have left the program are not going to be relevant to that one game.

This Cubit crap is becoming as bad as the anti-Fleck crap.

just go to the OTHER site like everybody else....oh....those "people" never left here...what you say?!?!

A VERY reliable source told that things will never change. No reason to lie.

I have been accused of heavy handed moderation, and do not think my presence is wanted on any other board. Too bad, as Hop Slam was released last week...DB could have had fun with that.

For the record, I did not ban DB/letterman. Some may recall, I actually had even headed banter with the him. I am not particularly in one camp or the other. I think the whole good versus evil, us versus them, Cubit camp v. Fleck Camp, Pro Fleck/Anti Fleck stuff is overdone.

I remember the good old days in or around 2004-2006 (a couple of message boards ago...was that scout.com?) when people were generally pleasant and the banter was healthy.

(01-27-2016 07:22 AM)kshoe77 Wrote:  

(01-27-2016 05:12 AM)wmutkelaw Wrote:  ...Again...why are we reporting on Illinois and Cubit. It is interesting how so much time is being dedicated to following the Illini. Last time I checked, we play them in one game. Players that have left the program are not going to be relevant to that one game.

This Cubit crap is becoming as bad as the anti-Fleck crap.

just go to the OTHER site like everybody else....oh....those "people" never left here...what you say?!?!

A VERY reliable source told that things will never change. No reason to lie.

You mean the other site that had a 5 page game thread as opposed to this site that never even had a game thread?

Let's take you for example. When do you actually talk sports here? NEVER. You make these periodic appearances to rag on anyone not genuflecting about your hero.