(12-21-2015 10:23 PM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 09:44 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 06:25 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  This is a good wku Team but taggert needs a defence

We have a good defense we just played a very good offensive team and didn't play as good as we could have

WillieT is a helluva a coach. You give him what he needs, and he will turn you boys into contenders. Your defense was out matched today, and we gifted you some possessions early on.

10 points is what I expected, your team will be fine. I wouldn't be surprised if WT retires from USF, its a perfect situation for everyone involved. You have a nice team, and were more than capable of finishing higher if you had come on earlier in the year. I'll pull for you guys (unless its against the Toppers oc) as long as WT is there. Good luck next season!

Amazing coach! 8-5 in his best year. Lost to a coach of a lesser conference making 3x less just moving up from the sunbelt.

(12-22-2015 08:47 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 10:23 PM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 09:44 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 06:25 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  This is a good wku Team but taggert needs a defence

We have a good defense we just played a very good offensive team and didn't play as good as we could have

WillieT is a helluva a coach. You give him what he needs, and he will turn you boys into contenders. Your defense was out matched today, and we gifted you some possessions early on.

10 points is what I expected, your team will be fine. I wouldn't be surprised if WT retires from USF, its a perfect situation for everyone involved. You have a nice team, and were more than capable of finishing higher if you had come on earlier in the year. I'll pull for you guys (unless its against the Toppers oc) as long as WT is there. Good luck next season!

Amazing coach! 8-5 in his best year. Lost to a coach of a lesser conference making 3x less just moving up from the sunbelt.

That was an 11-2 top 25 team.
And yes that coach beat your sorry ass excuse of a team 44-3

Can't believe UCF fans are talking trash after the beating and season they had. Too bad you couldn't get Brohm to take over your vaunted program

(12-22-2015 09:17 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 08:47 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 10:23 PM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 09:44 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 06:25 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  This is a good wku Team but taggert needs a defence

We have a good defense we just played a very good offensive team and didn't play as good as we could have

WillieT is a helluva a coach. You give him what he needs, and he will turn you boys into contenders. Your defense was out matched today, and we gifted you some possessions early on.

10 points is what I expected, your team will be fine. I wouldn't be surprised if WT retires from USF, its a perfect situation for everyone involved. You have a nice team, and were more than capable of finishing higher if you had come on earlier in the year. I'll pull for you guys (unless its against the Toppers oc) as long as WT is there. Good luck next season!

Amazing coach! 8-5 in his best year. Lost to a coach of a lesser conference making 3x less just moving up from the sunbelt.

That was an 11-2 top 25 team.
And yes that coach beat your sorry ass excuse of a team 44-3

Can't believe UCF fans are talking trash after the beating and season they had. Too bad you couldn't get Brohm to take over your vaunted program

Think you are missing the point (i.e. USF just gave a contract extension raise to a coach with a 8 win season), as its USF that has a long history of BAD contracts, giving extensions to coaches...sometimes after only a small sample of success (1 good year out of 6 in hoops), and USF is stuck with paying off these bad contracts...sometimes just months after offering them (i.e. Stan Heath...given raise/contract extension...then fired 9 months later).

That, and USF (where their fans bragged forever about their "BCS" status and always looked down at CUSA, where most of the AAC teams came from) lost to a team that had mostly Sunbelt recruits and just recently moved up to CUSA, which is almost unrecognizable these days.

(12-22-2015 09:39 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 09:17 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 08:47 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 10:23 PM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 09:44 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  We have a good defense we just played a very good offensive team and didn't play as good as we could have

WillieT is a helluva a coach. You give him what he needs, and he will turn you boys into contenders. Your defense was out matched today, and we gifted you some possessions early on.

10 points is what I expected, your team will be fine. I wouldn't be surprised if WT retires from USF, its a perfect situation for everyone involved. You have a nice team, and were more than capable of finishing higher if you had come on earlier in the year. I'll pull for you guys (unless its against the Toppers oc) as long as WT is there. Good luck next season!

Amazing coach! 8-5 in his best year. Lost to a coach of a lesser conference making 3x less just moving up from the sunbelt.

That was an 11-2 top 25 team.
And yes that coach beat your sorry ass excuse of a team 44-3

Can't believe UCF fans are talking trash after the beating and season they had. Too bad you couldn't get Brohm to take over your vaunted program

Think you are missing the point (i.e. USF just gave a contract extension raise to a coach with a 8 win season), as its USF that has a long history of BAD contracts, giving extensions to coaches...sometimes after only a small sample of success (1 good year out of 6 in hoops), and USF is stuck with paying off these bad contracts...sometimes just months after offering them (i.e. Stan Heath...given raise/contract extension...then fired 9 months later).

That, and USF (where their fans bragged forever about their "BCS" status) lost to a team that had mostly Sunbelt recruits and just recently moved up to CUSA, which is almost unrecognizable these days.

Since you have ZERO idea on how Taggart will do next year it's just wishful thinking on your part that this will be a bad contract extension.
Sorry to bust your bubble but this team returns 7 defensive starters and 7 offensive starters from yesterday. Including every RB, WRs,QB and LBs

You hope and pray that this is a bad contract and you are basing it on losing to an 12-2 team that it's top 25 and senior laden. Those sunbelt recruits you mention were recruited mostly by Taggart. You know the same coach you think it's overpaid and has gone 7-2 down the stretch with only loses to ranked Navy and WKU

As I said how much is UCF paying a coach with no HC experience, maybe you should worry about that before your next beating

UCF friends: we should probably try and stay quiet. We were really down this year but we will be back, but until then we can't really talk very much. usf is probably trying to lock up taggart before what they expect to be a big season next year. They return a whole lot next year but a year will come when they have to replace a whole lot. usf beat us pretty good this year so we should just bide our time and wait. Just my $0.02 and I was probably one of our bigger talkers when we were good. At this point we should just take the jokes as we deserve them and just try to remember the good ole days of winning championships and bowl games until we are back.

(12-21-2015 04:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  That's a big investment in a guy with just two months of good results. Nothing to do but hope for the best.

This. Quo nailed this. This guy was on the cusp of being fired this year, instead he beats 2 teams with winning records and gets to 8 wins in a horrible division, and he's resigned. As a UCF fan, I love this move, but being completely objective; I hope USF knows what they're doing here.

(12-22-2015 10:09 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 04:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  That's a big investment in a guy with just two months of good results. Nothing to do but hope for the best.

This. Quo nailed this. This guy was on the cusp of being fired this year, instead he beats 2 teams with winning records and gets to 8 wins in a horrible division, and he's resigned. As a UCF fan, I love this move, but being completely objective; I hope USF knows what they're doing here.

IF they have a big year next year, they'll look pretty smart. If they have an average to above average year of 8 wins or less, they won't look so smart. They're betting big on the bus driver, time will tell if it pays off.

(12-22-2015 10:09 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 04:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  That's a big investment in a guy with just two months of good results. Nothing to do but hope for the best.

This. Quo nailed this. This guy was on the cusp of being fired this year, instead he beats 2 teams with winning records and gets to 8 wins in a horrible division, and he's resigned. As a UCF fan, I love this move, but being completely objective; I hope USF knows what they're doing here.

A team that got progressively better and more talented in each of his years. A team that returns 14 starters next year and only 5 of them will be seniors.

A coach that has brought more talent to USF than we have had in years and looks to bring another big set of recruits

I'll take that bet and I'm glad our AD was smart enough to extend it an increase his buy out when teams with deeper pockets come after him

Yet UCF is paying 1.7 million for a guy with no HC experience and that's a good gamble?

(12-22-2015 10:21 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 10:09 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 04:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  That's a big investment in a guy with just two months of good results. Nothing to do but hope for the best.

This. Quo nailed this. This guy was on the cusp of being fired this year, instead he beats 2 teams with winning records and gets to 8 wins in a horrible division, and he's resigned. As a UCF fan, I love this move, but being completely objective; I hope USF knows what they're doing here.

A team that got progressively better and more talented in each of his years. A team that returns 14 starters next year and only 5 of them will be seniors.

A coach that has brought more talent to USF than we have had in years and looks to bring another big set of recruits

I'll take that bet and I'm glad our AD was smart enough to extend it an increase his buy out when teams with deeper pockets come after him

Yet UCF is paying 1.7 million for a guy with no HC experience and that's a good gamble?

To be fair, taggart has 6 years of head coaching experience and has never won more than 8 games. This year was in fact the most wins he has ever had in one season. If things continue to get better it was a good bet. I think the contract extension was a good preemptive move, but only if usf continues to get better, and all signs are pointing that way. But this is college football and things don't always go to plan.

(12-22-2015 10:21 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 10:09 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 04:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  That's a big investment in a guy with just two months of good results. Nothing to do but hope for the best.

This. Quo nailed this. This guy was on the cusp of being fired this year, instead he beats 2 teams with winning records and gets to 8 wins in a horrible division, and he's resigned. As a UCF fan, I love this move, but being completely objective; I hope USF knows what they're doing here.

A team that got progressively better and more talented in each of his years. A team that returns 14 starters next year and only 5 of them will be seniors.

A coach that has brought more talent to USF than we have had in years and looks to bring another big set of recruits

I'll take that bet and I'm glad our AD was smart enough to extend it an increase his buy out when teams with deeper pockets come after him

Yet UCF is paying 1.7 million for a guy with no HC experience and that's a good gamble?

Lemme ask you this, how'd you feel about this if say you replaced USF for UCF and we had done the same?

(12-22-2015 10:50 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 10:21 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 10:09 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 04:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  That's a big investment in a guy with just two months of good results. Nothing to do but hope for the best.

This. Quo nailed this. This guy was on the cusp of being fired this year, instead he beats 2 teams with winning records and gets to 8 wins in a horrible division, and he's resigned. As a UCF fan, I love this move, but being completely objective; I hope USF knows what they're doing here.

A team that got progressively better and more talented in each of his years. A team that returns 14 starters next year and only 5 of them will be seniors.

A coach that has brought more talent to USF than we have had in years and looks to bring another big set of recruits

I'll take that bet and I'm glad our AD was smart enough to extend it an increase his buy out when teams with deeper pockets come after him

Yet UCF is paying 1.7 million for a guy with no HC experience and that's a good gamble?

Lemme ask you this, how'd you feel about this if say you replaced USF for UCF and we had done the same?

First off I wouldn't say anything because it doesn't matter to me what UCF does. The only reason I bring their new HC to the discussion is to point it out to you and the others.
But if I did say something I would say it was a good move. Each year he has been at USF he has improved its record and its talent level. Before we started this year everyone at USF was having a goal of six wins and a bowl, he surpass that. He has 14 starters back next year and recruiting is once again looking good.

I want a new bus video now that he has a new contract

(12-22-2015 11:08 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  I want a new bus video now that he has a new contract

Shinier and more bling bus running over a knight,an owl, a husky, a pony, a bearcat and a pirate

(12-22-2015 10:21 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 10:09 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 04:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  That's a big investment in a guy with just two months of good results. Nothing to do but hope for the best.

This. Quo nailed this. This guy was on the cusp of being fired this year, instead he beats 2 teams with winning records and gets to 8 wins in a horrible division, and he's resigned. As a UCF fan, I love this move, but being completely objective; I hope USF knows what they're doing here.

A team that got progressively better and more talented in each of his years. A team that returns 14 starters next year and only 5 of them will be seniors.

A coach that has brought more talent to USF than we have had in years and looks to bring another big set of recruits

I'll take that bet and I'm glad our AD was smart enough to extend it an increase his buy out when teams with deeper pockets come after him

Yet UCF is paying 1.7 million for a guy with no HC experience and that's a good gamble?

The record reflects the great improvement in your quarterback, who is a great athlete, but not sold on his 'quarterback greatness'. USF is poised to do well next year, but let Flowers lead you to victory in a big game on the road or a neutral site before getting to giddy. Also, your defense is big and physical, but yesterday showed there is still work to be done. Granted, that was a great college quarterback y'all faced yesterday and probable future pro.

Here are a few thoughts from someone who has watched WT his whole career as a player and coach:

WT can definitely recruit, especially in south FL (don't underestimate the importance of Asst, Raymond Woodie)

WT can build a program - his system takes time and offense can look awful while developing, but once he gets it going, he can maintain the level with his solid recruiting and his ability to run the ball

WT's offense - basically reverted back to a "newer" version of the triple option (spread option) that he ran as a QB and coach under Jack Harbaugh. He went away from a spread passing attack. He will make his living being able to run the ball like he did at WKU and now USF. His Harbaugh roots are deep. He will never have a dynamic passing attack unless it looks something like Stanford's offense, but he went away from the West Coast offense.

WT - will have a solid defense built speed and athleticism

WT - is home in south FL and will likely stay. He used the South Carolina interview to his advantage to get an extension. He was never going anywhere...

WT will be a great coach for USF and I will be watching. I am glad he turned it around this year to stay at USF. Otherwise, he would have gone to Michigan and would be recruiting for them in your backyard.

Flowers and Mack will be something to watch next season.

Just some insight....take it as you like. Good luck next season Bulls!

Thanks. I have no problem with the extension. He has rebuilt a program that was in shambles with lack of talent and no direction. 1.8 million now a days it's a good rate as proven by what other schools are paying unproven HC
Our team still very young with many of the playmakers being sophomores and juniors. The defense didn't play a good game yesterday but they were facing a potent offense with a very good experienced QB. We return pretty much all the DBS and they will continue to get better. As we saw vs Temple and UC they can play better, they just need more experience

(12-22-2015 09:39 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 09:17 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 08:47 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 10:23 PM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 09:44 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  We have a good defense we just played a very good offensive team and didn't play as good as we could have

WillieT is a helluva a coach. You give him what he needs, and he will turn you boys into contenders. Your defense was out matched today, and we gifted you some possessions early on.

10 points is what I expected, your team will be fine. I wouldn't be surprised if WT retires from USF, its a perfect situation for everyone involved. You have a nice team, and were more than capable of finishing higher if you had come on earlier in the year. I'll pull for you guys (unless its against the Toppers oc) as long as WT is there. Good luck next season!

Amazing coach! 8-5 in his best year. Lost to a coach of a lesser conference making 3x less just moving up from the sunbelt.

That was an 11-2 top 25 team.
And yes that coach beat your sorry ass excuse of a team 44-3

Can't believe UCF fans are talking trash after the beating and season they had. Too bad you couldn't get Brohm to take over your vaunted program

Think you are missing the point (i.e. USF just gave a contract extension raise to a coach with a 8 win season), as its USF that has a long history of BAD contracts, giving extensions to coaches...sometimes after only a small sample of success (1 good year out of 6 in hoops), and USF is stuck with paying off these bad contracts...sometimes just months after offering them (i.e. Stan Heath...given raise/contract extension...then fired 9 months later).

That, and USF (where their fans bragged forever about their "BCS" status and always looked down at CUSA, where most of the AAC teams came from) lost to a team that had mostly Sunbelt recruits and just recently moved up to CUSA, which is almost unrecognizable these days.

See that's some hypocrisy right there knocking USF for losing to C-USA CHAMPION. You say USF looked down their nose at C-USA whith their 'BCS"
status forgetting to mention you did exactly the same thing you're accusing them of doing...in fact, you guys are still doing it and you no longer have a "BCS" status..

Props to WKU with their "Sun Belt" talent beating USF, but can you imagine what that "sun Belt" talent would have done to your 0-12 NFL loaded Squad?

Who manages to go 0-12 and still run their mouth? who goes 0-12 period?
buffalo? yeah you guys are elite alright

(12-22-2015 12:02 PM)ultraviolet Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 10:21 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 10:09 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 04:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  That's a big investment in a guy with just two months of good results. Nothing to do but hope for the best.

This. Quo nailed this. This guy was on the cusp of being fired this year, instead he beats 2 teams with winning records and gets to 8 wins in a horrible division, and he's resigned. As a UCF fan, I love this move, but being completely objective; I hope USF knows what they're doing here.

A team that got progressively better and more talented in each of his years. A team that returns 14 starters next year and only 5 of them will be seniors.

A coach that has brought more talent to USF than we have had in years and looks to bring another big set of recruits

I'll take that bet and I'm glad our AD was smart enough to extend it an increase his buy out when teams with deeper pockets come after him

Yet UCF is paying 1.7 million for a guy with no HC experience and that's a good gamble?

The record reflects the great improvement in your quarterback, who is a great athlete, but not sold on his 'quarterback greatness'. USF is poised to do well next year, but let Flowers lead you to victory in a big game on the road or a neutral site before getting to giddy. Also, your defense is big and physical, but yesterday showed there is still work to be done. Granted, that was a great college quarterback y'all faced yesterday and probable future pro.

Thats where people miss what USF is doing because they dont know the behind the scenes.
We do have Flowers back next year... and Woolard, who is a 5 star recruit and the #1 dual threat QB in the nation just a couple years ago. He went to UCLA and got beat out by a QB who went to the NFL. He was homesick and came back to Orlando, and signed with USF. He is eligible next year.
Then we also have Brett Kean who is redshirt Freshman from Ohio that is a Dual Threat QB who won their Division One championship.

For the first time in YEARS USF will actually have depth. Were also signing a stud Florida QB this year, so well have 4 guys in the pipeline that could run this offense, with two really good QBs fighting it out for the starting position.

as far as defense, we lose a couple but we also just nailed down some juco transfers that were highly rated. The nice part is they are early enrollees and signed last week, so they are already on campus. Any defensive losses we had are being filled with experienced players. I dont expect much if at all of a drop off.

Long term we are in a good position and I think the extension for Taggart was a good one. Yes, he has only won 8 games with either team he has taken over, but you also have to remember that before he came, WKU went 0-12 (like UCF) and when we came here, the team was a dumpster fire. He has never had the chance to build a program long term and I am excited to see how he does.

(12-22-2015 12:32 PM)vodka Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 09:39 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 09:17 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 08:47 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 10:23 PM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  WillieT is a helluva a coach. You give him what he needs, and he will turn you boys into contenders. Your defense was out matched today, and we gifted you some possessions early on.

10 points is what I expected, your team will be fine. I wouldn't be surprised if WT retires from USF, its a perfect situation for everyone involved. You have a nice team, and were more than capable of finishing higher if you had come on earlier in the year. I'll pull for you guys (unless its against the Toppers oc) as long as WT is there. Good luck next season!

Amazing coach! 8-5 in his best year. Lost to a coach of a lesser conference making 3x less just moving up from the sunbelt.

That was an 11-2 top 25 team.
And yes that coach beat your sorry ass excuse of a team 44-3

Can't believe UCF fans are talking trash after the beating and season they had. Too bad you couldn't get Brohm to take over your vaunted program

Think you are missing the point (i.e. USF just gave a contract extension raise to a coach with a 8 win season), as its USF that has a long history of BAD contracts, giving extensions to coaches...sometimes after only a small sample of success (1 good year out of 6 in hoops), and USF is stuck with paying off these bad contracts...sometimes just months after offering them (i.e. Stan Heath...given raise/contract extension...then fired 9 months later).

That, and USF (where their fans bragged forever about their "BCS" status and always looked down at CUSA, where most of the AAC teams came from) lost to a team that had mostly Sunbelt recruits and just recently moved up to CUSA, which is almost unrecognizable these days.

See that's some hypocrisy right there knocking USF for losing to C-USA CHAMPION. You say USF looked down their nose at C-USA whith their 'BCS"
status forgetting to mention you did exactly the same thing you're accusing them of doing...in fact, you guys are still doing it and you no longer have a "BCS" status..

Props to WKU with their "Sun Belt" talent beating USF, but can you imagine what that "sun Belt" talent would have done to your 0-12 NFL loaded Squad?

Who manages to go 0-12 and still run their mouth? who goes 0-12 period?
buffalo? yeah you guys are elite alright

One HUGE factor people are forgetting about WKU's "Sun Belt" talent. Guess who recruited them to WKU (including Doughty the QB). Yep, you guessed it, Willie Taggart. Taggart got beat by his own recruits who had by now developed greatly. Taggart was basically recruiting CUSA/AAC type talent to WKU when WKU was still in the Sun Belt.

(12-22-2015 12:22 PM)CrushMI Wrote:  Here are a few thoughts from someone who has watched WT his whole career as a player and coach:

WT can definitely recruit, especially in south FL (don't underestimate the importance of Asst, Raymond Woodie)

WT can build a program - his system takes time and offense can look awful while developing, but once he gets it going, he can maintain the level with his solid recruiting and his ability to run the ball

WT's offense - basically reverted back to a "newer" version of the triple option (spread option) that he ran as a QB and coach under Jack Harbaugh. He went away from a spread passing attack. He will make his living being able to run the ball like he did at WKU and now USF. His Harbaugh roots are deep. He will never have a dynamic passing attack unless it looks something like Stanford's offense, but he went away from the West Coast offense.

WT - will have a solid defense built speed and athleticism

WT - is home in south FL and will likely stay. He used the South Carolina interview to his advantage to get an extension. He was never going anywhere...

WT will be a great coach for USF and I will be watching. I am glad he turned it around this year to stay at USF. Otherwise, he would have gone to Michigan and would be recruiting for them in your backyard.

Flowers and Mack will be something to watch next season.

Just some insight....take it as you like. Good luck next season Bulls!

This is a very fair assessment. USF is primed to have an absolutely huge year next year.

USF is returning:

Statistically wise for a single season, the greatest QB in USF history, who had 34 total TD's and 3,300 yds of offense, including about 1,000 yds rushing. His passing does need a little improvement, but he did throw for 22 TD's vs. only 8 Int with 2,300 passing yds. and at a greater than 60% clip.

Statistically wise the greatest RB in USF history. Mack finished with basically 1,400 yds rushing, and he missed 1.5 games due to injury.

Statistically wise for a single season the greatest WR in USF history - Rodney Adams.

The top scoring offense in USF history.

One of the top 2 tacklers in USF history (Sanchez).

And a whole bunch of other top tier players and top tier transfers/recruits including a former 5 star QB.

If USF doesn't win big next year, then they may never win big.