(12-28-2015 02:30 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Add four teams to get 16. Add San Diego State, Boise State, Colorado State or Air Force, and BYU.

Eastern Division
Connecticut
Temple
Navy
Cincinnati
Memphis
East Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida

Western Division
Tulane
Tulsa
Houston
SMU
Colorado State or Air Force
BYU
Boise State
San Diego State

I could go for something like this if---->. We were promised a lot more money by ESPN and given a guaranteed slot in a NY6 game for our champion. There's no question this would be a power conference.

We do not want any team further west than Colorado. Terrible time zone for tv cable.

(12-28-2015 02:57 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  USFL?

It's funny you mention them and have Donald Trump in your signature. I saw the 30-for-30 on the USFL and all I can say is they tried to go too fast, too soon. It also makes you wonder why the NFL added the AFL. I guess Al Davis was a smoother mover than Trump.

(12-29-2015 04:31 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(12-28-2015 02:57 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  USFL?

It's funny you mention them and have Donald Trump in your signature. I saw the 30-for-30 on the USFL and all I can say is they tried to go too fast, too soon. It also makes you wonder why the NFL added the AFL. I guess Al Davis was a smoother mover than Trump.

USFL was a successful Spring Football League with growing TV presence, however, Trump and a few other owners wanted the NFL to invite/merge their few teams into the NFL...and thought forcing them thru the courts as a means to do so was their best chance.

It failed miserably....which was a bummer...as it was a fun league with some top talent (Jim Kelly, Herschel Walker, Mike Rozier, Doug Flutie, Reggie White, Bobby Hebert, Anthony Carter, etc...).

This move for Trump was obviously not one of his success stories and one that he probably wishes he had back.

(12-29-2015 08:00 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 04:31 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(12-28-2015 02:57 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  USFL?

It's funny you mention them and have Donald Trump in your signature. I saw the 30-for-30 on the USFL and all I can say is they tried to go too fast, too soon. It also makes you wonder why the NFL added the AFL. I guess Al Davis was a smoother mover than Trump.

USFL was a successful Spring Football League with growing TV presence, however, Trump and a few other owners wanted the NFL to invite/merge their few teams into the NFL...and thought forcing them thru the courts as a means to do so was their best chance.

It failed miserably....which was a bummer...as it was a fun league with some top talent (Jim Kelly, Herschel Walker, Mike Rozier, Doug Flutie, Reggie White, Bobby Hebert, Anthony Carter, etc...).

This move for Trump was obviously not one of his success stories and one that he probably wishes he had back.

In typical Donald Trump fashion, he thought that his attorneys could just steamroll over the NFL because of what were pretty obvious anti-trust activities by the established league. He was correct, the USFL actually won the lawsuit and a moral victory but lost in the "real world" because over the years, the totaled the judgment was $5,500,003, $3 ($1 X 3) in actual anti-trust damages and several years later $5.5M in attorney fees.

Reggie White played his pro football rookie year playing for the Memphis Showboats. It was a fun league that drew good crowds in many cities, led by Tampa Bay.

I'd add sdsu, byu, bsu, and air force. Dump smu and Tulane as now you have academic power with air force, then add fresno and Colorado state. That solves all of byu's travel issues if you pair them with cincy as a crossover

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(12-29-2015 10:29 AM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  I'd add sdsu, byu, bsu, and air force. Dump smu and Tulane as now you have academic power with air force, then add fresno and Colorado state. That solves all of byu's travel issues if you pair them with cincy as a crossover

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Yeah, dump one of the premier basketball programs in the conference in recent years.

(12-29-2015 10:37 AM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 10:29 AM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  I'd add sdsu, byu, bsu, and air force. Dump smu and Tulane as now you have academic power with air force, then add fresno and Colorado state. That solves all of byu's travel issues if you pair them with cincy as a crossover

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Yeah, dump one of the premier basketball programs in the conference in recent years.

Every time you get premier you have yet another recruiting violation. People notice these things

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(12-29-2015 10:37 AM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 10:29 AM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  I'd add sdsu, byu, bsu, and air force. Dump smu and Tulane as now you have academic power with air force, then add fresno and Colorado state. That solves all of byu's travel issues if you pair them with cincy as a crossover

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Yeah, dump one of the premier basketball programs in the conference in recent years.

SDSU is every bit the "premier" basketball program SMU is...

(12-29-2015 11:24 AM)k5james Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 10:37 AM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 10:29 AM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  I'd add sdsu, byu, bsu, and air force. Dump smu and Tulane as now you have academic power with air force, then add fresno and Colorado state. That solves all of byu's travel issues if you pair them with cincy as a crossover

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Yeah, dump one of the premier basketball programs in the conference in recent years.

SDSU is every bit the "premier" basketball program SMU is...

Thanks.

We're not dumping SMU to add anyone. SDSU would be a great addition if we needed another program. I just don't see the need at this time and SMU is an established and valued member of the conference.

The SDSU, Boise, ect option would be my WTF am I going to do now when the AAC gets picked apart by P5 expansion choices.

(12-29-2015 11:49 AM)Pirate1 Wrote:  The SDSU, Boise, ect option would be my WTF am I going to do now when the AAC gets picked apart by P5 expansion choices.

The ship has sailed for adding MWC teams. The AAC simply added too many cusa teams. At a minimum out west you would need

Boise
Csu
Fresno
Sdsu
Af
Unlv
Hawaii
Unm

Byu is not looking to join any G5 conf right now.

(12-29-2015 11:49 AM)Pirate1 Wrote:  The SDSU, Boise, ect option would be my WTF am I going to do now when the AAC gets picked apart by P5 expansion choices.

lol, yeah because ECU is above being grouped with a school like SDSU...

Boise isn't leaving the MWC. They have their fiefdom setup and are happy unless a P5 comes calling and we all know that isn't happening.

(12-29-2015 11:05 AM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 10:37 AM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 10:29 AM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  I'd add sdsu, byu, bsu, and air force. Dump smu and Tulane as now you have academic power with air force, then add fresno and Colorado state. That solves all of byu's travel issues if you pair them with cincy as a crossover

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Yeah, dump one of the premier basketball programs in the conference in recent years.

Every time you get premier you have yet another recruiting violation. People notice these things

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The one time USF was premier in a major sport it Cooged it by losing several games in a row

You are nothing more than a troll and a bad one at that. At least Bearcats#1 and shere khan are funny

(12-29-2015 11:24 AM)k5james Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 10:37 AM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 10:29 AM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  I'd add sdsu, byu, bsu, and air force. Dump smu and Tulane as now you have academic power with air force, then add fresno and Colorado state. That solves all of byu's travel issues if you pair them with cincy as a crossover

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Yeah, dump one of the premier basketball programs in the conference in recent years.

SDSU is every bit the "premier" basketball program SMU is...

Never said it wasn't. But why dump 1 when it's not needed to add another?

San Diego State is an excellent candidate....I don't know why they don't come up in discussion more for the Big XII

I think you could have 2 options which include San Diego State:
1) San Diego State + Western team (UNLV, New Mexico, Air Force, Colorado St.), move Memphis to EAST
2) San Diego State + Eastern team (Army, NIU, A-State, Western Kentucky)

The divisional setup right now is pretty good, so you don't want to upset that too much...16 brings in too much change.

I can't imagine Air Force and Colorado State leaving for the American without each other....so I think it would be hard to try and split them and force them to be travel companions with SDSU. UNLV and New Mexico really aren't worth adding them solely to pair with SDSU either. Some people might want Boise State, but they really don't add anything besides being good in football. So an eastern team might be better....

NIU might not be a bad choice. You'd effectively be taking a couple of the strongest teams away from the MAC and Mountain West. Is Army a good fit for the American? you'd be forcing Army-Navy to be moved...wouldn't they want to be in the same division as Navy?

I just don't think everything is as simple when adding San Diego State. They could easily be added, but then #14 is an issue

(12-28-2015 11:05 PM)Savacool Wrote:  We do not want any team further west than Colorado. Terrible time zone for tv cable.

Lol. Terrible time zone for cable TV? Does that mean the Pacific time zone is fine for broadcast or satellite TV? And when one is referring to distance, the word is fArther. (Fess up. You never really attended Tulane.)

(12-29-2015 02:49 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  San Diego State is an excellent candidate....I don't know why they don't come up in discussion more for the Big XII

I think you could have 2 options which include San Diego State:
1) San Diego State + Western team (UNLV, New Mexico, Air Force, Colorado St.), move Memphis to EAST
2) San Diego State + Eastern team (Army, NIU, A-State, Western Kentucky)

The divisional setup right now is pretty good, so you don't want to upset that too much...16 brings in too much change.

I can't imagine Air Force and Colorado State leaving for the American without each other....so I think it would be hard to try and split them and force them to be travel companions with SDSU. UNLV and New Mexico really aren't worth adding them solely to pair with SDSU either. Some people might want Boise State, but they really don't add anything besides being good in football. So an eastern team might be better....

NIU might not be a bad choice. You'd effectively be taking a couple of the strongest teams away from the MAC and Mountain West. Is Army a good fit for the American? you'd be forcing Army-Navy to be moved...wouldn't they want to be in the same division as Navy?

I just don't think everything is as simple when adding San Diego State. They could easily be added, but then #14 is an issue

Too far without a western division.

(12-29-2015 02:59 PM)SleepingGiantsFan Wrote:  

(12-28-2015 11:05 PM)Savacool Wrote:  We do not want any team further west than Colorado. Terrible time zone for tv cable.

Lol. Terrible time zone for cable TV? Does that mean the Pacific time zone is fine for broadcast or satellite TV? And when one is referring to distance, the word is fArther. (Fess up. You never really attended Tulane.)

PAC 12 TV ratings were terrible most of the year, especially late night games EDT(Prime time PDT.)

It is great to see this topic come up again on this thread.

It has been interesting since the Aztecs were once talked about joining (and should have).

#1...Football keeps getting better and better in most ways.

#2...Good football fans that I hang around with have come around and been commenting to me that we made a mistake by not joining the AAC (or backing out)

These are some guys who hated the move the first time around.