(01-06-2016 04:17 PM)lew240z Wrote:  The Jaguars' stadium contract expires in 2030. The buyout is almost $100,000,000.

So the NFL's worst franchise is stuck in the worst market for the foreseeable future?

London will have a team. The market is too lucrative for it to NOT have a team, and yes, I've got plenty of pals on the other side of the pond that I hear this from.

(01-06-2016 02:08 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Just a note, that is less of an issue with the latest modified TV agreements that allow for games to be shown on the other network as needed. Case in point, the CBS Thanksgiving game this year featured two NFC teams.

Two teams in the same division has some issues, but I don't think TV is a big one, since they would probably simply designate one of them as a "Fox property" in that scenario, and one NFC team as a "CBS property", going forward, or just split them in terms of numbers.

Though not a big deal, one issue that will come up is Shared media market scheduling situation, where the teams can never be scheduled to play at the same time (other than rare occasions) unless playing each other. Being west coast teams complicates that, because none of their home games, and most of their division road games cannot be played in the 1:00 window.

More information on the scheduling policy can be found here.

Time to realign?

AFC 1 - Chargers, Raiders, Broncos, Texans
AFC 2 - Titans, Chiefs, Colts, Steelers
AFC 3 - Ravens, Jets, Bills, Patriots
AFC 4 - Dolphins, Jaguars, Bengals, Browns

NFC 1 - LA Rams, 49ers, Vikings, Packers
NFC 2 - Cardinals, Seahawks, Saints, Falcons
NFC 3 - Eagles, Giants, Redskins, Cowboys
NFC 4 - Lions, Bears, Buccaneers, Panthers

I toyed flipping the Broncos and Titans to better balance the number of early division games for the the western teams in AFC 1 and AFC 2. It would be nice to move the Cowboys out of the NFC East, but the Falcons and Saints want to stay together, and Dallas likes its current group of divisional rivals. The Saints and Falcons actually did play in the NFC West, so this would not be unprecedented.

No realignment... please. Raiders in the NFC is bad enough... I mean it's literally perfect. PERFECT.

(01-06-2016 08:50 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 02:08 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Just a note, that is less of an issue with the latest modified TV agreements that allow for games to be shown on the other network as needed. Case in point, the CBS Thanksgiving game this year featured two NFC teams.

Two teams in the same division has some issues, but I don't think TV is a big one, since they would probably simply designate one of them as a "Fox property" in that scenario, and one NFC team as a "CBS property", going forward, or just split them in terms of numbers.

Though not a big deal, one issue that will come up is Shared media market scheduling situation, where the teams can never be scheduled to play at the same time (other than rare occasions) unless playing each other. Being west coast teams complicates that, because none of their home games, and most of their division road games cannot be played in the 1:00 window.

More information on the scheduling policy can be found here.

Time to realign?

AFC 1 - Chargers, Raiders, Broncos, Texans
AFC 2 - Titans, Chiefs, Colts, Steelers
AFC 3 - Ravens, Jets, Bills, Patriots
AFC 4 - Dolphins, Jaguars, Bengals, Browns

NFC 1 - LA Rams, 49ers, Vikings, Packers
NFC 2 - Cardinals, Seahawks, Saints, Falcons
NFC 3 - Eagles, Giants, Redskins, Cowboys
NFC 4 - Lions, Bears, Buccaneers, Panthers

I toyed flipping the Broncos and Titans to better balance the number of early division games for the the western teams in AFC 1 and AFC 2. It would be nice to move the Cowboys out of the NFC East, but the Falcons and Saints want to stay together, and Dallas likes its current group of divisional rivals. The Saints and Falcons actually did play in the NFC West, so this would not be unprecedented.

Vikings, Packers, Lions and Bears
Chargers, Raiders, Chiefs and Broncos

Separating them is NFL sacrilege just as separating Eagles, Giants, Redskins and Cowboys. Its just a non-starter.

I can only presume you are relatively young to even suggest this and not a fan of any of those teams.

(01-06-2016 08:50 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 02:08 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Just a note, that is less of an issue with the latest modified TV agreements that allow for games to be shown on the other network as needed. Case in point, the CBS Thanksgiving game this year featured two NFC teams.

Two teams in the same division has some issues, but I don't think TV is a big one, since they would probably simply designate one of them as a "Fox property" in that scenario, and one NFC team as a "CBS property", going forward, or just split them in terms of numbers.

Though not a big deal, one issue that will come up is Shared media market scheduling situation, where the teams can never be scheduled to play at the same time (other than rare occasions) unless playing each other. Being west coast teams complicates that, because none of their home games, and most of their division road games cannot be played in the 1:00 window.

More information on the scheduling policy can be found here.

Time to realign?

AFC 1 - Chargers, Raiders, Broncos, Texans
AFC 2 - Titans, Chiefs, Colts, Steelers
AFC 3 - Ravens, Jets, Bills, Patriots
AFC 4 - Dolphins, Jaguars, Bengals, Browns

NFC 1 - LA Rams, 49ers, Vikings, Packers
NFC 2 - Cardinals, Seahawks, Saints, Falcons
NFC 3 - Eagles, Giants, Redskins, Cowboys
NFC 4 - Lions, Bears, Buccaneers, Panthers

I toyed flipping the Broncos and Titans to better balance the number of early division games for the the western teams in AFC 1 and AFC 2. It would be nice to move the Cowboys out of the NFC East, but the Falcons and Saints want to stay together, and Dallas likes its current group of divisional rivals. The Saints and Falcons actually did play in the NFC West, so this would not be unprecedented.

if you are going to do major re-alignment time to prepare for the future with the teams in London coming. Time to go with 8-team divisions and ditch the AFC and NFC

West division
Sea, SF, Ariz, STL/LA Rams,
SD/LA Chargers, Oak/LA Raiders, Den, KC

Central Division
Minn, GB, Chi, Det, Indy, Hou, NO, Dal

East Division
Cle, Cincy, Pitt, Balt, Tenn, Atl, Car, Tampa

Atlantic Division
NE, Mia, Buf, NYJ, NYG, Philly, Wash, Jax/London Jaguars

(01-06-2016 08:50 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 02:08 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Just a note, that is less of an issue with the latest modified TV agreements that allow for games to be shown on the other network as needed. Case in point, the CBS Thanksgiving game this year featured two NFC teams.

Two teams in the same division has some issues, but I don't think TV is a big one, since they would probably simply designate one of them as a "Fox property" in that scenario, and one NFC team as a "CBS property", going forward, or just split them in terms of numbers.

Though not a big deal, one issue that will come up is Shared media market scheduling situation, where the teams can never be scheduled to play at the same time (other than rare occasions) unless playing each other. Being west coast teams complicates that, because none of their home games, and most of their division road games cannot be played in the 1:00 window.

More information on the scheduling policy can be found here.

Time to realign?

AFC 1 - Chargers, Raiders, Broncos, Texans
AFC 2 - Titans, Chiefs, Colts, Steelers
AFC 3 - Ravens, Jets, Bills, Patriots
AFC 4 - Dolphins, Jaguars, Bengals, Browns

NFC 1 - LA Rams, 49ers, Vikings, Packers
NFC 2 - Cardinals, Seahawks, Saints, Falcons
NFC 3 - Eagles, Giants, Redskins, Cowboys
NFC 4 - Lions, Bears, Buccaneers, Panthers

I toyed flipping the Broncos and Titans to better balance the number of early division games for the the western teams in AFC 1 and AFC 2. It would be nice to move the Cowboys out of the NFC East, but the Falcons and Saints want to stay together, and Dallas likes its current group of divisional rivals. The Saints and Falcons actually did play in the NFC West, so this would not be unprecedented.

if you are going to do major re-alignment time to prepare for the future with the teams in London coming. Time to go with 8-team divisions and ditch the AFC and NFC

West division
Sea, SF, Ariz, STL/LA Rams,
SD/LA Chargers, Oak/LA Raiders, Den, KC

Central Division
Minn, GB, Chi, Det, Indy, Hou, NO, Dal

East Division
Cle, Cincy, Pitt, Balt, Tenn, Atl, Car, Tampa

Atlantic Division
NE, Mia, Buf, NYJ, NYG, Philly, Wash, Jax/London Jaguars

I think the AFC East and AFC North are pretty much untouchable as well. The two south divisions and the NFC West are the "leftovers" divisions (actually the NFC South has more former NFC West teams than the NFC West does). If there were any realignment, it would have to be there.

That said, I think that despite me saying it was not necessary for scheduling purposes, if the Raiders and Chargers both move to LA, one likely does move. If it has to be one, I think the Raiders to the NFC West (and it probably has to be for the Seahawks, former AFC West team) since they at least would have a rivalry with the 49er to replace the 49ers/Seahawks rivalry. I suppose the Rams would be the second option, but as mentioned above, moving them creates its own set of problems.

The logical thing is let the Rams build the stadium and move demanding appropriate concessions for the Chargers to be co-tenant with a subsidy payment to Davis to move to St. Louis, the folks in St.Louis are used to having a mess of an NFL ownership. That takes care of the Chargers and Kroneke is so hell bent to move that a little extortion won't hurt.

As to London, that's not just the commissioner. It's the next grand prize after LA. Incredible money there. The big problem is not teams coming to London, it is dealing with the road trips for the London team. Too impractical to go back and forth that means a London team needs a second training facility in the US to layover on road swings.

I don't think you can separate Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Baltimore. Maybe Cincinnati but really that group has a lot of history together (remember the Ravens are the old Browns) and they really hate each other. I think it would be foolish to break that up.

Also anybody thinking Cleveland will lose the Browns probably do not know much about Cleveland or the Browns.

(01-06-2016 08:50 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Time to realign?

AFC 1 - Chargers, Raiders, Broncos, Texans
AFC 2 - Titans, Chiefs, Colts, Steelers
AFC 3 - Ravens, Jets, Bills, Patriots
AFC 4 - Dolphins, Jaguars, Bengals, Browns

NFC 1 - LA Rams, 49ers, Vikings, Packers
NFC 2 - Cardinals, Seahawks, Saints, Falcons
NFC 3 - Eagles, Giants, Redskins, Cowboys
NFC 4 - Lions, Bears, Buccaneers, Panthers

I toyed flipping the Broncos and Titans to better balance the number of early division games for the the western teams in AFC 1 and AFC 2. It would be nice to move the Cowboys out of the NFC East, but the Falcons and Saints want to stay together, and Dallas likes its current group of divisional rivals. The Saints and Falcons actually did play in the NFC West, so this would not be unprecedented.

Why would you move the Texans into the West? It's slightly farther west than Kansas City but the Chiefs have decades of history with the proposed Texans division.

The divisions are fine how they are, minus the Cowboys being in the East and we know why that's not gonna change.

(01-06-2016 08:50 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Time to realign?

AFC 1 - Chargers, Raiders, Broncos, Texans
AFC 2 - Titans, Chiefs, Colts, Steelers
AFC 3 - Ravens, Jets, Bills, Patriots
AFC 4 - Dolphins, Jaguars, Bengals, Browns

NFC 1 - LA Rams, 49ers, Vikings, Packers
NFC 2 - Cardinals, Seahawks, Saints, Falcons
NFC 3 - Eagles, Giants, Redskins, Cowboys
NFC 4 - Lions, Bears, Buccaneers, Panthers

I toyed flipping the Broncos and Titans to better balance the number of early division games for the the western teams in AFC 1 and AFC 2. It would be nice to move the Cowboys out of the NFC East, but the Falcons and Saints want to stay together, and Dallas likes its current group of divisional rivals. The Saints and Falcons actually did play in the NFC West, so this would not be unprecedented.

Why would you move the Texans into the West? It's slightly farther west than Kansas City but the Chiefs have decades of history with the proposed Texans division.

The divisions are fine how they are, minus the Cowboys being in the East and we know why that's not gonna change.

As for London, all that would need to happen is that they play 3-4 games at a time in the US and teams that come to play them have a bye week the week before (or they can be placed on Thursday Night football).

(01-05-2016 04:21 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 04:03 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  The Raiders, should they miss out on LA, should move to Santa Clara. They don't have a choice in reality.

But the Raiders want no part of Santa Clara. Maybe with enough relocation bribe money, Davis can rebuild the Coliseum with $150 million from the Oakland.

Raiders can move to Portland that area is getting pretty big.

(01-07-2016 12:27 AM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  I don't think you can separate Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Baltimore. Maybe Cincinnati ...

No, not Cincinnati. Definitely not taking my Bungals away from the hated Steelers and the turncoat Baltimore Browns, and since the New Browns on the Block want to play the Steelers and turncoat Baltimore Browns just as badly, may as well pretend that we care just as much about playing them in "the Battle of Ohio" and make it a bloc.

Quote: ... but really that group has a lot of history together (remember the Ravens are the old Browns) and they really hate each other.

After all, the turncoat Baltimore Browns and god-damned Modell is why the Bengals came into existence in the first place.

Quote: I think it would be foolish to break that up.

It would definitely be burning a substantial chunk of brand equity ... there would have to be a substantial pile of extra cash on the other side of the deal to make up for it.

The Steelers are one of the biggest voices in the room. There is absolutely no way they allow a realignment that moves either of their top rivals, the Ravens or the Browns, and really even Cincinnati for that matter. The NFC East, NFC North, AFC East, and AFC North are more or less untouchable. The AFC West is pretty untouchable as well, but the only reason it might be changed, is because two teams within the division are voluntarily moving, which might create chaos in other areas.

(01-07-2016 11:02 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  The Steelers are one of the biggest voices in the room. There is absolutely no way they allow a realignment that moves either of their top rivals, the Ravens or the Browns, and really even Cincinnati for that matter. The NFC East, NFC North, AFC East, and AFC North are more or less untouchable. The AFC West is pretty untouchable as well, but the only reason it might be changed, is because two teams within the division are voluntarily moving, which might create chaos in other areas.

ChargerRadio must be a young guy and not really follow the NFL...The NFC North, AFC North and NFC East ain't changing...the owners and fans in those cities will not allow it.

(01-07-2016 11:02 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  The Steelers are one of the biggest voices in the room. There is absolutely no way they allow a realignment that moves either of their top rivals, the Ravens or the Browns, and really even Cincinnati for that matter. The NFC East, NFC North, AFC East, and AFC North are more or less untouchable. The AFC West is pretty untouchable as well, but the only reason it might be changed, is because two teams within the division are voluntarily moving, which might create chaos in other areas.

The Bengals/Steelers/Browns/Browns and Dolphins/Pats/Jets/Bills would be pretty tough to break up as well as the NFC East, AFC West and NFC North. Its really just the two South Divisions and the NFC West that don't have the long history together. They have 5 of the 6 post merger expansion teams, along with the Rams-49ers pair, the Falcons-Saints pair and the much moved Seahawks, Cardinals and Colts.

What's wrong with the setup for the west of the AFC/NFC ?

LA Chargers, St Louis Raiders, KC Chiefs, Denver Broncos

LA Rams, San Fran 49ers, Seattle, Arizona

(01-07-2016 04:44 AM)MJG Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 04:21 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 04:03 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  The Raiders, should they miss out on LA, should move to Santa Clara. They don't have a choice in reality.

But the Raiders want no part of Santa Clara. Maybe with enough relocation bribe money, Davis can rebuild the Coliseum with $150 million from the Oakland.

Raiders can move to Portland that area is getting pretty big.

Nope. Too much overlap with Seattle.