(01-17-2016 12:43 PM)2Buck Wrote:  

(01-17-2016 12:08 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(01-17-2016 12:04 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  

(01-17-2016 02:47 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Did minon write that too? It was more along the lines that they werent invited.

C-USA wanted Delaware. The Hens decided they have no desire to move up.

The post was referring to JMU but the first I had heard about Delaware also.

Both Delaware and JMU could have joined C-USA at the time but both screwed the pooch. I love hearing former FCS move-ups looking down on FCS move-ups. I'm sure Marshall's fear is having JMU on a level playing field.

Those are all just internet rumors and CUSA officials shot that down when asked. So no JMU was never invited. The Sunbelt and MAC maybe but no CUSA never had any interest in JMU. BTW know your history, Tech join Division I-A 26 years ago.

http://pilotonline.com/sports/college/ol...83b85.html

(01-17-2016 01:29 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(01-17-2016 12:43 PM)2Buck Wrote:  

(01-17-2016 12:08 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(01-17-2016 12:04 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  

(01-17-2016 02:47 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Did minon write that too? It was more along the lines that they werent invited.

C-USA wanted Delaware. The Hens decided they have no desire to move up.

The post was referring to JMU but the first I had heard about Delaware also.

Both Delaware and JMU could have joined C-USA at the time but both screwed the pooch. I love hearing former FCS move-ups looking down on FCS move-ups. I'm sure Marshall's fear is having JMU on a level playing field.

Those are all just internet rumors and CUSA officials shot that down when asked. So no JMU was never invited. The Sunbelt and MAC maybe but no CUSA never had any interest in JMU. BTW know your history, Tech join Division I-A 26 years ago.

http://pilotonline.com/sports/college/ol...83b85.html

Conversations with JMU and Delaware happened prior to 2013, an invite was never extended because JMU and Delaware pussed out. I wasn't referring to Tech, I was referring to Marshall. Not just them though, there are a number of fans at other schools we used to play against that have since moved up and look down their noses now.

And yes, I'm bitter...

One thing is clear from the article---losing $500K in media revenue is fairly easy to make up by adjusting schedules to reduce travel costs. For instance, there is no need to rearrange or expand the conference. Just use divisions for non-revenue sports and reduce cross-divisional play in revenue sports. For instance, if CUSA used divisional play in mens basketball (a round robin in the division and you play just 4 cross divisional games, you've saved a significant amount on travel and eliminated several of the highest cost travel games in the sport. Do the same for volleyball, softball, baseball, and womens basketball. What happens if you go to a 7 game conference football schedule by eliminating one cross divisional game. That saves about $350K right there (according to the article) and opens an additional slot for a pay game or a regional home-n-home that might be more profitable and draw better locally. You might have to add a few associate members to make it work for all the smaller non-revenue sports like soccer, but there is plenty of savings to be garnered through the strategic use of scheduling.

(01-17-2016 01:44 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  One thing is clear from the article---losing $500K in media revenue is fairly easy to make up by adjusting schedules to reduce travel costs. For instance, there is no need to rearrange or expand the conference. Just use divisions for non-revenue sports and reduce cross-divisional play in revenue sports. For instance, if CUSA used divisional play in mens basketball (a round robin in the division and you play just 4 cross divisional games, you've saved a significant amount on travel and eliminated several of the highest cost travel games in the sport. Do the same for volleyball, softball, baseball, and womens basketball. What happens if you go to a 7 game conference schedule by eliminating one cross divisional game. That saves about $350K right there (according to the article) and opens an additional slot for a pay game or a regional home-n-home that might be more profitable and draw better locally. You might have to add a few associate members to make it work for all the smaller non-revenue sports, but there is plenty of savings to be garnered through the strategic use of scheduling.

I think that you have hit on the gist of the article that several on here have not. This article isn't an ODU thing, it is an economics thing. Harry was just giving his thoughts on how to make lemonade (as a conference, not just as ODU) out of the fact that the revenue is likely to be substantially less from the next TV contract(s).

As you have presented other ideas about how to address the financial issues, there may be others that would work too. Harry was just giving his own in the article.

James Madison and Delaware??? Be still, my beating heart.

(01-17-2016 02:12 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  James Madison and Delaware??? Be still, my beating heart.

Guess I forgot to mention traditional FBS schools like Southern Miss that fear getting eclipsed by new blood. And with good reason since it's already happening.

This is where the far flung geography comes into play again. JMU actually has a pretty loyal base in the mid atlantic, but if you live in TX, MS or Fla you'd never know that. If you think App St and Ga So would have been better adds than FIU, FAU or NoTx then JMU is a good add. They're basically Virginia's version of App St. Yes, they have a small market, but their fans travel. If we admit that the media dollars aren't coming,(and they aren't) then we need teams that will fill seats and save travel costs. JMU, App St and GSU (either one) do just that. The Sun Belts move ups all went bowling this season, proving move-ups don't always hurt. JMU would hurt ODU some in recruiting, but would be a good add for CUSA in every way. The Sun Belt has already extended them an offer, and they turned it down waiting for the MAC or CUSA. Id hate for CUSA to miss out and lose them to the MAC or Sunbelt. In fact, if the Sunbelt grabs JMU, then I would think the SB starts to look a little more attractive to ODU and Charlotte than CUSA. That could be the domino that starts reshuffling amongst the G5.

(01-17-2016 02:24 PM)2Buck Wrote:  

(01-17-2016 02:12 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  James Madison and Delaware??? Be still, my beating heart.

Guess I forgot to mention traditional FBS schools like Southern Miss that fear getting eclipsed by new blood. And with good reason since it's already happening.

Yep, those losses to Richmond, William and Mary, and Colgate really have CUSA paralyzed with fear.

(01-17-2016 02:12 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  James Madison and Delaware??? Be still, my beating heart.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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(01-17-2016 02:31 PM)monarx Wrote:  This is where the far flung geography comes into play again. JMU actually has a pretty loyal base in the mid atlantic, but if you live in TX, MS or Fla you'd never know that. If you think App St and Ga So would have been better adds than FIU, FAU or NoTx then JMU is a good add. They're basically Virginia's version of App St. Yes, they have a small market, but their fans travel. If we admit that the media dollars aren't coming,(and they aren't) then we need teams that will fill seats and save travel costs. JMU, App St and GSU (either one) do just that. The Sun Belts move ups all went bowling this season, proving move-ups don't always hurt. JMU would hurt ODU some in recruiting, but would be a good add for CUSA in every way. The Sun Belt has already extended them an offer, and they turned it down waiting for the MAC or CUSA. Id hate for CUSA to miss out and lose them to the MAC or Sunbelt. In fact, if the Sunbelt grabs JMU, then I would think the SB starts to look a little more attractive to ODU and Charlotte than CUSA. That could be the domino that starts reshuffling amongst the G5.

I'd like to refute the first sentence of your post with this: they fcs. No. More. FCS. Ever. Unless the Koch brothers drown Wichita in $$$

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(01-17-2016 02:31 PM)monarx Wrote:  This is where the far flung geography comes into play again. JMU actually has a pretty loyal base in the mid atlantic, but if you live in TX, MS or Fla you'd never know that. If you think App St and Ga So would have been better adds than FIU, FAU or NoTx then JMU is a good add. They're basically Virginia's version of App St. Yes, they have a small market, but their fans travel. If we admit that the media dollars aren't coming,(and they aren't) then we need teams that will fill seats and save travel costs. JMU, App St and GSU (either one) do just that. The Sun Belts move ups all went bowling this season, proving move-ups don't always hurt. JMU would hurt ODU some in recruiting, but would be a good add for CUSA in every way. The Sun Belt has already extended them an offer, and they turned it down waiting for the MAC or CUSA. Id hate for CUSA to miss out and lose them to the MAC or Sunbelt. In fact, if the Sunbelt grabs JMU, then I would think the SB starts to look a little more attractive to ODU and Charlotte than CUSA. That could be the domino that starts reshuffling amongst the G5.

Very well said.

I will very pleased to get rid of those who don't want to be in CUSA... Old Dominion is very welcome to hit the road. We need schools that want to build this conference up, not tear it down.

(01-17-2016 04:06 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  I will very pleased to get rid of those who don't want to be in CUSA... Old Dominion is very welcome to hit the road. We need schools that want to build this conference up, not tear it down.

Not all of us feel this way.

(01-17-2016 04:06 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  I will very pleased to get rid of those who don't want to be in CUSA... Old Dominion is very welcome to hit the road. We need schools that want to build this conference up, not tear it down.

agreed. we helped build that last one into a nationally respected football conference. we can build this one, too.

having said that, one columnist with a hard on for the conference and a crush on jmu probably doesn't disqualify all of odu.

I guess you haven't read this thread very thoroughly

(01-17-2016 04:18 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  I guess you haven't read this thread very thoroughly

honestly, no. I tend to read posts by the people that I have learned to follow over the years. I don't have any real bearings for the odu guys yet.

but surely all of the odu guys don't live in this thread.

Fair enough...

Mr. Harry is often right.NOT THIS TIME.(refer to any Southern Miss post for reasons).

(01-17-2016 01:47 AM)banker Wrote:  Here's what some ODU fans are missing, we've watered down the conference already and don't need two more fcs teams regardless of any history you have with them. You should just be extremely thankful you made it in. You guys were a good add and, once you expand your stadium and add depth, will be a great add. We don't need two more teams that can't fill 80% of their small stadiums.

This ^^^

Ahem, I think you've missed something. Don't you know that Odu is cusa's life saver and the best add to this lowly conference. Sheesh.

Odu is the new Ecu. Same fans, low attendance. Yes, low attendance. 20k don't mean squat. Annnndddd until you expand your stadium that's all people will see. So don't come back bragging about 20k, because even at UTEP with our bad football we look down on those numbers.

(01-17-2016 06:23 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(01-17-2016 01:47 AM)banker Wrote:  Here's what some ODU fans are missing, we've watered down the conference already and don't need two more fcs teams regardless of any history you have with them. You should just be extremely thankful you made it in. You guys were a good add and, once you expand your stadium and add depth, will be a great add. We don't need two more teams that can't fill 80% of their small stadiums.

2 teams that can't fill 80% of their small stadiums?



hey, how'd you guys do against us in basketball this year?

You are correct. It is laughable that JMU couldn't fill 80% of their stadium. That number is incorrect.

They only filled 78%. The stadium capacity is 24877. Average attendance for 2015 was 19498.... Delaware was worse at 72%

What he said was accurate. Sorry.