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(01-19-2016 05:26 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  
(01-19-2016 04:51 PM)TheMackAttack Wrote:  OU/OSU to the SEC? Not profitable enough for the SEC. That's the distinction that has to be made.

Not sure if it will ever be definitively decided (unless OU/OSU actually moves to the SEC), but I wholly disagree with that sentiment.

I think they are profitable enough to raise the payout to each SEC by a factor large enough to more than cover expenses involved in adding them.

I personally think if they expand it'll be Va tech and one of the North Carolina schools, either unc or NC state. I could see duke as well but I'm not sure duke would be thrilled with Kentucky and etc.
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(01-16-2016 09:48 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  This game s in Jonesboro right?

(01-19-2016 05:26 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  
(01-19-2016 04:51 PM)TheMackAttack Wrote:  OU/OSU to the SEC? Not profitable enough for the SEC. That's the distinction that has to be made.

Not sure if it will ever be definitively decided (unless OU/OSU actually moves to the SEC), but I wholly disagree with that sentiment.

I think they are profitable enough to raise the payout to each SEC by a factor large enough to more than cover expenses involved in adding them.

Well I like that we can respectfully disagree. I agree that OU and OSU are a net gain for the SEC, but why settle for expanded DFW coverage plus Oklahoma when you can instead take the entire state of Virginia and West Virginia and reach into DC and Pittsburgh instead. The SEC is in a position where they can be exceptionally picky. And I think the SECW isn't going to like adding two schools that also dip heavily into Louisiana and Texas for recruiting. Oklahoma is already a force, but Oklahoma State gets laughed off by most recruits when they have SEC offers.
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Re: RE: Realignment Isn't Done
(01-19-2016 04:52 PM)TheMackAttack Wrote:  
(01-19-2016 03:20 PM)panama Wrote:  
(01-19-2016 02:58 PM)TheMackAttack Wrote:  
(01-18-2016 11:32 AM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  
(01-18-2016 10:49 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  Betcha a shinny nickle that the SEC doesn't take two teams that far out of the footprint that represent so few people. Just doesn't make dollars for the SEC Network - so it doesn't make sense, to me.

The States of NC and Virginia are missing from the SEC footprint if they expand.

The okie's one real draw would be the number of viewers in big, highly populated Texas markets. But the SEC Network already has Texas anyway.
And unless there carriage is improved in that state by that the addition of those two, I'd count them out.

I think you VASTLY underestimate the draw of OU in the Dallas area, and north Texas in general, as well as their home state and surrounding areas.

Plus, their history as one of the best teams in the nation has given them "t-shirt fans" across the nation.

OU brings PLENTY of people to the table to make it worthwhile for the SEC to grab them.

Now, will they? Hell, I gave up on trying to predict realignment long ago... But it won't be for lack of value, if they don't.


I think OU brings plenty (but not enough to bring OK State with them) and eventually ends up in the B1G with Kansas. The SEC's next move is likely two teams in the east with Missouri moving west. My guess is Virginia Tech and West Virginia.
You do realize that OU and OSU are joined at the hip right? They will not be separated ever.


That's what everybody said about Texas and Texas A&M. It's true until it isn't.

Nobody thought that about Texas and Texas A&M. Those schools hate each other. OU and OSU do not. It would go to the legislature and the Governor to separate those two.
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(01-19-2016 07:34 PM)RoyK Wrote:  I personally think if they expand it'll be Va tech and one of the North Carolina schools, either unc or NC state. I could see duke as well but I'm not sure duke would be thrilled with Kentucky and etc.

If there is realignment involving UNC or VT, they will come with "baggage." UNC, UVA, Duke, VT, NCSU, and ECU are a package deal. None of those schools are leaving their current situations due to being tied to each other either because they want to be associated or because their legislatures will force them to be associated.
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(01-20-2016 12:16 AM)wb247 Wrote:  
(01-19-2016 07:34 PM)RoyK Wrote:  I personally think if they expand it'll be Va tech and one of the North Carolina schools, either unc or NC state. I could see duke as well but I'm not sure duke would be thrilled with Kentucky and etc.

If there is realignment involving UNC or VT, they will come with "baggage." UNC, UVA, Duke, VT, NCSU, and ECU are a package deal. None of those schools are leaving their current situations due to being tied to each other either because they want to be associated or because their legislatures will force them to be associated.

plus none of those schools look very interesting to the sec. unc maybe tied in with wva would not be too bad an add for the sec..makes more sense for wva to be an sec team than b12
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Duke in the SEC? LOL. If you look at the last 4 additions to the SEC the commonality is schools and fan bases that fit the SEC profile. If the SEC took any schools from the ACC it would be Florida State, VT, UNC or Clemson. ECU has a long way to go but is another that fits the profile. Looking across the country, other than OU and OSU there isn't anyone else they would go after.
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Neither Duke or UNC are going anywhere...ACC makes a ton in basketball money...
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(01-20-2016 08:02 AM)kb325 Wrote:  Neither Duke or UNC are going anywhere...ACC makes a ton in basketball money...

And then there is that. Plus the NC schools like being together, Nobody is unhappy.
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We know where WV stands on expansion. The article makes it sound like it's not over for sure. I would imagine Cincinnati will be one of the choices, due to WV needing a travel partner and to create a rival.
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Who knows? It's pretty clear.
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Even if the Big12 actually gets back to 12 it may have zero implications for the Sun Belt. CUSA is at 14 if they lose two it would be dumb financially to add two more especially with the TV deal being hacked to death.
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(01-20-2016 04:45 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  Even if the Big12 actually gets back to 12 it may have zero implications for the Sun Belt. CUSA is at 14 if they lose two it would be dumb financially to add two more especially with the TV deal being hacked to death.

Think about the impact on the AAC and MWC with any B12 realignment. At best those conferences get a whole lot weaker.

That will cause a fire sale of CUSA to the AAC/MWC as they try to recoup their positions. CUSA will be weakened to the point no SBC school would agree to join it sans NMSU and Idaho who aren't full SBC members.

SBC members can sit tight as they develop into the more dominant football conference. Moving forward football strength will be a prime determinant of revenue with basketball increasingly secondary in value. The CUSA strategy of collecting great basketball names of the past like WKU, Charlotte and ODU is at the expense of a heavier FB presence.
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(01-21-2016 02:12 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(01-20-2016 04:45 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  Even if the Big12 actually gets back to 12 it may have zero implications for the Sun Belt. CUSA is at 14 if they lose two it would be dumb financially to add two more especially with the TV deal being hacked to death.

Think about the impact on the AAC and MWC with any B12 realignment. At best those conferences get a whole lot weaker.

That will cause a fire sale of CUSA to the AAC/MWC as they try to recoup their positions. CUSA will be weakened to the point no SBC school would agree to join it sans NMSU and Idaho who aren't full SBC members.

SBC members can sit tight as they develop into the more dominant football conference. Moving forward football strength will be a prime determinant of revenue with basketball increasingly secondary in value. The CUSA strategy of collecting great basketball names of the past like WKU, Charlotte and ODU is at the expense of a heavier FB presence.

lol, no...
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(01-21-2016 02:12 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(01-20-2016 04:45 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  Even if the Big12 actually gets back to 12 it may have zero implications for the Sun Belt. CUSA is at 14 if they lose two it would be dumb financially to add two more especially with the TV deal being hacked to death.

Think about the impact on the AAC and MWC with any B12 realignment. At best those conferences get a whole lot weaker.

That will cause a fire sale of CUSA to the AAC/MWC as they try to recoup their positions. CUSA will be weakened to the point no SBC school would agree to join it sans NMSU and Idaho who aren't full SBC members.

SBC members can sit tight as they develop into the more dominant football conference. Moving forward football strength will be a prime determinant of revenue with basketball increasingly secondary in value. The CUSA strategy of collecting great basketball names of the past like WKU, Charlotte and ODU is at the expense of a heavier FB presence.

If the Big 12 expands (which I think is highly doubtful), CUSA would lose two members at the very most. I would hardly call that a fire sale. Plus, don't forget why CUSA went to a membership of 14 to begin with. That was a defensive move made in case of further raids by the AAC. If we are indeed raided of two members, I think CUSA would again make the same play and immediately move to backfill those two new vacancies.

That would be a moment of truth for us all. If everybody in the SBC stuck together and declined a CUSA invitation, it could be the beginning of radical change in both CUSA and the SBC. Perhaps an east/west geographical merger of sorts would take place, who knows? I could live with the outcome, either way.

However, when it comes to realignment, everybody is pretty much out for themselves. Because of this, if CUSA began to recruit new members, I think what we're more likely to see in the SBC is a stampede for the door. Maybe I'm wrong. Perhaps a SBC member would turn down an offer from CUSA. If one did, it would be the first time it has ever happened. I guess we'll see.
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(01-21-2016 07:06 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  
(01-21-2016 02:12 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(01-20-2016 04:45 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  Even if the Big12 actually gets back to 12 it may have zero implications for the Sun Belt. CUSA is at 14 if they lose two it would be dumb financially to add two more especially with the TV deal being hacked to death.

Think about the impact on the AAC and MWC with any B12 realignment. At best those conferences get a whole lot weaker.

That will cause a fire sale of CUSA to the AAC/MWC as they try to recoup their positions. CUSA will be weakened to the point no SBC school would agree to join it sans NMSU and Idaho who aren't full SBC members.

SBC members can sit tight as they develop into the more dominant football conference. Moving forward football strength will be a prime determinant of revenue with basketball increasingly secondary in value. The CUSA strategy of collecting great basketball names of the past like WKU, Charlotte and ODU is at the expense of a heavier FB presence.

If the Big 12 expands (which I think is highly doubtful), CUSA would lose two members at the very most. I would hardly call that a fire sale. Plus, don't forget why CUSA went to a membership of 14 to begin with. That was a defensive move made in case of further raids by the AAC. If we are indeed raided of two members, I think CUSA would again make the same play and immediately move to backfill those two new vacancies.

That would be a moment of truth for us all. If everybody in the SBC stuck together and declined a CUSA invitation, it could be the beginning of radical change in both CUSA and the SBC. Perhaps an east/west geographical merger of sorts would take place, who knows? I could live with the outcome, either way.

However, when it comes to realignment, everybody is pretty much out for themselves. Because of this, if CUSA began to recruit new members, I think what we're more likely to see in the SBC is a stampede for the door. Maybe I'm wrong. Perhaps a SBC member would turn down an offer from CUSA. If one did, it would be the first time it has ever happened. I guess we'll see.

If your thinking is that the big12 would take someone from the mwc or cusa, the likelyhood of that would be zero. maybe there is the slightest chance that they would take someone from aac and then the aac would nab marshall or usm. I guess in that scenario, stAte and u-laf would be tempted to leave.
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I could see the AAC nabbing up UMass all-sports if UConn is still around...that said...Big12 will get it's championship game (along with the 20-25 million that comes with it) and stand pat until they renegotiate the TV deal in 2023 (deal runs through 2024)

I like the AAC the way it is...
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(01-21-2016 08:00 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I could see the AAC nabbing up UMass all-sports if UConn is still around...that said...Big12 will get it's championship game (along with the 20-25 million that comes with it) and stand pat until they renegotiate the TV deal in 2023 (deal runs through 2024)

I like the AAC the way it is...

We have now 2 of the 3 members of the B12 Expansion Committee coming out quite publicly in a week in favor of expansion. It will happen.
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(01-21-2016 08:16 AM)panama Wrote:  
(01-21-2016 08:00 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I could see the AAC nabbing up UMass all-sports if UConn is still around...that said...Big12 will get it's championship game (along with the 20-25 million that comes with it) and stand pat until they renegotiate the TV deal in 2023 (deal runs through 2024)

I like the AAC the way it is...

We have now 2 of the 3 members of the B12 Expansion Committee coming out quite publicly in a week in favor of expansion. It will happen.

yep...in 5-7 years.

Boren will get 1 of his 3 demands...and he'll be told he better like it, too.
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(01-21-2016 07:06 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  Perhaps a SBC member would turn down an offer from CUSA. If one did, it would be the first time it has ever happened. I guess we'll see.

Yeah, its also the first time entrance and exit fees have been so high. Its the first time CUSA's tv deal has been so ugly, its the first time we've had App and GaSo, its the first time we've had higher RPI in basketball, ors the first time that CUSA's lineup is this lineup.

Stuff changes.
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