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"Bill Cubit is a Thief" .... ?
That was the headline on a headline on Yahoo for the Champaign Room blog site article:

http://www.thechampaignroom.com/2016/1/2...is-a-thief

I have to defend Cubit a bit here (as some did). He's a low paid HC, and deservingly so with, in reality, just a 1 year deal. So his son Ryan getting a 400% raise being OC isn't a huge thing -- he was QB coach and didn't run the offense last year as the article suggests. But it is a legit question on having him as OC. However, the article does point out that it doesn't matter much, because at the end of the day, Bill is going to be the real OC and his son is going to be the puppet more or less.

The article does make a good point that the Illinois offense was Bad last year. It was. They had a decent (but inconsistent) QB, and I think their RB was injured a good amount of the time. Overall, I don't see what the other options would be. Cubit as HC, like him or not, is going to want to run the offense anyway, so hiring some $400k-worth OC on the outside wouldn't be wasting money at the end of the day anyway.
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(01-24-2016 04:37 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  That was the headline on a headline on Yahoo for the Champaign Room blog site article:

http://www.thechampaignroom.com/2016/1/2...is-a-thief

I have to defend Cubit a bit here (as some did). He's a low paid HC, and deservingly so with, in reality, just a 1 year deal. So his son Ryan getting a 400% raise being OC isn't a huge thing -- he was QB coach and didn't run the offense last year as the article suggests. But it is a legit question on having him as OC. However, the article does point out that it doesn't matter much, because at the end of the day, Bill is going to be the real OC and his son is going to be the puppet more or less.

The article does make a good point that the Illinois offense was Bad last year. It was. They had a decent (but inconsistent) QB, and I think their RB was injured a good amount of the time. Overall, I don't see what the other options would be. Cubit as HC, like him or not, is going to want to run the offense anyway, so hiring some $400k-worth OC on the outside wouldn't be wasting money at the end of the day anyway.
WMU's Mike Dudek (Corey Davis) was healthy last year.
Illini's wasn't. http://www.thechampaignroom.com/2015/4/8...g-practice
#1 reason of the illness's offensive woes.
01-24-2016 05:24 PM
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Good for Cubit.
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(01-25-2016 10:32 AM)wmutkelaw Wrote:  Good for Cubit.

Every parent on here would do the same thing for their child if their child were qualified and they were in a position to do so. It's ethical, legal and honest.
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"Bill Cubit is a Thief" .... ?
The question is one of qualification, that and let's be honest, Ryan is a glorified spotter, he sees some things , passes them to dad and dad calls the play.
Once again, Bill and his inability to let go of the reigns, he really needs a dedicated OC so he can be the head coach, people complained of the same things in his final years here.
The Illini faithful are eating this thing alive, but then their entire athletic program is a joke right now.
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(01-25-2016 10:52 AM)Windycitybronco Wrote:  The question is one of qualification, that and let's be honest, Ryan is a glorified spotter, he sees some things , passes them to dad and dad calls the play.
Once again, Bill and his inability to let go of the reigns, he really needs a dedicated OC so he can be the head coach, people complained of the same things in his final years here.
The Illini faithful are eating this thing alive, but then their entire athletic program is a joke right now.

Ryan is a glorified spotter?

Thanks moron.
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I completely understand where this writer is coming from and his frustrations, and he makes some very good points IMO.. however if we're strictly talking about appropriate salary/compensation based on the position (Big Ten coordinator) then I think it's actually fair despite the optics of it all.
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(01-25-2016 11:05 AM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  
(01-25-2016 10:52 AM)Windycitybronco Wrote:  The question is one of qualification, that and let's be honest, Ryan is a glorified spotter, he sees some things , passes them to dad and dad calls the play.
Once again, Bill and his inability to let go of the reigns, he really needs a dedicated OC so he can be the head coach, people complained of the same things in his final years here.
The Illini faithful are eating this thing alive, but then their entire athletic program is a joke right now.

Ryan is a glorified spotter?

Thanks moron.

However, it wasn't until he got injured that i was inspired to create a username.
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Hey Dip, do you really feel Ryan deserves an OC position at a big 10 school??? Based on what???
By the way, You're such a bitter little S**t....you act like a scorned child. Everything you do down to your incessant rants about CMU and your hate for our current administration. It gets old. It all just sets up shop in your head and cooks up breakfast everyday!
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Cubit is getting his shot to be a P5 HC, four years after being fired at a G5.

He's only got a two-year contract.

Of course he's going to hire guys he knows, has worked with, are loyal to him.

His OC played QB and coached for him, knows the Offense cold. Just happens to be his son.

If you had one chance late in your career to be a Big Ten HFC, who would you hire?
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(01-26-2016 10:48 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Cubit is getting his shot to be a P5 HC, four years after being fired at a G5.

He's only got a two-year contract.

Of course he's going to hire guys he knows, has worked with, are loyal to him.

His OC played QB and coached for him, knows the Offense cold. Just happens to be his son.

If you had one chance late in your career to be a Big Ten HFC, who would you hire?

For Bill's sake, let's hope Ryan is a better OC under pressure than he was a QB. 07-coffee3
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I see no problem with what BC is doing. I see a problem with the need for another thread about BC on our board.

Unless it is about the Illini playing WMU, I don't want more articles in this board that are negative or positive about Cubit. I wish the Cubit family success and thank them for their years of service at WMU. Ryan was a good QB. But we are now coming into year 4 of Fleck, yet we still are being subjected to the ongoing infighting about Fleck/Cubit.

Time to move on.
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Quote:But we are now coming into year 4 of Fleck, yet we still are being subjected to the ongoing infighting about Fleck/Cubit.

Time to move on.

Yeah, I don't think there's going to be any infighting about Fleck/Cubit come non-conference season in September when it's Literally Fleck @ Cubit. :)

I agree though, I would have hired Ryan if my schtick was to always have one hand on the Offense. There isn't any wrong with the salaries -- I think the author's smoking something on that. I think the frustration with Illini fans is that they were 98th in offense this past year and don't like Cubit being HC + manning controls of the offense (even though he made their offense better when hired as OC).

In the end, IMO, if BC is going to be HC, he better have his hands on the offense -- that's the best it's going to work for the team.

Should be interesting September 17th. Less than 8 months away! Not even a pregnancy's worth of time!
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It's not as though the Cubit/Cubit situation is unique. Brian Ferentz has been OL coach at Iowa, working with dad- HC Kirk Ferentz for the last four years. His salary at time of hire was $202 K.
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Very common to "find" a position for the spouse in order to bring in a candidate. Might be somewhere else in the community. Just part of the unspoken benefits of the privileged class.

I have nothing against Ryan at all. Good player, good coach. Good rapport with dad. Dad trusts him.
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You get what you (over)pay for?

03-idea03-shhhh
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(01-30-2016 10:13 AM)ChuckNorris Wrote:  You get what you (over)pay for?

03-idea03-shhhh

I'll bite. Ryan/Bill gave us Terrel, Carder, and Hiller. Fleck has given us an undersized QB, who won't last three games before he gets his bell rung. Before that he gave us a 4 star QB who did nothing.

The jury is out on whether he can recruit and develop a QB.
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(01-30-2016 11:30 AM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  
(01-30-2016 10:13 AM)ChuckNorris Wrote:  You get what you (over)pay for?

03-idea03-shhhh

I'll bite. Ryan/Bill gave us Terrel, Carder, and Hiller. Fleck has given us an undersized QB, who won't last three games before he gets his bell rung. Before that he gave us a 4 star QB who did nothing.

The jury is out on whether he can recruit and develop a QB.

I'd say that's fair. We'll see what the future holds.
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Fleck gave us Corey Davis and Jamauri Bogan.03-idea
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(01-30-2016 11:44 AM)ChuckNorris Wrote:  Fleck gave us Corey Davis and Jamauri Bogan.03-idea

Chuck, the topic is Ryan and Bill were worthless. Ryan was a QB coach. He was responsible for developing QBs. Clearly he did. Jury is still out on your hero.
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