Got "hammered' AT THE pALLADIUM MANY TIMES. i BELIEVE THEY HAD A 50 CENT CANNED BEER NIGHT SOMETIME AROUND 1976. oH THE 40 YEAR OLD MEMORIES

(01-08-2016 06:35 AM)indianasniff Wrote:  Puck would be great. Men's and women's teams. But that is a whole lot of scholarships


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I believe the number of scholarships is 20 each... However, hockey is a "revenue" sport which at least means some of the scholarship money could come from ticket sales.

On a side note, at over 90% of Division I colleges Women's Basketball in not a revenue sport. But at Toledo it is.

(01-08-2016 03:47 PM)Terry Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 06:35 AM)indianasniff Wrote:  Puck would be great. Men's and women's teams. But that is a whole lot of scholarships


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I believe the number of scholarships is 20 each... However, hockey is a "revenue" sport which at least means some of the scholarship money could come from ticket sales.

On a side note, at over 90% of Division I colleges Women's Basketball in not a revenue sport. But at Toledo it is.

The master plan presentation is set for Feb 3rd according to the website, one of them at 11:30 to 1:00 and the other at 5:30 to 7:00. I am hoping they find a way to webcast these for us alums that are out of town. I did share that idea on the website so hopefully they can do that.

(01-08-2016 02:58 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 02:25 PM)Terry Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 02:06 PM)Stpetebeachrocketfan Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 10:35 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 01:14 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Would have rather seen a nice new structure for the classrooms, offices, and auditorium. And certainly a ice facility is not a must.

Rocket Hall IS new, and award winning. I've not seen a built from scratch building that serves the function better and has anywhere near the architectural character. It's used every day by a significant part of the student and faculty body, not just a few on a few days. Choice between what they did and an Ice House? No brainer. They made the right one.

Now, where SHOULD the ice rink go? There's that big emptry field between Student Union and Biology but it makes more sense doesn't it to keep athletic training facilities as proximent as possible. Is that what the new study is about? Efficient use?

I thought Rocket Hall was the renovated shopping center? No? Anyone have a picture of it?

Yes. I think they used the part where the "State Liquor Store" was........

Diamonds Men's Warehouse was on one end, and Foodtown was on the end closest to Dorr Street.

The Paladium was on the demolished west wing. My wife was the hostess there.

Prior to that it was the Roman Gardens and Arlens with Joseph's, the Liquor Store, and KFC on the south end mid way between both Bennie's.

(01-24-2016 10:28 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 02:58 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 02:25 PM)Terry Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 02:06 PM)Stpetebeachrocketfan Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 10:35 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  Rocket Hall IS new, and award winning. I've not seen a built from scratch building that serves the function better and has anywhere near the architectural character. It's used every day by a significant part of the student and faculty body, not just a few on a few days. Choice between what they did and an Ice House? No brainer. They made the right one.

Now, where SHOULD the ice rink go? There's that big emptry field between Student Union and Biology but it makes more sense doesn't it to keep athletic training facilities as proximent as possible. Is that what the new study is about? Efficient use?

I thought Rocket Hall was the renovated shopping center? No? Anyone have a picture of it?

Yes. I think they used the part where the "State Liquor Store" was........

Diamonds Men's Warehouse was on one end, and Foodtown was on the end closest to Dorr Street.

The Paladium was on the demolished west wing. My wife was the hostess there.

Prior to that it was the Roman Gardens and Arlens with Joseph's, the Liquor Store, and KFC on the south end mid way between both Bennie's.

I've been known to have stumbled around a few of these establishments, back in the day.

Mostly the goal is to improve efficiency that at worst, maintains present function. There are a couple areas though I think are performing less because of location or space allocation.

U-Hall:
In short, I'd like the University to re-vision this space. Too expensive to keep "modernizing" to accommodate modern educational and environmental control needs. What has occurred has been a half-azzed waste of do-over and do-ovaer again money and needs to stop as a matter of policy. Class room’s (particularly upper floor) are crap (even NOW) and cannot be brought to modern needs. Professor's and Department offices are embarrassingly the size of postage stamps. Grad offices crowded into closet space (I saw a secretary LITTERALLY, sitting in a closet with no desk), little or inconsistent temp control, ventilation or windowing... Not exactly great recruiting tools in this day and age.

As much as the traditionalists would hate it, U-Hall should be first filled with Admin functions (yes you alumni group) and other functions that take little more than moving partitions to accommodate. Expand or move Student Union Clubs functions over there also. These should model University functions in order to develop leaders and keep a young influence on the building. As redevelopment monies become available, I would keep the areas and offices around the inside courtyards as Agora's, places that encourage Professors to congregate, return after they retire.... Those areas around should all be meeting space. There are areas on the upper floors with nice lookouts and with a little moving of wall would make great reception areas. If a donor comes along, I wish they could afford to remove those God - forsaken dropped ceilings to add back the inside character, try to put men's and women's restrooms in both wings, every floor and some of the steps have been killed by salt. They need a re-do.

Scott-Park:
As a city AND a university, we failed in the magnet school front. Penta County and School for the Arts should have been UT initiatives. The education dept is not competitive. The area wants Macomber back. There are only three possible locations I can think of and Scott Park is one of them. TPS could consolidate Early College, Tech Academy into the facility and it is the only of the three that would fulfill requirements for which they've recently been called out of placing fair facilities within mixed "race" and minority service areas. This would create a high school similar to Gatton Academy run by WKU, a university that for no reason at all should not be but is kicking our butts in Athletics and Academic facilities, reputation and associations. There will be political repercussions from the Devilbiss, Bowsher and private school crowds but ultimately, all will be made stronger by it. Well, except for Devilbiss who will see their building disappear or turned over to the private sector. I'm sure Promedica would love to have that facility or at least the land available for future expansion.


Our schools have suffered from the incestuous relationship between local districts and universities that I think all have become complacent. Dayton and Cinci are being fed by schools like Dayton, Xavier, Cinci and OSU and we're primarily UT, BG, and Findlay. I think Lourdes has stepped up the local game a bit but ultimately, we're not competitive. UT needs to step up and I think cooperatively running a teacher training school is one way to do that. Education will always be here, it's a reliable degree but training is stuck in the 50's. If no other occupation relies on looking for professionals in their field who want trainees so they can sit in a teacher lounge instead of work, then I think education should have long ago caught on this incestuous way they train and hire does not work. UT can take a lead in training teachers as they do in any other high expectation field. There is money in it and there are teacher education students looking for a different type of training, training that would permit them to compete for positions across the country instead of hoping for a local retirement or growing southern communities starving for teachers for their urban areas.

TPS does not have the political will to make that happen and UT is LONG overdue to operate a high school as part of their teacher education program. They need to be attracting strong PhD candidates and that's not going to happen just because they remodeled the education building into a dentist's office. UT should lead TPS this direction with the threat they will just do it on their own if they cannot get the cooperation.

My biggest concern of giving up too much of Scott Park is that Engineering footprint is landlocked on main campus, particularly if the desire is to expand main campus athletic and housing facilities. I think Nitscke probably should have been built at Scott Park in the first place. Michigan seems to do alright with their Engineering a hill and a river away so I suppose UT could have managed. If I could re-do everything from scratch, that's probably how I'd go. Engineering at Scott Park connected by commuter rail shuttle. University School in the Engineering location (great facilities and open garage space for a vo-tech school), a modern Student Union in the Rocket Hall location closest to the majority of the dorm space.

And to those (duh’blocks and their shanty opinion editor) that want to move law-school downtown. You’re morons.

Other than that, I don’t have any opinions, much.

(01-24-2016 12:01 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(01-24-2016 10:28 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 02:58 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 02:25 PM)Terry Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 02:06 PM)Stpetebeachrocketfan Wrote:  I thought Rocket Hall was the renovated shopping center? No? Anyone have a picture of it?

Yes. I think they used the part where the "State Liquor Store" was........

Diamonds Men's Warehouse was on one end, and Foodtown was on the end closest to Dorr Street.

The Paladium was on the demolished west wing. My wife was the hostess there.

Prior to that it was the Roman Gardens and Arlens with Joseph's, the Liquor Store, and KFC on the south end mid way between both Bennie's.

I've been known to have stumbled around a few of these establishments, back in the day.

With a stop at the Tabard to listen to Bobby Smith or Gypsy Blue.

(01-24-2016 12:36 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-24-2016 12:01 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(01-24-2016 10:28 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 02:58 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 02:25 PM)Terry Wrote:  Yes. I think they used the part where the "State Liquor Store" was........

Diamonds Men's Warehouse was on one end, and Foodtown was on the end closest to Dorr Street.

The Paladium was on the demolished west wing. My wife was the hostess there.

Prior to that it was the Roman Gardens and Arlens with Joseph's, the Liquor Store, and KFC on the south end mid way between both Bennie's.

I've been known to have stumbled around a few of these establishments, back in the day.

With a stop at the Tabard to listen to Bobby Smith or Gypsy Blue.

Well, of course !!

(01-24-2016 12:08 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  Mostly the goal is to improve efficiency that at worst, maintains present function. There are a couple areas though I think are performing less because of location or space allocation.

U-Hall:
In short, I'd like the University to re-vision this space. Too expensive to keep "modernizing" to accommodate modern educational and environmental control needs. What has occurred has been a half-azzed waste of do-over and do-ovaer again money and needs to stop as a matter of policy. Class room’s (particularly upper floor) are crap (even NOW) and cannot be brought to modern needs. Professor's and Department offices are embarrassingly the size of postage stamps. Grad offices crowded into closet space (I saw a secretary LITTERALLY, sitting in a closet with no desk), little or inconsistent temp control, ventilation or windowing... Not exactly great recruiting tools in this day and age.

As much as the traditionalists would hate it, U-Hall should be first filled with Admin functions (yes you alumni group) and other functions that take little more than moving partitions to accommodate. Expand or move Student Union Clubs functions over there also. These should model University functions in order to develop leaders and keep a young influence on the building. As redevelopment monies become available, I would keep the areas and offices around the inside courtyards as Agora's, places that encourage Professors to congregate, return after they retire.... Those areas around should all be meeting space. There are areas on the upper floors with nice lookouts and with a little moving of wall would make great reception areas. If a donor comes along, I wish they could afford to remove those God - forsaken dropped ceilings to add back the inside character, try to put men's and women's restrooms in both wings, every floor and some of the steps have been killed by salt. They need a re-do.

Scott-Park:
As a city AND a university, we failed in the magnet school front. Penta County and School for the Arts should have been UT initiatives. The education dept is not competitive. The area wants Macomber back. There are only three possible locations I can think of and Scott Park is one of them. TPS could consolidate Early College, Tech Academy into the facility and it is the only of the three that would fulfill requirements for which they've recently been called out of placing fair facilities within mixed "race" and minority service areas. This would create a high school similar to Gatton Academy run by WKU, a university that for no reason at all should not be but is kicking our butts in Athletics and Academic facilities, reputation and associations. There will be political repercussions from the Devilbiss, Bowsher and private school crowds but ultimately, all will be made stronger by it. Well, except for Devilbiss who will see their building disappear or turned over to the private sector. I'm sure Promedica would love to have that facility or at least the land available for future expansion.


Our schools have suffered from the incestuous relationship between local districts and universities that I think all have become complacent. Dayton and Cinci are being fed by schools like Dayton, Xavier, Cinci and OSU and we're primarily UT, BG, and Findlay. I think Lourdes has stepped up the local game a bit but ultimately, we're not competitive. UT needs to step up and I think cooperatively running a teacher training school is one way to do that. Education will always be here, it's a reliable degree but training is stuck in the 50's. If no other occupation relies on looking for professionals in their field who want trainees so they can sit in a teacher lounge instead of work, then I think education should have long ago caught on this incestuous way they train and hire does not work. UT can take a lead in training teachers as they do in any other high expectation field. There is money in it and there are teacher education students looking for a different type of training, training that would permit them to compete for positions across the country instead of hoping for a local retirement or growing southern communities starving for teachers for their urban areas.

TPS does not have the political will to make that happen and UT is LONG overdue to operate a high school as part of their teacher education program. They need to be attracting strong PhD candidates and that's not going to happen just because they remodeled the education building into a dentist's office. UT should lead TPS this direction with the threat they will just do it on their own if they cannot get the cooperation.

My biggest concern of giving up too much of Scott Park is that Engineering footprint is landlocked on main campus, particularly if the desire is to expand main campus athletic and housing facilities. I think Nitscke probably should have been built at Scott Park in the first place. Michigan seems to do alright with their Engineering a hill and a river away so I suppose UT could have managed. If I could re-do everything from scratch, that's probably how I'd go. Engineering at Scott Park connected by commuter rail shuttle. University School in the Engineering location (great facilities and open garage space for a vo-tech school), a modern Student Union in the Rocket Hall location closest to the majority of the dorm space.

And to those (duh’blocks and their shanty opinion editor) that want to move law-school downtown. You’re morons.

Other than that, I don’t have any opinions, much.

Hope you posted these comments on website. Consultant won't read this

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They won't read them if there's more than ten words, lol. Most of those ideas are infrastructure. I think the comments they are looking for would be more organizational: logistics, lining up departments, reducing redundancies... Turning around the University for the long haul means attracting new talent and capitalizing on present talent at the expense sometimes of old guard. Politics can outweigh economic and even student needs when it comes to reorganizing Depts. A lot of people have to really be willing to recognize their part in the current affairs at the university, take responsibility and make the sacrifices needed for correction. That's where we hope the new President can be very persuasive and had a few sticks and carrots at her disposal.

Found the presentation from February 3

http://utoledomasterplan.org/document/analysis-summary

Interesting bullets from presentation

Campus Recreation: Observations.

Student Recreation Center is slightly undersized at current enrollment
Outdoor space is deficient and lacking contemporary features
Additional revenue capacity available through both student and third party fees

SRC fees are lower than peers
Low third party annual rates
Support necessary capital investments in SRC

Classroom Educational Adequacy.

Typical of a public university
Nearly all UT classrooms rank low on Technology & Tools; standard is high
Lower average than HSC

Best Educational Adequacy (# of rooms)
Gillham Hall (7)
Memorial Field House (45)

Worst Educational Adequacy (# of rooms)
University Hall (12)
Stranahan Hall (8)

Teaching Lab Educational Adequacy.
Typical of public university
Higher average than Health Science Campus

Best Educational Adequacy (# of rooms)
Gillham Hall (7)
Health and Human Services (10)

Worst Educational Adequacy (# of rooms)
Health Education Center (4)
Nitschke Hall (4)
North Engineering (24)

Parking Supply.
~16,000 total parking spaces
63 parking areas on Main Campus, including two parking ramps

Parking fees below the median
Various permit types available for students, faculty, staff with no limit to number sold
UT exploring transition to variable priced demand based parking scheme

Parking Utilization.
High demand in Centennial Mall area
~$800,000 per year collected in enforcement fines; No enterprise fund for parking reinvestment, still paying off loans on parking ramps

Update

 

In early February, the master planning team was on campus and presented our analysis of UT’s existing facilities and lands.  That presentation is available here: http://www.utoledo.edu/facilities/master...eview.pdf.  In late March, the master planning team will present to the Board of Trustees Finance and Audit Committee a summary of our facility, utilization, quality, and trend analyses of both the Main Campus and Health Science Campus.  The master planning team continues to calculate future campus needs and we are preparing future scenarios.  In late April, the team will return to campus to discuss the possible future states for UT's campuses with the university and Toledo communities.  The day, time, and location of the late April presentation will be posted on:http://utoledomasterplan.org/.

 

We welcome your continued interest and input. 


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You know, Ann Arbor and UofM are not exactly the best laid out places I've ever been. It's a short plane ride between some classes and access to highway can be a long lunch. Maybe we should have gotten someone from Buffalo?


I think this will be money well invested if they follow through. Some are going to have to sacrifice. Concerns I see about the quotes above are the sources of increased revenue. Sometimes you want to go for bargain-quality, try to get those atmosphere improvements from donations instead of increased fees. Use those to attract better students instead of revenue and revenue will follow by increased donations from a better quality graduate. If the current admins get caught up on near term appearances of success, they can end up hurting the university in the longer run. Tough decisions ahead.

Ultimately, improvements and efficiencies IMO should concentrate on those things that will allow the university to provide a better education and opportunity to a more motivated and creative student base.

Latest update from http://utoledomasterplan.org/ Sounds like they are having some issues

Status Report: April 2016

The master planning team continues to calculate future campus needs and we are preparing future scenarios. We continue to coordinate with UT leadership to ensure the scenarios address current needs while positioning the university for long-term opportunities. The timing for when the scenarios are shared with the greater UT and Toledo community hasn't yet been determined.

Status Report: May 2016

The University of Toledo’s master planning team will continue to receive feedback during the summer months to be ready to share proposals when faculty and students return to campus in the fall. UT’s Facilities and Construction staff are working with consultants from SmithGroupJJR to study the facilities and use of space on the University’s campuses and to establish a long-term vision that will guide facilities decision-making for the University into the future.

“The input of the campus and the community is critical to a successful comprehensive plan that sets the course into the future for a strong University by addressing the academic, research, clinical, physical, functional and financial needs of the institution,” said Jason Toth, UT associate vice president for facilities and construction. “By taking the extra time this summer to continue to calculate campus needs and prepare future scenarios, we also will be able to coordinate the campus master plan with the ongoing strategic enrollment planning initiative and receive input from the University’s new Provost and other new senior leaders.”

http://utoledomasterplan.org/document/scenarios

Scenario presentations. Final Plan in December

There are a lot of things in this report that people on this board will want to chime in on.

Football practice field in primary tailgate lot

Relocation of Scott Park teams to main campus

Greek Housing relocation

and more

(09-14-2016 11:50 AM)indianasniff Wrote:  There are a lot of things in this report that people on this board will want to chime in on.

Football practice field in primary tailgate lot

Relocation of Scott Park teams to main campus

Greek Housing relocation

and more

Thanks for your work and regular updates.

Very interesting read through. I'm all for repurposing and making classrooms and offices more efficient, it's the right thing to do. After reading through, I'm still not sure about the plan for how we're utilizing the UTMC campus vs. Toledo hospital. Sounds like the plan talks about moving a lot of main campus stuff to the UTMC, so I guess we're keeping it? I was also surprised to see some negative things about Nitschke hall, that is one of our newer buildings. The transportation center also isn't that old and it got low marks. You didn't need the plan to see that our student union is outdated and needs to be modernized like they are doing incrementally with the library. This is a must.

I thought the on campus apartment housing recommendations were interesting. I know a bunch of near campus apartments have been built. Didn't know we needed that kind of inventory, unless they are looking at it as a revenue stream and keeping kids on campus. I thought it was interesting the recommendations to either fix the Greek village or push them off campus. Big decisions there. I like it where it's at, and I didn't see a recommendation for what would go there if it's removed. Can we get rid of the railroad tracks that split campus??

The plan was a little murky about how they are going to continue to redevelop the Door Street Corridor. Just saw the housing recommendations and repurposing the off line childcare center (apple tree).

The albatross is Scott Park and what to do with the classrooms and facilities. I would not invest any dollars to renovate those buildings. The cross roads are to invest and renovate or move to main campus, which affects a lot of things on Main campus. I think we all know that in a perfect world we'd just dump that campus all together. Best case scenario is that it becomes a small industrial/tech park with some sort of UT research ties.

I have no problem tearing down the ROTC health ed building and expanding recreation and adding fields. Did the plan say where ROTC would relocate? Actually I was sort of surprised that the soccer field didn't end up inside the track when they renovated a few years ago. Soccer would have access to the indoor field, weight training and athletic training needs, but they'd need to build new locker rooms The biggest question is what to do with Lot 10, the Rec grass fields and the hardball sports? There are high schools with better facilites than our DI hardball sprots. I would love to see those sports back on main campus, they are out of sight and mind at scott park. The easisest answer is that we have the square footage to build a new baseball and softball complex (rec fields), plus offices, indoor practice space, etc. Like the plan recommends, that would push a football grass practice facility most likely to lot 10. I don't see any other options? Tear down the law school and put the stick ball facilities over there and rebuild a new law school? Tailgaiters can find somewhere else to party 4-5 times per year.

Or another idea is that the practice field moves up behind the Glass Bowl in Lot 9 and some sort of 2nd deck expansion, dining hall, luxury boxe addition is incorporated into the practice facility and the Glass Bowl. If they tear down carter hall, you could easily reconfigure the road that services the Geek Village and Parks Tower. The practice facility would still be serviced by Larimer, lockerroms and training is close by, etc. Lot 10 would be saved for football, basketball, soccer, etc.

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On campus housing. I've had this vision (for when the lottery comes in) of lining that part from the Law Library up the hill to the rails to trails with colorful (reds, greens....) townhouses like in Scandinavian countries. In MY mind, it seems a natural fit and a way to get either grad students or young Professors with families onto campus. Just SOMETHING a little off-theme seems like it would fit there. It needs some color.

Student Union: BG did this right on their remodel. It's near impossible to get that old hidey hole ivy college type student union vibe out of new construction so open bay seems a good way to go but now the question is, is the present location where that would best fit, possibly expanding across in the land of the old ROTC or making a real plan of Rocket Hall, closer to the dorms and neighborhoods, which have lower priced, easily purchased and converted housing and plannable space? I'm thinking Rocket Hall and keeping that old ROTC land available for future academic expansion. If you're going to have a real student ghetto, with houses converted to small restaurants and student services, the lands across Dorr and Secor near Dorr are it. Everything else is Victorian. So it makes sense to ME to have Students congregating over that way, particularly in evening. They have the library and many other comfort areas to rest during day in center campus.