(01-05-2016 05:29 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 04:30 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  AAC should add San Diego State, Boise State, BYU and Air Force.

Would the AAC schools be willing to do this for all sports?

Question goes to espn. If it makes financial sense, it can happen. I'd like to see a western pod and toss in Gonzaga to reduce west coast team expenses. Add VCU in the east and WSU in the central pod. Then we could easily add 4 members on west coast.

(01-05-2016 05:45 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  3/4 on that list have already considered it and said no thanks. Bsu because of Tulane and Tulsa. Afa for many reasons. And sdsu because the AAC couldn't add MWC schools.

Stop the nonsense, only 2 formal invites were bsu and sdsu. Each accepted before autobid was removed and tv payout looked much lower than $10 million which espn initially agreed when ucf was going to be the 10th member. All parties wanted a split because travel made zero sense only getting $2 million. Plus bsu was able to go back and rape the mwc like fools for leverage. Smart move though.

(01-05-2016 04:59 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  Well of course Notre Dame is a significant draw, but you have to understand that on a negotiating table you don't always gain traction because you play someone consistently that's a big draw. Army-Navy is a negotiating piece because Navy is just as important to the games success as anything else. Same can't be said about the Notre Dame series. Who would say "Oh, yes AAC! We're going to give you more money because you play Notre Dame!"

I understand that Navy-Air Force get's over the air broadcast sometimes. But, that's like me making the fact that Virginia Tech-ECU being on ABC this past year and a number of other times is a big deal. It is what it is: a great accomplishment and a big part of the overall puzzle. But don't overrate it as better than anyone else.

At the negotiating table, you point out that the AAC now brings the ND viewing audience for an additional game in odd years & a 2nd service academy rivalry game in even years.

That is value added the AAC did not have to offer in the last negotiation,
in addition to the Army - Navy game, every other year.

Will ECU be playing Virginia Tech every year, for the life of the contract ?
Temple vs ND & Penn State ?

(01-05-2016 06:00 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 05:45 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  3/4 on that list have already considered it and said no thanks. Bsu because of Tulane and Tulsa. Afa for many reasons. And sdsu because the AAC couldn't add MWC schools.

Stop the nonsense, only 2 formal invites were bsu and sdsu. Each accepted before autobid was removed and tv payout looked much lower than $10 million which espn initially agreed when ucf was going to be the 10th member. All parties wanted a split because travel made zero sense only getting $2 million. Plus bsu was able to go back and rape the mwc like fools for leverage. Smart move though.

Then why did Afa publicly say it didn't make sense for them geographically or competitively? They like where they are at.

http://m.gazette.com/air-force-says-no-t...cle/129756

(01-05-2016 05:29 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 04:30 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  AAC should add San Diego State, Boise State, BYU and Air Force.

Would the AAC schools be willing to do this for all sports?

No but if we replaced Boise with CSU, UNLV or Fresno State and ESPN gave the AAC all of the MWC's money then yes.

(01-05-2016 06:37 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 06:00 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 05:45 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  3/4 on that list have already considered it and said no thanks. Bsu because of Tulane and Tulsa. Afa for many reasons. And sdsu because the AAC couldn't add MWC schools.

Stop the nonsense, only 2 formal invites were bsu and sdsu. Each accepted before autobid was removed and tv payout looked much lower than $10 million which espn initially agreed when ucf was going to be the 10th member. All parties wanted a split because travel made zero sense only getting $2 million. Plus bsu was able to go back and rape the mwc like fools for leverage. Smart move though.

Then why did Afa publicly say it didn't make sense for them geographically or competitively? They like where they are at.

http://m.gazette.com/air-force-says-no-t...cle/129756

You do realize that AF turned down a football only deal

(01-05-2016 07:06 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 06:37 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 06:00 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 05:45 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  3/4 on that list have already considered it and said no thanks. Bsu because of Tulane and Tulsa. Afa for many reasons. And sdsu because the AAC couldn't add MWC schools.

Stop the nonsense, only 2 formal invites were bsu and sdsu. Each accepted before autobid was removed and tv payout looked much lower than $10 million which espn initially agreed when ucf was going to be the 10th member. All parties wanted a split because travel made zero sense only getting $2 million. Plus bsu was able to go back and rape the mwc like fools for leverage. Smart move though.

Then why did Afa publicly say it didn't make sense for them geographically or competitively? They like where they are at.

http://m.gazette.com/air-force-says-no-t...cle/129756

You do realize that AF turned down a football only deal

I do because it was too much travel for their cadets. I don't see adding more travel as a reason for them to change their mind. He mentioned $ was not a motivating factor and that's when it was the big east. The AAC makes less.

Yeah because we all know what you read in the press release is the real motivation for anything ever.

(01-05-2016 07:24 PM)ECBrad Wrote:  Yeah because we all know what you read in the press release is the real motivation for anything ever.

Sometimes it is. I don't see them abandoning long standing rivalries to join what the AAC is now. They already turned down a better offer.

(01-05-2016 07:33 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 07:24 PM)ECBrad Wrote:  Yeah because we all know what you read in the press release is the real motivation for anything ever.

Sometimes it is. I don't see them abandoning long standing rivalries to join what the AAC is now. They already turned down a better offer.

How many teams said they were happy were they were before bolting. Happens all the time. Getting Navy already changes the game. Plus the added exposure. Better to separate from the g4 anyway for Air Force.

(01-05-2016 06:11 PM)old salt Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 04:59 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  Well of course Notre Dame is a significant draw, but you have to understand that on a negotiating table you don't always gain traction because you play someone consistently that's a big draw. Army-Navy is a negotiating piece because Navy is just as important to the games success as anything else. Same can't be said about the Notre Dame series. Who would say "Oh, yes AAC! We're going to give you more money because you play Notre Dame!"

I understand that Navy-Air Force get's over the air broadcast sometimes. But, that's like me making the fact that Virginia Tech-ECU being on ABC this past year and a number of other times is a big deal. It is what it is: a great accomplishment and a big part of the overall puzzle. But don't overrate it as better than anyone else.

At the negotiating table, you point out that the AAC now brings the ND viewing audience for an additional game in odd years & a 2nd service academy rivalry game in even years.

That is value added the AAC did not have to offer in the last negotiation,
in addition to the Army - Navy game, every other year.

Will ECU be playing Virginia Tech every year, for the life of the contract ?
Temple vs ND & Penn State ?

That Notre Dame game does bring big value. I think that along with some content that disney will put on ABC helps will get us a good raise.

(01-05-2016 08:00 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 07:33 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 07:24 PM)ECBrad Wrote:  Yeah because we all know what you read in the press release is the real motivation for anything ever.

Sometimes it is. I don't see them abandoning long standing rivalries to join what the AAC is now. They already turned down a better offer.

How many teams said they were happy were they were before bolting. Happens all the time. Getting Navy already changes the game. Plus the added exposure. Better to separate from the g4 anyway for Air Force.

So the big east with the c7 and Louisville, wva, etc was not good enough for them but what you have now is? Laughable man

I'm sorry but what is a G-4?

Nevermind, I know what it is:

Give em a break. Most of that talk is from new adds from cusa. I mean they made the access bowl this year it was a good year for them. Logical thinkers see the foolishness in the talk though. Since the MWC has already done all of those things.

Tulsa has already been that route with the west coast teams. The time period they start play in the evenings is way too late. Even for fans in Central time zone. Don't even mention for fans in the Eastern time zone, that would be unworkable for them. Tulsa had to put up with playing mountain teams at high altitude when we were in the WAC. Was not a great experience for the Tulsa teams.

(01-05-2016 08:04 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 06:11 PM)old salt Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 04:59 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  Well of course Notre Dame is a significant draw, but you have to understand that on a negotiating table you don't always gain traction because you play someone consistently that's a big draw. Army-Navy is a negotiating piece because Navy is just as important to the games success as anything else. Same can't be said about the Notre Dame series. Who would say "Oh, yes AAC! We're going to give you more money because you play Notre Dame!"

I understand that Navy-Air Force get's over the air broadcast sometimes. But, that's like me making the fact that Virginia Tech-ECU being on ABC this past year and a number of other times is a big deal. It is what it is: a great accomplishment and a big part of the overall puzzle. But don't overrate it as better than anyone else.

At the negotiating table, you point out that the AAC now brings the ND viewing audience for an additional game in odd years & a 2nd service academy rivalry game in even years.

That is value added the AAC did not have to offer in the last negotiation,
in addition to the Army - Navy game, every other year.

Will ECU be playing Virginia Tech every year, for the life of the contract ?
Temple vs ND & Penn State ?

That Notre Dame game does bring big value. I think that along with some content that disney will put on ABC helps will get us a good raise.

Yes ECU/VT is for the life of the contract.