(01-19-2016 02:38 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 02:20 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 01:15 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 12:12 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 11:47 AM)VA49er Wrote:   Still should't have downplayed something he obviously knew nothing about. He can blame his advisers for that I guess.

You also have to remember that there are two sides to this. One for the public and one for the intelligence and defense apparatus. I don't think we really need or want to know about the later.

I think Obama found out about that second part AFTER he became POTUS. Probably why Gitmo is still open for business.

They always do. While Obama deserves much of the blame for an open GITMO, the R's have done nothing but obstruct everything he's tried to do to close it.

Probably because there are some people that shouldn't be turned loose.

Right. But for those folks Obama, wanted to move them to the US into supermax prisons. Republicans even objected to that.

(01-18-2016 08:11 AM)VA49er Wrote:  They get their spies back AND a sh!t ton of money. Great deal for Iran.

Ummm....yeah...about that...

Quote:It turns out that so-called “prisoner swap” with Iran didn’t involve much of a swap. When given the chance, none of the Iranians freed from U.S. custody chose to return to Iran, according to U.S. officials familiar with the negotiations.

Freed Iranians Never Boarded Flight Out of US

(01-19-2016 02:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 02:38 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 02:20 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 01:15 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 12:12 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You also have to remember that there are two sides to this. One for the public and one for the intelligence and defense apparatus. I don't think we really need or want to know about the later.

I think Obama found out about that second part AFTER he became POTUS. Probably why Gitmo is still open for business.

They always do. While Obama deserves much of the blame for an open GITMO, the R's have done nothing but obstruct everything he's tried to do to close it.

Probably because there are some people that shouldn't be turned loose.

Right. But for those folks Obama, wanted to move them to the US into supermax prisons. Republicans even objected to that.

So what is the point in moving them to the US if they will be kept here just as they are at Gitmo?

(01-19-2016 04:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 08:11 AM)VA49er Wrote:  They get their spies back AND a sh!t ton of money. Great deal for Iran.

Ummm....yeah...about that...

Quote:It turns out that so-called “prisoner swap” with Iran didn’t involve much of a swap. When given the chance, none of the Iranians freed from U.S. custody chose to return to Iran, according to U.S. officials familiar with the negotiations.

Freed Iranians Never Boarded Flight Out of US

You somehow think that it good news? They've been granted clemency and will remain on American soil. What make you think they won't continue doing what got them in trouble in the first place?

(01-19-2016 04:28 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 04:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 08:11 AM)VA49er Wrote:  They get their spies back AND a sh!t ton of money. Great deal for Iran.

Ummm....yeah...about that...

Quote:It turns out that so-called “prisoner swap” with Iran didn’t involve much of a swap. When given the chance, none of the Iranians freed from U.S. custody chose to return to Iran, according to U.S. officials familiar with the negotiations.

Freed Iranians Never Boarded Flight Out of US

You somehow think that it good news? They've been granted clemency and will remain on American soil. What make you think they won't continue doing what got them in trouble in the first place?

1. Never said it was anything other than news.
2. Most of them hold dual citizenship between Iran and USA.
3. Several of them are like 55 to 70 years old.
4. Most of them have jobs and families here.
5. With the Iran sanctions now lifted, their past actions are mostly all legal now.

Since the money was going to be paid regardless, and we got our hostages out of Iran, it sounds like we got a pretty damn good deal out of it didn't we?

(01-19-2016 04:25 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 02:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 02:38 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 02:20 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 01:15 PM)VA49er Wrote:  I think Obama found out about that second part AFTER he became POTUS. Probably why Gitmo is still open for business.

They always do. While Obama deserves much of the blame for an open GITMO, the R's have done nothing but obstruct everything he's tried to do to close it.

Probably because there are some people that shouldn't be turned loose.

Right. But for those folks Obama, wanted to move them to the US into supermax prisons. Republicans even objected to that.

So what is the point in moving them to the US if they will be kept here just as they are at Gitmo?

Isn't Gitmo basically seen as a torture center by the ME? It's mostly symbolism over substance.

(01-19-2016 04:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 04:28 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 04:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 08:11 AM)VA49er Wrote:  They get their spies back AND a sh!t ton of money. Great deal for Iran.

Ummm....yeah...about that...

Quote:It turns out that so-called “prisoner swap” with Iran didn’t involve much of a swap. When given the chance, none of the Iranians freed from U.S. custody chose to return to Iran, according to U.S. officials familiar with the negotiations.

Freed Iranians Never Boarded Flight Out of US

You somehow think that it good news? They've been granted clemency and will remain on American soil. What make you think they won't continue doing what got them in trouble in the first place?

1. Never said it was anything other than news.
2. Most of them hold dual citizenship between Iran and USA.
3. Several of them are like 55 to 70 years old.
4. Most of them have jobs and families here.
5. With the Iran sanctions now lifted, their past actions are mostly all legal now.

Since the money was going to be paid regardless, and we got our hostages out of Iran, it sounds like we got a pretty damn good deal out of it didn't we?

1. What did you mean by

(01-19-2016 04:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Ummm....yeah...about that...

? Judging by your bolding of "they get their spies back" you seem to think that these people weren't up to no good. Iran did indeed get them back, with their past crimes basically forgiven and a decent likelihood they can continue if they want to.
2. Their American citizenship should have been revoked and they should have been forced to board the plane to Switzerland.
3. So what does their age have to do with anything?
4. What does that have to do with anything?
5. So what? They committed crimes and should continue to be punished.

The US received a few prisoners that were (to my knowledge) wrongfully detained. Iran had sympathizers and those seeking to aide an enemy of the US released and allowed to stay here. Sounds like a pretty ****** deal to me as long as the Iranians get to stay in the US.

(01-19-2016 04:47 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 04:25 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 02:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 02:38 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 02:20 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  They always do. While Obama deserves much of the blame for an open GITMO, the R's have done nothing but obstruct everything he's tried to do to close it.

Probably because there are some people that shouldn't be turned loose.

Right. But for those folks Obama, wanted to move them to the US into supermax prisons. Republicans even objected to that.

So what is the point in moving them to the US if they will be kept here just as they are at Gitmo?

Isn't Gitmo basically seen as a torture center by the ME? It's mostly symbolism over substance.

So moving them to US Supermax prisons where they will never face a trial and continue to be detained indefinitely will remove the symbolism? I'm sure the Gitmo detainees won't be in favor of it either once the see what a US Supermax prison is like. Bye bye soccer field and basketball goals. Bye bye mosque. Bye bye call to worship.

(01-19-2016 05:10 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 04:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 04:28 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 04:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 08:11 AM)VA49er Wrote:  They get their spies back AND a sh!t ton of money. Great deal for Iran.

Ummm....yeah...about that...

Quote:It turns out that so-called “prisoner swap” with Iran didn’t involve much of a swap. When given the chance, none of the Iranians freed from U.S. custody chose to return to Iran, according to U.S. officials familiar with the negotiations.

Freed Iranians Never Boarded Flight Out of US

You somehow think that it good news? They've been granted clemency and will remain on American soil. What make you think they won't continue doing what got them in trouble in the first place?

1. Never said it was anything other than news.
2. Most of them hold dual citizenship between Iran and USA.
3. Several of them are like 55 to 70 years old.
4. Most of them have jobs and families here.
5. With the Iran sanctions now lifted, their past actions are mostly all legal now.

Since the money was going to be paid regardless, and we got our hostages out of Iran, it sounds like we got a pretty damn good deal out of it didn't we?

1. What did you mean by

(01-19-2016 04:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Ummm....yeah...about that...

? Judging by your bolding of "they get their spies back" you seem to think that these people weren't up to no good. Iran did indeed get them back, with their past crimes basically forgiven and a decent likelihood they can continue if they want to.
2. Their American citizenship should have been revoked and they should have been forced to board the plane to Switzerland.
3. So what does their age have to do with anything?
4. What does that have to do with anything?
5. So what? They committed crimes and should continue to be punished.

The US received a few prisoners that were (to my knowledge) wrongfully detained. Iran had sympathizers and those seeking to aide an enemy of the US released and allowed to stay here. Sounds like a pretty ****** deal to me as long as the Iranians get to stay in the US.

Again, they're Americans too.

And I meant that they aren't getting anything back because they all stayed here.

(01-18-2016 02:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 01:27 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 01:05 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 11:52 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 10:06 AM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  And we get...wait, what did we get again?

A future war with a better financed and more equipped Iran

We really are THAT dumb. They are playing us like a fiddle.

It's not that WE as a country are that dumb. Obama is getting exactly what he wants. This was a deal that the American people had absolutely no say in.

Except for the majority of America the past two elections that voted for Obama with the express idea that he was about capitulation and surrender instead of war.

FIFY

(01-19-2016 01:20 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 01:18 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 01:15 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm glad we are writing checks like this while he technically have no money.

Well, not like it was our money to start with, right? Weren't we just holding it for safekeeping?

The "interest" is our money.

yepper.....some call it the "national debt"

(01-19-2016 04:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 08:11 AM)VA49er Wrote:  They get their spies back AND a sh!t ton of money. Great deal for Iran.

Ummm....yeah...about that...

Quote:It turns out that so-called “prisoner swap” with Iran didn’t involve much of a swap. When given the chance, none of the Iranians freed from U.S. custody chose to return to Iran, according to U.S. officials familiar with the negotiations.

Freed Iranians Never Boarded Flight Out of US

Point is they were freed, not where they chose to go. Six of the seven have dual citizenship so if they are freed, no way to make them leave anyway. Not sure why they'd want to leave anyway.

(01-20-2016 10:38 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 04:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 08:11 AM)VA49er Wrote:  They get their spies back AND a sh!t ton of money. Great deal for Iran.

Ummm....yeah...about that...

Quote:It turns out that so-called “prisoner swap” with Iran didn’t involve much of a swap. When given the chance, none of the Iranians freed from U.S. custody chose to return to Iran, according to U.S. officials familiar with the negotiations.

Freed Iranians Never Boarded Flight Out of US

Point is they were freed, not where they chose to go. Six of the seven have dual citizenship so if they are freed, no way to make them leave anyway. Not sure why they'd want to leave anyway.

Right...and what in the hell did Iran win then? Remember, the money was part of the nuclear deal that was agreed to and signed off for payment by the UN and the IAEA.

(01-20-2016 10:47 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 10:38 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 04:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 08:11 AM)VA49er Wrote:  They get their spies back AND a sh!t ton of money. Great deal for Iran.

Ummm....yeah...about that...

Quote:It turns out that so-called “prisoner swap” with Iran didn’t involve much of a swap. When given the chance, none of the Iranians freed from U.S. custody chose to return to Iran, according to U.S. officials familiar with the negotiations.

Freed Iranians Never Boarded Flight Out of US

Point is they were freed, not where they chose to go. Six of the seven have dual citizenship so if they are freed, no way to make them leave anyway. Not sure why they'd want to leave anyway.

Right...and what in the hell did Iran win then? Remember, the money was part of the nuclear deal that was agreed to and signed off for payment by the UN and the IAEA.

Iran received the intelligence years ago and evidently didn't need the people back. Now that you mention it, it looks like Iran used a pawn it didn't even need to get what it wanted. Again, playing us like fiddle.

(01-20-2016 10:58 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 10:47 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 10:38 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 04:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 08:11 AM)VA49er Wrote:  They get their spies back AND a sh!t ton of money. Great deal for Iran.

Ummm....yeah...about that...

Quote:It turns out that so-called “prisoner swap” with Iran didn’t involve much of a swap. When given the chance, none of the Iranians freed from U.S. custody chose to return to Iran, according to U.S. officials familiar with the negotiations.

Freed Iranians Never Boarded Flight Out of US

Point is they were freed, not where they chose to go. Six of the seven have dual citizenship so if they are freed, no way to make them leave anyway. Not sure why they'd want to leave anyway.

Right...and what in the hell did Iran win then? Remember, the money was part of the nuclear deal that was agreed to and signed off for payment by the UN and the IAEA.

Iran received the intelligence years ago and evidently didn't need the people back. Now that you mention it, it looks like Iran used a pawn it didn't even need to get what it wanted. Again, playing us like fiddle.

This is what he fails to understand. At a minimum Iran doesn't need or care about them, at worst they will go back to finding ways to aid Iran while they are free on American soil.

(01-20-2016 11:09 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 10:58 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 10:47 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 10:38 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 04:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Ummm....yeah...about that...

Freed Iranians Never Boarded Flight Out of US

Point is they were freed, not where they chose to go. Six of the seven have dual citizenship so if they are freed, no way to make them leave anyway. Not sure why they'd want to leave anyway.

Right...and what in the hell did Iran win then? Remember, the money was part of the nuclear deal that was agreed to and signed off for payment by the UN and the IAEA.

Iran received the intelligence years ago and evidently didn't need the people back. Now that you mention it, it looks like Iran used a pawn it didn't even need to get what it wanted. Again, playing us like fiddle.

This is what he fails to understand. At a minimum Iran doesn't need or care about them, at worst they will go back to finding ways to aid Iran while they are free on American soil.

I mean, hypothetically, the freed prisoners can have their cake and eat it also. Live in the US and get paid by Iran. Not saying they are still spies. But they once were and therefore should not be free in the first place.

(01-19-2016 12:56 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 02:45 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I'm telling you. President Bush's foreign diplomacy was head and shoulders above Obummers. I mean who didn't love the wars! Those were great times. Those were the days.

They both suck.

Never fight a war that you don't intend to win. Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iraq again, and still Afghanistan.

Treat your friends better than you treat your enemies. Obama treats our enemies better than Bush treated our friends.

Avoiding war is easy. You just surrender first.

bump

(06-07-2018 05:21 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 12:56 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 02:45 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I'm telling you. President Bush's foreign diplomacy was head and shoulders above Obummers. I mean who didn't love the wars! Those were great times. Those were the days.

They both suck.

Never fight a war that you don't intend to win. Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iraq again, and still Afghanistan.

Treat your friends better than you treat your enemies. Obama treats our enemies better than Bush treated our friends.

Avoiding war is easy. You just surrender first.

bump

How about get around to your point rather than necroposting.

That is is if you actually have a point.

(06-07-2018 05:21 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 12:56 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 02:45 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I'm telling you. President Bush's foreign diplomacy was head and shoulders above Obummers. I mean who didn't love the wars! Those were great times. Those were the days.

They both suck.

Never fight a war that you don't intend to win. Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iraq again, and still Afghanistan.

Treat your friends better than you treat your enemies. Obama treats our enemies better than Bush treated our friends.

Avoiding war is easy. You just surrender first.

bump

Yeah, lifting sanctions, giving Iran access to seized funds and paying interest seems to have been a fantastic idea. Obama was certainly treating his 'friends' in Iran better than the Americans killed in a terrorist attack they helped facilitate.

Quote:Mohammad-Javad Larijani, an international affairs assistant in the Iran’s judiciary, admitted in an interview broadcasted on Iranian state TV on May 30 that Iranian intelligence officials facilitated the terrorists’ travel to the U.S.

“Our government agreed not to stamp the passports of some of them because they were on transit flights for two hours, and they were resuming their flights without having their passports stamped. However their movements were under the complete supervision of the Iranian intelligence,” Larijani said, according to Al Arabiya.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/06/09...-heres-how

It sure would have been a shame if the billions that went to Iran had instead gone to the victims of 9/11 https://nypost.com/2018/05/01/9-11-victi...inst-iran/ .

Quote:The judgment is widely considered a hollow victory, since Iran will unlikely ever pay out.

If Obama hadn't given away the frozen assets and interest, it could have gone to some of those families.