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Right, wrong, doesn't matter. McCabe wrote the story and it's clear who the villain is. That's the way these things work. You have to fight the perception, and your competitors will try and work that perception to their advantage.

Same old song and dance. FBS football is a business. A cut-throat business. I don't know the timeline, but why did we offer this kid in the first place? Two season-ending injuries in high school is a huge risk. Kid seems nice and is obviously a playmaker when healthy, but still...what's the likelihood he wouldn't get injured several more times at FBS level of competition?

Unfortunate situation for all involved, but that's the way it goes.

(01-22-2016 12:12 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  Same old song and dance. FBS football is a business. A cut-throat business. I don't know the timeline, but why did we offer this kid in the first place? Two season-ending injuries in high school is a huge risk. Kid seems nice and is obviously a playmaker when healthy, but still...what's the likelihood he wouldn't get injured several more times at FBS level of competition?

Unfortunate situation for all involved, but that's the way it goes.

That may be true, but the perception is all people care about.

It reminds me of a guy who got an email asking him to help a friend who was being slandered in rumor, and when that guy tried to defend the guys friend by pointing out the holes in the rumor he himself ended up getting sued for slander. Eventually the error was pointed to the dumb*** lawyers and the matter resolved, but by then it was out there for everyone to see, and the perception of guilt was all that the average azz hole cared about.

Much the same here. Fleck may have done all the right things but the perception in the media is he's a guilty piece of $hit. Tough break for the Brocoach,

While we will never know the complete and accurate story, my sympathies are with the athlete. No doubt, many others feel this way and does not reflect well on Western or on Fleck.

(01-22-2016 08:49 AM)GullLake Wrote:  A LOT of "he said, she said."

Bottom-line is Fleck should have honored the scholarship. However, I understand the reasoning not too.

Welcome to the cut-throat world of Division I athletics. And it is not just football and basketball where kids get treated like this....

Academically, Robert Morris is an outstanding school, better than most MAC schools. Beautiful campus and Pittsburgh is a high growth area ideal for young people. In the long run, it probably works-out better for the young man, although it is unfortunate WMU treated him like it did.

I wish him well.

My understanding is PJ did honor the scholarship but a medical one where he would not see the field. The kid was adamant about playing so it obviously did not give him what he wanted. The crap his dad spoke of , why? PJ wanted to tie him up so another MAC school would not get him and we have to play against him is just too funny. Give me a break dad. Sounds like the kid has pure speed but a fragile body. Wish him the best of luck

Why not as a recruit, commit to multiple places if they get 50-60 commitments for 25 available slots?

Appears as though Fleck . . .

1. . . . was being truthful about the player's football future at WMU.

2. . . . would honored his scholarship whether he played or not.

3. . . . gave him the option to stay or transfer

“He told me that he didn’t trust my knee,” Madison said. “He said he didn’t think I would be able to play at that level because of my knee. He said with the ACL surgery, he thought it would be better if I didn’t try to play on it. They offered for me to take a medical redshirt. He said I wouldn’t play. He didn’t see me moving up the depth chart at all at Western Michigan.”

Sadly for Fleck one of the kids he pulled an offer from coach at the time, is now the Head Coach at IMG academy.....whoops. That door is closed now.

College sports is a business even at the MAC level.

How you comport yourself doing what needs to be done makes all the difference.

Comparing the level of responsibility here between adults and kids is ludicrous. The adults hold all the cards. They choose who, when and why. They stack them up like wood and at the end pretty much choose who they to burn or not. Exceptions? Sure, but they're kids who have limited experience and knowledge. If your livelihood depends on a couple kids you haven't been doing your job. EOD.

Harbaugh apparently at it again. Push another kid out the door. One he recruited this time. It's their prerogative, but at some point, it's going to bite him in the butt.

(01-25-2016 09:56 PM)Stampede your face!! Wrote:  Harbaugh apparently at it again. Push another kid out the door. One he recruited this time. It's their prerogative, but at some point, it's going to bite him in the butt.

Harbaugh has a laundry list of "charges" against him right now. Looks really bad on their program. I wonder what the UM faithful think about all this?

(01-25-2016 10:31 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 09:56 PM)Stampede your face!! Wrote:  Harbaugh apparently at it again. Push another kid out the door. One he recruited this time. It's their prerogative, but at some point, it's going to bite him in the butt.

Harbaugh has a laundry list of "charges" against him right now. Looks really bad on their program. I wonder what the UM faithful think about all this?

Are you kidding me? They think it's great. I live in Ann Arbor. I worked closely and had the "pleasure" of dealing with these Michigan Men on a nightly basis. I could tell you some stories. Five years ago the same guys that were talking about how Michigan would never do things like Urban Meyer because they were above that, are now puffing their chest out about how great Jimmy is and Michigan can do no wrong.

(01-25-2016 10:53 PM)Stampede your face!! Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 10:31 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 09:56 PM)Stampede your face!! Wrote:  Harbaugh apparently at it again. Push another kid out the door. One he recruited this time. It's their prerogative, but at some point, it's going to bite him in the butt.

Harbaugh has a laundry list of "charges" against him right now. Looks really bad on their program. I wonder what the UM faithful think about all this?

Are you kidding me? They think it's great. I live in Ann Arbor. I worked closely and had the "pleasure" of dealing with these Michigan Men on a nightly basis. I could tell you some stories. Five years ago the same guys that were talking about how Michigan would never do things like Urban Meyer because they were above that, are now puffing their chest out about how great Jimmy is and Michigan can do no wrong.

Pretty much what I expected...

"Michigan Men" = 90% Walmart Wolverines = 100% White Trash.

It always amazes me how a highly regarded university can have such a pathetic fan base. I blame years and years of bad Lions teams.

(01-26-2016 08:25 AM)wmutkelaw Wrote:  "Michigan Men" = 90% Walmart Wolverines = 100% White Trash.

It always amazes me how a highly regarded university can have such a pathetic fan base. I blame years and years of bad Lions teams.

I'm agree. The factory rat Lions fan base needed a winner to identify with, and the Lions weren't getting it, so they latched on to the college team down the street.

I've never grasped their fascination with scUM. It's been a perpetual 2nd or 3rd place Big Ten team for nearly 20 years, but they act as if Meeechigan is always in the national conversation. Some of the players on the 97 team that tied for the national title are grandparents.

Quote:"Michigan Men" = 90% Walmart Wolverines = 100% White Trash.

Ehhh, I'd say out of the Walmart Wolverines, 90% White Trash. 10% otherwise model citizens, brainwashed by UM fanboyism (see our former basketball star).