I think we all know it is football and market size that drives conference realignment.... Wichita St. has neither of these. I like Wichita St. and I hope Tulsa keeps our home and home series going with them in basketball, but they don't belong in the AAC as a full member. If we are talking basketball only, then they are worthy of consideration.

(12-12-2015 12:03 PM)don41 Wrote:  

(12-11-2015 02:27 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  "A natural fit" ?

What bowl is their football team playing in?

Part of Wichita's appeal to the AAC is the fact they do not have a football team and thus compensate for Navy's "football only" participation in the AAC.

If the AAC is truly considering Wichita St. as an Olympic sports member, wouldn't BYU also be a candidate for Olympic sports only?

While Wichita St. can likely establish a better recent on-court men's basketball resume, BYU likely can show better attendance, better facilities, and better overall Olympic sports program (soccer, volleyball, baseball, as well as men's and women's basketball).

Also, the AAC could immediately affiliate with BYU football for scheduling and improved bowl scenario; whereas, Wichita St. is deciding whether it should have an FBS program.

(12-12-2015 12:41 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 12:03 PM)don41 Wrote:  

(12-11-2015 02:27 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  "A natural fit" ?

What bowl is their football team playing in?

Part of Wichita's appeal to the AAC is the fact they do not have a football team and thus compensate for Navy's "football only" participation in the AAC.

If the AAC is truly considering Wichita St. as an Olympic sports member, wouldn't BYU also be a candidate for Olympic sports only?

While Wichita St. can likely establish a better recent on-court men's basketball resume, BYU likely can show better attendance, better facilities, and better overall Olympic sports program (soccer, volleyball, baseball, as well as men's and women's basketball).

Also, the AAC could immediately affiliate with BYU football for scheduling and improved bowl scenario; whereas, Wichita St. is deciding whether it should have an FBS program.

You want the AAC to give BYU the same treatment The Big East gave and the AAC is giving Notre Dame? Is this a joke?

(12-12-2015 01:33 PM)vodka Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 12:41 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 12:03 PM)don41 Wrote:  

(12-11-2015 02:27 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  "A natural fit" ?

What bowl is their football team playing in?

Part of Wichita's appeal to the AAC is the fact they do not have a football team and thus compensate for Navy's "football only" participation in the AAC.

If the AAC is truly considering Wichita St. as an Olympic sports member, wouldn't BYU also be a candidate for Olympic sports only?

While Wichita St. can likely establish a better recent on-court men's basketball resume, BYU likely can show better attendance, better facilities, and better overall Olympic sports program (soccer, volleyball, baseball, as well as men's and women's basketball).

Also, the AAC could immediately affiliate with BYU football for scheduling and improved bowl scenario; whereas, Wichita St. is deciding whether it should have an FBS program.

You want the AAC to give BYU the same treatment The Big East gave and the AAC is giving Notre Dame? Is this a joke?

Hypothetical. If grabbing a 12th team for Olympic sports is desirable (to balance out Navy's football only status), would the AAC be better off to add Wichita St. or BYU as an Olympic sports member?

(12-12-2015 01:38 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 01:33 PM)vodka Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 12:41 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 12:03 PM)don41 Wrote:  

(12-11-2015 02:27 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  "A natural fit" ?

What bowl is their football team playing in?

Part of Wichita's appeal to the AAC is the fact they do not have a football team and thus compensate for Navy's "football only" participation in the AAC.

If the AAC is truly considering Wichita St. as an Olympic sports member, wouldn't BYU also be a candidate for Olympic sports only?

While Wichita St. can likely establish a better recent on-court men's basketball resume, BYU likely can show better attendance, better facilities, and better overall Olympic sports program (soccer, volleyball, baseball, as well as men's and women's basketball).

Also, the AAC could immediately affiliate with BYU football for scheduling and improved bowl scenario; whereas, Wichita St. is deciding whether it should have an FBS program.

You want the AAC to give BYU the same treatment The Big East gave and the AAC is giving Notre Dame? Is this a joke?

Hypothetical. If grabbing a 12th team for Olympic sports is desirable (to balance out Navy's football only status), would the AAC be better off to add Wichita St. or BYU as an Olympic sports member?

I don't want Wichita St but I'd pick them over BYU. BYU wants preferential treatment and I am not with that as a UConn fan we had to deal with ND and BYU is not ND.
ND would screw with pecking order of the bowls, a mediocre ND team would steal the bowl from the number 2 Big East team and so on.... no I'll pass.

I'm looking at the Notre Dame bowl and they're attached to almost every ACC bowl like they were in the old Big East. Wait until they start stealing bowl games from the ACC teams that have better records we'll see how they feel

(12-12-2015 10:02 AM)Mestophalies Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 09:57 AM)Bull Wrote:  My understanding is that the TV deal can be renegotiated any time, if both sides want to... This is generally referred to the 'look in' period, where our value may have increased, and it may be in ESPN interests to lock us into a longer term deal. Both sides can benefit. Does not have to happen, but frequently does. I fully expect us to have a new TV deal before the current deal expires. Aresco was very smart to sign a short term deal with huge exposure, since it apparently had to be low $$$ for our brand new, at-risk, unstable conference.

The bigger question is... does ESPN want to help us (suggesting any additional schools that add value, help with bowls, more TV $$$)? Or does ESPN want to destroy us (again) to eliminate competition with the P5?

1, There is no look-in period in our contract.

2, ESPN wants to keep us for the cheapest price possible. The only way they pay top dollar for us is to keep us from a competitor.

3, The only way for us to truly benefit is for us to show expanded market presence in the south and southeast where Fox wants to expand. That region isn't covered by the Big 12.

At least that's my understanding.

I pretty much agree with you in principal... but on the look in, it's been widely discussed on other threads and even Aresco had talked about it. I don't know the details, it may not be a firm contract item, but maybe a 'desire' to renegotiate early. I guess we will see. If we really do grow in value, as this great year had moved us forward, it would be in ESPN interest to lock us in further.

(12-12-2015 12:39 PM)T-Town Cane Wrote:  I think we all know it is football and market size that drives conference realignment.... Wichita St. has neither of these. I like Wichita St. and I hope Tulsa keeps our home and home series going with them in basketball, but they don't belong in the AAC as a full member. If we are talking basketball only, then they are worthy of consideration.

There is an advantage to adding WSU from a TU prespective and it is that we'd have two games with them each year and a guaranteed home contest every year. But so would SMU, Memphis, Houston and Tulane - all within easy travel destinations. WSU sells out every game and is expanding their home arena (KOCH) which already seats 10,500 with more suites. They even played Utah yesterday in the downtown arena (Intrust Bank Arena) and sold it out at 15,000. We don't have many MBB venues in the western AAC that hold 15,000 and happens to be a backup and would be sold out for any game played there. Fact is that if you are talking MBB, WSU is almost impossible to top if we are serious about expansion. BTW it looks like they'll now acrue more NCAA credits - again.

For baseball, they would be the only program that has actually won the national championship in that sport (1989) in the AAC and probably would have the best facility in the conference (Eck Stadium) 7,800 seats with luxury boxes and an indoor training facility. Their womens programs are very strong including WBB and even volleyball.

And one last thing is the Koch Brothers are worth - $100 billion dollars. They will have the money to do pretty much what they want.

If the AAC really wants to be a power player, they need to balance the league. WSU does that.

BTW, Wichita's TV market isn't that small. Its similar to Tulsa's. Its the largest city in their state.

(12-12-2015 12:41 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 12:03 PM)don41 Wrote:  

(12-11-2015 02:27 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  "A natural fit" ?

What bowl is their football team playing in?

Part of Wichita's appeal to the AAC is the fact they do not have a football team and thus compensate for Navy's "football only" participation in the AAC.

If the AAC is truly considering Wichita St. as an Olympic sports member, wouldn't BYU also be a candidate for Olympic sports only?

While Wichita St. can likely establish a better recent on-court men's basketball resume, BYU likely can show better attendance, better facilities, and better overall Olympic sports program (soccer, volleyball, baseball, as well as men's and women's basketball).

Also, the AAC could immediately affiliate with BYU football for scheduling and improved bowl scenario; whereas, Wichita St. is deciding whether it should have an FBS program.

I'd be fine with that, if the BYU olympic membership was connected to a 4 game AAC scheduling agreement for football. We could have the 2 games late in the season that would aid BYU in with the late season scheduling issues. Win-Win.

(12-12-2015 12:39 PM)T-Town Cane Wrote:  I think we all know it is football and market size that drives conference realignment.... Wichita St. has neither of these. I like Wichita St. and I hope Tulsa keeps our home and home series going with them in basketball, but they don't belong in the AAC as a full member. If we are talking basketball only, then they are worthy of consideration.

There is an advantage to adding WSU from a TU prespective and it is that we'd have two games with them each year and a guaranteed home contest every year. But so would SMU, Memphis, Houston and Tulane - all within easy travel destinations. WSU sells out every game and is expanding their home arena (KOCH) which already seats 10,500 with more suites. They even played Utah yesterday in the downtown arena (Intrust Bank Arena) and sold it out at 15,000. We don't have many MBB venues in the western AAC that hold 15,000 and happens to be a backup and would be sold out for any game played there. Fact is that if you are talking MBB, WSU is almost impossible to top if we are serious about expansion. BTW it looks like they'll now acrue more NCAA credits - again.

For baseball, they would be the only program that has actually won the national championship in that sport (1989) in the AAC and probably would have the best facility in the conference (Eck Stadium) 7,800 seats with luxury boxes and an indoor training facility. Their womens programs are very strong including WBB and even volleyball.

And one last thing is the Koch Brothers are worth - $100 billion dollars. They will have the money to do pretty much what they want.

If the AAC really wants to be a power player, they need to balance the league. WSU does that.

BTW, Wichita's TV market isn't that small. Its similar to Tulsa's. Its the largest city in their state.

(12-13-2015 01:05 PM)rabidTU2 Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 12:39 PM)T-Town Cane Wrote:  I think we all know it is football and market size that drives conference realignment.... Wichita St. has neither of these. I like Wichita St. and I hope Tulsa keeps our home and home series going with them in basketball, but they don't belong in the AAC as a full member. If we are talking basketball only, then they are worthy of consideration.

There is an advantage to adding WSU from a TU prespective and it is that we'd have two games with them each year and a guaranteed home contest every year. But so would SMU, Memphis, Houston and Tulane - all within easy travel destinations. WSU sells out every game and is expanding their home arena (KOCH) which already seats 10,500 with more suites. They even played Utah yesterday in the downtown arena (Intrust Bank Arena) and sold it out at 15,000. We don't have many MBB venues in the western AAC that hold 15,000 and happens to be a backup and would be sold out for any game played there. Fact is that if you are talking MBB, WSU is almost impossible to top if we are serious about expansion. BTW it looks like they'll now acrue more NCAA credits - again.

For baseball, they would be the only program that has actually won the national championship in that sport (1989) in the AAC and probably would have the best facility in the conference (Eck Stadium) 7,800 seats with luxury boxes and an indoor training facility. Their womens programs are very strong including WBB and even volleyball.

And one last thing is the Koch Brothers are worth - $100 billion dollars. They will have the money to do pretty much what they want.

If the AAC really wants to be a power player, they need to balance the league. WSU does that.

BTW, Wichita's TV market isn't that small. Its similar to Tulsa's. Its the largest city in their state.

I'd prefer to add Wichita today with no football. They are fine as is. They would be a fantastic addition in my opinion. I would make it clear that it is an Olympic only invite---no start up football programs in the AAC.

Theyd be a flood addition. Great basketball, baseball and make a good travel partner for Tulsa.

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(12-13-2015 01:05 PM)rabidTU2 Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 12:39 PM)T-Town Cane Wrote:  I think we all know it is football and market size that drives conference realignment.... Wichita St. has neither of these. I like Wichita St. and I hope Tulsa keeps our home and home series going with them in basketball, but they don't belong in the AAC as a full member. If we are talking basketball only, then they are worthy of consideration.

There is an advantage to adding WSU from a TU prespective and it is that we'd have two games with them each year and a guaranteed home contest every year. But so would SMU, Memphis, Houston and Tulane - all within easy travel destinations. WSU sells out every game and is expanding their home arena (KOCH) which already seats 10,500 with more suites. They even played Utah yesterday in the downtown arena (Intrust Bank Arena) and sold it out at 15,000. We don't have many MBB venues in the western AAC that hold 15,000 and happens to be a backup and would be sold out for any game played there. Fact is that if you are talking MBB, WSU is almost impossible to top if we are serious about expansion. BTW it looks like they'll now acrue more NCAA credits - again.

For baseball, they would be the only program that has actually won the national championship in that sport (1989) in the AAC and probably would have the best facility in the conference (Eck Stadium) 7,800 seats with luxury boxes and an indoor training facility. Their womens programs are very strong including WBB and even volleyball.

And one last thing is the Koch Brothers are worth - $100 billion dollars. They will have the money to do pretty much what they want.

If the AAC really wants to be a power player, they need to balance the league. WSU does that.

BTW, Wichita's TV market isn't that small. Its similar to Tulsa's. Its the largest city in their state.

All of this. From an overall program and travel perspective they're the best add put there.

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If Wichita wants a conference upgrade, they should start by upgrading that ugly a** mascot. No one wants to hang that banner in their gym.

(12-13-2015 01:30 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 01:05 PM)rabidTU2 Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 12:39 PM)T-Town Cane Wrote:  I think we all know it is football and market size that drives conference realignment.... Wichita St. has neither of these. I like Wichita St. and I hope Tulsa keeps our home and home series going with them in basketball, but they don't belong in the AAC as a full member. If we are talking basketball only, then they are worthy of consideration.

There is an advantage to adding WSU from a TU prespective and it is that we'd have two games with them each year and a guaranteed home contest every year. But so would SMU, Memphis, Houston and Tulane - all within easy travel destinations. WSU sells out every game and is expanding their home arena (KOCH) which already seats 10,500 with more suites. They even played Utah yesterday in the downtown arena (Intrust Bank Arena) and sold it out at 15,000. We don't have many MBB venues in the western AAC that hold 15,000 and happens to be a backup and would be sold out for any game played there. Fact is that if you are talking MBB, WSU is almost impossible to top if we are serious about expansion. BTW it looks like they'll now acrue more NCAA credits - again.

For baseball, they would be the only program that has actually won the national championship in that sport (1989) in the AAC and probably would have the best facility in the conference (Eck Stadium) 7,800 seats with luxury boxes and an indoor training facility. Their womens programs are very strong including WBB and even volleyball.

And one last thing is the Koch Brothers are worth - $100 billion dollars. They will have the money to do pretty much what they want.

If the AAC really wants to be a power player, they need to balance the league. WSU does that.

BTW, Wichita's TV market isn't that small. Its similar to Tulsa's. Its the largest city in their state.

All of this. From an overall program and travel perspective they're the best add put there.

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Honestly, they should have already been added. They bump up the leagues quality, they increase its value, they make us a better more watchable basketball league---and they cost us very little to add. Bottom line---is it worth less than $50K a team to play in a better basketball league (and that $50K cost doesn't even consider any NCAA credit income they likely earn to offset their cost)? To me its a no brainer.

(12-11-2015 08:01 PM)Bear Wrote:  Wichita State? Nope. We're good.


Marshall, BYU/Boise St...


Now we're talking

No, just no.

(12-11-2015 02:25 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  IMHO now would be the absolute WORST time to add them. They're having an injury plagued season in what was supposed to be the last hurrah for the players on the magical tournament team of 4 years ago, and no one knows if Marshall will stick around (or even have continued success if he does)

I'm for adding them if they can prove a continued propensity of success, which means waiting a year or two.

Too narrow of a view if you are trying to base this on their current team. They have the support and resources and foundational things behind their program. I think they average like 10k fans a game and are top 40 spending or something. I don't remember the specifics but they are legit as a basketball program.

(12-12-2015 10:23 AM)Mestophalies Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 10:17 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  We are a power conference in hoops. We need to just increase the strength and add markets and benefit from the added ncaa credits and exposure. Football side we have an uphill battle. Our football teams in general do not have mass appeal to a network but at least tweener level. Football is political too and a country club. We need army and Air Force for political clout and add 3 hoops teams like vcu, Wichita State, and St Louis. Then we have tons of markets on our next negotiations with the networks and tons on inventory. Then if the p5 wants to break away good luck with us having true American teams.

This is filled with so much fail.

1, Army isn't joining any conference let alone the AAC.

2, Air Force may or may not want to join but only on their terms. That isn't happening because whom they would bring along add little value.

3, Adding partial members to a conference is always a bad thing. See old Big East for details.

I just can't believe the posts here lately.

lol, the USF fans are coming out of hiding I see...I guess an 8 win season will do that.

If we need 2: Air Force and BYU.
If we need 4: Air Force, BYU, Colorado State, UNLV/UNM.

(12-13-2015 01:15 PM)rabidTU2 Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 12:39 PM)T-Town Cane Wrote:  I think we all know it is football and market size that drives conference realignment.... Wichita St. has neither of these. I like Wichita St. and I hope Tulsa keeps our home and home series going with them in basketball, but they don't belong in the AAC as a full member. If we are talking basketball only, then they are worthy of consideration.

There is an advantage to adding WSU from a TU prespective and it is that we'd have two games with them each year and a guaranteed home contest every year. But so would SMU, Memphis, Houston and Tulane - all within easy travel destinations. WSU sells out every game and is expanding their home arena (KOCH) which already seats 10,500 with more suites. They even played Utah yesterday in the downtown arena (Intrust Bank Arena) and sold it out at 15,000. We don't have many MBB venues in the western AAC that hold 15,000 and happens to be a backup and would be sold out for any game played there. Fact is that if you are talking MBB, WSU is almost impossible to top if we are serious about expansion. BTW it looks like they'll now acrue more NCAA credits - again.

For baseball, they would be the only program that has actually won the national championship in that sport (1989) in the AAC and probably would have the best facility in the conference (Eck Stadium) 7,800 seats with luxury boxes and an indoor training facility. Their womens programs are very strong including WBB and even volleyball.

And one last thing is the Koch Brothers are worth - $100 billion dollars. They will have the money to do pretty much what they want.

If the AAC really wants to be a power player, they need to balance the league. WSU does that.

BTW, Wichita's TV market isn't that small. Its similar to Tulsa's. Its the largest city in their state.

I agree with what you said in regards to basketball. I definitely think they are worthy of consideration as a member in every sport but football. The metro area of Wichita is about 640,000 and Tulsa's is about 1,000,000, so they would have the smallest market in the AAC by quite a bit.