IMO it depends on whether another network wants sports to televise. Without competition to ESPN, the money won't be much better.

(11-28-2015 11:29 AM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 11:27 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 09:56 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  In YEAR THREE of a brand new conference brand, what did you expect?

The autonomous 5 have the advantage of decades together.

For the AAC to be coming along at this rate is nothing short of impressive.

It's not a brand new conference though... the only reason the AAC has the deal it has and the better seat at the table is because it is a continuation of the Big East Conference staff and existing negotiations.

False. NBC thought we were worth this type of coverage and ESPN simply thought that this type of coverage was worth matching. You just come across a sour Marshall fan.

Wrong, it was the EXISTING Big East Contract that allowed the ESPN match and it was NBC's initial offer in the fall of 12 PRIOR to the C-7 departures that set the pace for negotiations and the ESPN match.

(11-28-2015 07:07 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 11:29 AM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 11:27 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 09:56 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  In YEAR THREE of a brand new conference brand, what did you expect?

The autonomous 5 have the advantage of decades together.

For the AAC to be coming along at this rate is nothing short of impressive.

It's not a brand new conference though... the only reason the AAC has the deal it has and the better seat at the table is because it is a continuation of the Big East Conference staff and existing negotiations.

False. NBC thought we were worth this type of coverage and ESPN simply thought that this type of coverage was worth matching. You just come across a sour Marshall fan.

Wrong, it was the EXISTING Big East Contract that allowed the ESPN match and it was NBC's initial offer in the fall of 12 PRIOR to the C-7 departures that set the pace for negotiations and the ESPN match.

False

"The conference they are leaving agreed to a contract with ESPN that runs through 2019-20 and financial terms were not released, although ESPN.com reports the overall value is $126 million. The original agreement was for $130 million, but the value decreased after the basketball schools left."

http://articles.courant.com/2013-03-19/s...rke-magnus

The contract was negotiated after the C7 left.

Also this clause in the TV deal mentions nothing of the C7

"The deal was negotiated by NBC Sports, but matched by ESPN as the existing rights holder. ESPN.com reports that the deal can be terminated if two schools from a group made up of UConn, Cincinnati, Temple and Houston leave or if one of those schools and any other member leave."

Doesn't that first paragraph say exactly what my point was? The American is not a new conference and that negotiatons started before the C-7 left; while the conference was still known as the Big East and that ESPN had matching offer rights under the previous Big East Contract?

The reality is the American is the same conference formed as the Big East in 1979 and maintains the same operations in Providence.

(11-28-2015 08:14 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  Doesn't that first paragraph say exactly what my point was? The American is not a new conference and that negotiatons started before the C-7 left; while the conference was still known as the Big East and that ESPN had matching offer rights under the previous Big East Contract?

The reality is the American is the same conference formed as the Big East in 1979 and maintains the same operations in Providence.

Nope. In fact it says the opposite.

(11-28-2015 08:32 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 08:14 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  Doesn't that first paragraph say exactly what my point was? The American is not a new conference and that negotiatons started before the C-7 left; while the conference was still known as the Big East and that ESPN had matching offer rights under the previous Big East Contract?

The reality is the American is the same conference formed as the Big East in 1979 and maintains the same operations in Providence.

Nope. In fact it says the opposite.

Wrong... that quote is in the context of the C-7 schools...

"The Conference they are leaving" is in reference to the C-7 schools, remember, the Big East Conference was selling/trading the name to the C-7 schools in favor of leaving the remaining money and exit fees with the remaining football schools and the new invitees to the conference. The new television contract was signed in March of 2013 when the conference was still doing business as the Big East, but a new name had not been picked - they announced that during the NCAA tournament, first week of April and it didn't take effect until July 1st, when the C-7 schools left.

I've been following this conference since I was a kid in the 80's - I watched the start of football, the loss of schools, the gain of new ones, the loss of more, and then the C-7 split and rename.

The American Conference's own webpage says it was previously called the Big East... "Under the leadership of commissioner Mike Aresco, The American, which operated as the Big East Conference from 1979 to 2013..."

To remind us further, that the American is NOT a new conference, and that it was the Big East... the first season of football under the American brand in 2013 was actually covered by the final year of the Big East television contract...

As mentioned by the American Conference's TV Info media page of its website, "Nearly 90 percent of the games will be carried on national broadcast or national cable. The minimum number of telecasts collectively on ABC/ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU will be higher than the number of telecasts in the former contract, which expires at the end of the 2013 season."

Mike Aresco was brought in as commissioner of the Big East in the summer of 2012, because he was a TV executive with CBS and with the hopes of securing a good television contract for the conference... to say the basis of the current contract has no basis on the fact that it use to be the Big East is ridiculous. The American inherited the whole structure and operation of what was the Big East until July 2013, including the people who put the contract offer together with NBC and the matching signed final contract with ESPN.

Fellas, fellas, fellas....can't we just all agree the contract totally sucks and we are paid peanuts and call it good?

(11-28-2015 08:14 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  Doesn't that first paragraph say exactly what my point was? The American is not a new conference and that negotiatons started before the C-7 left; while the conference was still known as the Big East and that ESPN had matching offer rights under the previous Big East Contract?

The reality is the American is the samNeoe conference formed as the Big East in 1979 and maintains the same operations in Providence.

The AAC is the same corporate structure as the old Gavitt/Tranghese/MArinatto Big East--True.

The ESPN match, for better or for worse, was an inheritance of the old Big EAst--true.

NEgotiations for the contract started before the Big EAst basketball schools left--mostly not true.

As far as anyone outside Aresco's and the networks' offices can tell, negotiations were going nowhere in the fall of 2012, which is part of the reason that hte Big East basketball schools left. (There were strong reasons to leave, I think everyone is better off with the divorce, certainly almost everyone is happier. But if there was an ESPN or NBC contract in negotiations that would have paid say $40M a year for basketball, it would have been much harder decision to leave.)

"But the contract provided for a reduction in payments whwn the C7 left?" When the contract was negotiated, the C7 had made our declaration that we were leaving, but the decision of 2013 vs 2014 had not been made. The contract provision was for the 2013-14 basketball contract only. (The 2013 football season was still under the old contract--they ran for different time periods).

Keep winning Access Bowls, guys!

Bottom line is great coverage, lousy $$$

hopefully in 2 to 5 years it will be great coverage and much MORE lousy $$$$

(11-28-2015 11:20 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 10:08 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(11-27-2015 06:16 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Similar deals with 6 to 8 mil per team would be great, will it happen... doubt it.

I doubt we get 6-8 mill in next deal but I think 5 mill is possible. The league has shown to be the best of the G5 and should be paid as that

BYU getting $8m per year, is that correct? No reason why the AAC can't get the same.

Nobody knows the exact amount since it wasnt released but it was stated that the average for each game was $800K-$1 million per game. With 6 home games it puts the number closer to $6 million.

Add in that the AAC makes much more money on NCAA credits then their current conference and the income difference drops by about another million. The gap between BYU and the AAC is closer to only $2 million.

I have always found it interesting that ESPN structured the AAC, MWC and BYU to all end in 2019. I can see them saving some money by moving some pieces to make 1 conferences out of the best parts and letting the rest go.

(11-28-2015 07:07 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 11:29 AM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 11:27 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 09:56 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  In YEAR THREE of a brand new conference brand, what did you expect?

The autonomous 5 have the advantage of decades together.

For the AAC to be coming along at this rate is nothing short of impressive.

It's not a brand new conference though... the only reason the AAC has the deal it has and the better seat at the table is because it is a continuation of the Big East Conference staff and existing negotiations.

False. NBC thought we were worth this type of coverage and ESPN simply thought that this type of coverage was worth matching. You just come across a sour Marshall fan.

Wrong, it was the EXISTING Big East Contract that allowed the ESPN match and it was NBC's initial offer in the fall of 12 PRIOR to the C-7 departures that set the pace for negotiations and the ESPN match.

ICe, I think you are one of the better posters on these boards, in this case I disagree with you. Once the teams in the Big East started to leave all bets were off for this new conference. ESPN could have simply walked away and said no the new conference. They didn't and tool a gamble in terms of air time, not money.

We have lousy dollars, no doubt. However, I think a conference that has in any given year strong, nationally competitive teams in cities like Philadelphia, Orlando, Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, Tampa, Dallas and New Orleans (and a potential national team like Navy) is good for drawing eyeballs. ESPN is likely very pleased with the audiences they have garnered for the limited outlays they have had to make to AAC schools. That doesn't mean I like this conference as UC's permanent home, however, and wouldn't welcome the unlikely extension of a Big 12 or ACC lifeline. When your closest conference "rival" is 350 miles away and there are teams that you are playing that you've never played in 125 years, it is a conference of "temporary convenience" and nothing more.

(11-28-2015 11:27 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 09:56 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  In YEAR THREE of a brand new conference brand, what did you expect?

The autonomous 5 have the advantage of decades together.

For the AAC to be coming along at this rate is nothing short of impressive.

It's not a brand new conference though... the only reason the AAC has the deal it has and the better seat at the table is because it is a continuation of the Big East Conference staff and existing negotiations.

Good Lord..IJ...he said brand new conference BRAND. The American is absolutely a new BRAND. And these schools have not ever been together. Just look at the fact that Navy v Houston was on ABC and now Houston v Temple will be on ABC. None of those schools were even in a conference together before...and they are the two biggest football games of the year in the American.

It will take some time to get used to these schools together under this moniker, which is exactly what the guy said in hoping that the conference payouts increase under the next TV deal.