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RE: WBB: UT vs. Harvard game thread
UT can't score and this one appears to be over as Harvard gets the rebound with 6 seconds left.

UT fouls and one free throw is good. Then the Rockets turn it over and apparently foul again.

UT loses 76-70.
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Saw that McIntyre didn't play. Wonder why?

Also, based off the first few games of Rasmussen's freshman year, I thought she'd be a major contributor by now. Wonder what happened.

Looks like the ladies will be under .500 this season. Cullop's going to have to get something out of this roster the next few years or perhaps it'd be time to look elsewhere...
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Final 76-70 Harvard

Toledo made a nice comeback run in the last 2 minutes after getting down 8 only to self destruct in final 10 seconds. Needing a 3 to tie with about 10 seconds left Rasmussen (who can't be shooting more than a career 25% on lay ups) missed a lay up!!! Harvard up 3---foul-- Harvard makes 1 of 2, up 4, miss second shot, Rasmussen loses the rebound out of bounds----foul, Harvard makes 2, up 6 and the final buzzer mercifully sounded before Toledo could foul them again.

Best effort of the year, but still not enough to avoid starting 0-4.
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(11-22-2015 04:47 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  Saw that McIntyre didn't play. Wonder why?

Also, based off the first few games of Rasmussen's freshman year, I thought she'd be a major contributor by now. Wonder what happened.

Looks like the ladies will be under .500 this season. Cullop's going to have to get something out of this roster the next few years or perhaps it'd be time to look elsewhere...

It appears early in the season this team seriously misses the leadership of Inma. There does not seem to be anyone who takes charge on the floor. Players who had big minutes last year have been very inconsistent in the first four games.
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Has Coach Cullop peaked here at Toledo?
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After two years of being average, it looks like average is about the best that we can hope for this year, and it could be worse. Given the way this program is supported and given Cullop's early success at UT, this turn of events is a very unpleasant surprise.
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Here's a link to the story on the UT site. Capotosto made the all-tournament team

Up next: at St. Bonaventure on Nov. 29th

http://www.utrockets.com/news/2015/11/22...ath=wbball
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(11-22-2015 06:01 PM)Dwight Wrote:  After two years of being average, it looks like average is about the best that we can hope for this year, and it could be worse. Given the way this program is supported and given Cullop's early success at UT, this turn of events is a very unpleasant surprise.

The attendance has held up remarkably well for the past two year, but another year or so of .500 or sub-.500 ball and I think it will start to recede. Given the advantages the Lady Rockets have by virtue of the strong attendance and support and facilities they should be head and shoulders above the MAC in terms of recruiting and team strength year in and year out---the program should be in a "reload" mode not in a "rebuilt" mode. The negative impact of the recruiting class of 2012 ("the class that never was") should be fading in the rear view mirror by now.

Actually so far in the still very young season the problem has not been in the new players that at this point appear to be a class with promise----so long they are able to develop and grow their skills----rather the problem has been the apparent lack of development and improvement among the returning players who saw floor time last year----with the very notable exception of Jada Woody who has really stepped up her game from last year, I can not think of a single returning player who game has improved since last year and a few come to mind whose game has actually regressed from last year's level.

At least they looked better today than they have previously so maybe things will start to come together, hopefully sooner rather that later---otherwise this could Coach Cullop's worst year w/r to W/L record as head coach here and that would definitely be a step backwards, not forward.
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(11-22-2015 06:59 PM)T-Town Wrote:  
(11-22-2015 06:01 PM)Dwight Wrote:  After two years of being average, it looks like average is about the best that we can hope for this year, and it could be worse. Given the way this program is supported and given Cullop's early success at UT, this turn of events is a very unpleasant surprise.

The attendance has held up remarkably well for the past two year, but another year or so of .500 or sub-.500 ball and I think it will start to recede. Given the advantages the Lady Rockets have by virtue of the strong attendance and support and facilities they should be head and shoulders above the MAC in terms of recruiting and team strength year in and year out---the program should be in a "reload" mode not in a "rebuilt" mode. The negative impact of the recruiting class of 2012 ("the class that never was") should be fading in the rear view mirror by now.

This +1

It astounds me how we haven't won a MAC Championship in what seems like a very, very long time. I was a little kid the last time we went dancing. Lady Rocket basketball receives a great deal of support especially for women's basketball, more than the majority of Division 1 schools. We deserve better.
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Unfortunately, Cullop has had more than 1 recruiting class that fell a bit short since we won the WNIT. Last years class has some players with promise, and I think a couple in this freshman class have MAC-level potential. But one does wonder if O'Brien would make a change in a couple more seasons if significant progress isn't shown.
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I'm very perplexed by this team's performance. Inma is a Rocket all-time great, but she had no one area where she dominated, as in being a 25 point a game player, or a double figure rebounder. All of her skills should have been picked up by other players- Reecher and Rasmussen rebounding more, B, Ana and Jay-Ann scoring more, B and Boyd bringing defensive pressure and ball handling and Ana, Sophie and B providing leadership. Really thought this team would be better than last year's because they WOULDN'T be relying so much on one player. I still think they'll gel but it's slipping away a bit.
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(11-22-2015 08:36 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  Unfortunately, Cullop has had more than 1 recruiting class that fell a bit short since we won the WNIT. Last years class has some players with promise, and I think a couple in this freshman class have MAC-level potential. But one does wonder if O'Brien would make a change in a couple more seasons if significant progress isn't shown.

It is hard to listen to this type of comment. This is the fourth game of the season and a schedule that is one of the strongest in the history of the lady rockets. I have followed them since the seventies, so I can make the statement with confidence. I can tell that comments on this site have come from people who love the Lady Rockets. Maybe it is time to look at the level of competition we have played in contrast to the cup cake schedule the men are playing. Has anyone noticed that all players are playing right now. I am sure I don't have to explain the reason for that. Our coach has nothing to prove to anyone. She has proven herself as a coach from the first time she sat on our bench. It is funny that people with no experience coaching make the most negative comments.
The bottom line is we are lucky to have a coach who isn't worried about her win and loss record. She is more concerned with providing the opportunity for young players to gain experience that will make them successful as the season moves on. My question is, is it better to play a soft schedule with a young team or play a tougher schedule, letting younger players gain experience against higher rated teams, providing them the opportunity to grow with each game. As an ex coach, I prefer the later.
Time to support the team and a coach, who everyone praised and hoped wouldn't accept a coaching job somewhere else. I am glad the team doesn't listen to the negativism that some put in writing on here.
I respect everyone's opinion and understand it is from those who love their Rockets. However it is too early to be so negative. It is ironic, the same people making negative comments were making the same comments about our football team and coaches. No one can know what the future holds. Time to trust in the coaches and players to be as good as their loyal fans expect them to be.

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(11-23-2015 12:38 AM)hwut1 Wrote:  
(11-22-2015 08:36 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  Unfortunately, Cullop has had more than 1 recruiting class that fell a bit short since we won the WNIT. Last years class has some players with promise, and I think a couple in this freshman class have MAC-level potential. But one does wonder if O'Brien would make a change in a couple more seasons if significant progress isn't shown.

It is hard to listen to this type of comment. This is the fourth game of the season and a schedule that is one of the strongest in the history of the lady rockets. I have followed them since the seventies, so I can make the statement with confidence. I can tell that comments on this site have come from people who love the Lady Rockets. Maybe it is time to look at the level of competition we have played in contrast to the cup cake schedule the men are playing. Has anyone noticed that all players are playing right now. I am sure I don't have to explain the reason for that. Our coach has nothing to prove to anyone. She has proven herself as a coach from the first time she sat on our bench. It is funny that people with no experience coaching make the most negative comments.
The bottom line is we are lucky to have a coach who isn't worried about her win and loss record. She is more concerned with providing the opportunity for young players to gain experience that will make them successful as the season moves on. My question is, is it better to play a soft schedule with a young team or play a tougher schedule, letting younger players gain experience against higher rated teams, providing them the opportunity to grow with each game. As an ex coach, I prefer the later.
Time to support the team and a coach, who everyone praised and hoped wouldn't accept a coaching job somewhere else. I am glad the team doesn't listen to the negativism that some put in writing on here.
I respect everyone's opinion and understand it is from those who love their Rockets. However it is too early to be so negative. It is ironic, the same people making negative comments were making the same comments about our football team and coaches. No one can know what the future holds. Time to trust in the coaches and players to be as good as their loyal fans expect them to be.

GO BLUE!!!

I'm just curious: how do you know whether posters who are "negative" have no coaching experience? Bcunn's comments aren't negative in my opinion, we had an entire class wipe out two years ago. That's a fact. We can't shoot (yet) and that may be negative for the team, but posting that opinion isn't negative. It is supported by the stats, not to mention the eyeball test. Are there positives? Sure. Is the schedule tough? ND was tough, not sure the other games weren't winnable. I support Coach C 100%. I'm at every home game. I love Rocket hoops. But this emphasis on always reporting silver linings while ignoring clouds isn't realistic.
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It's not early to be negative. I love Cullop as much as anyone but some of you on this board have put a force field around her to where she can do no wrong. As great as the WNIT title was, it wasn't the title every Div 1 athlete aspires to win. In truth, she hasn't accomplished much here during her tenure. WNIT appearances are fine because the conference is a one bid league but this program's history isn't defined by the WNIT. At some point, Cullop is going to have to put a team into the NCAA tournament and go back there again over several seasons if she wants to be considered one of the best coaches here at Toledo. If this program isn't in place to make a serious run into the NCAAs by the time McIntyre, Printz, and Boyd are juniors, I'm going to be calling for a coaching change. I don't want her to leave but this program has too much appeal and history to not be the premier program in the conference
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Thank you both for responding to my posting. It obvious you true Rocket fans. All of us are part of the reason Rocket Nation is one of the best in college athletics.
Your responses included some positive and some negative comments. I don't believe a "silver lining" outlook either. However I am more of a positive outlook person.
We have lost four games in a row, that is a negative that is obvious to everyone. Do I think we could have won most of those games..absolutely!
Every game, win or lose, has positives and negatives within that game. That is why coaches spend so much time looking over videos of each game. I have been to some practices and observed how thoroughly the coaches break down videos. Nothing, good or bad is left to chance.
Do I see negative things? All the time. There is never a perfect game played. Do I always agree with the moves the coaches make? No!
But I am not at practice everyday. I respect the coaches enough to understand there are good reasons for the things they do and the players they recruit. I believe the people who post on have the same outlook. We all choose to speak out in our own way.
A simple example of positives and negatives with a game. The negatives from Sundays game: we lost the game and had too many turn overs. The positives: we came back at the end of the game, our shooting improved tremendously (over 40% from the field and 8/18 three point shooting), we out rebounded them 39 to 34, and all the young players got game time experience. We all have "realistic" ways of seeing things. We all are loyal Rocket fans or there wouldn't be any of us posting on here. We have all suffered through bad times and enjoyed the special moments together. That has created a special bonding and Rocket Nation.
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(11-23-2015 10:11 AM)hwut1 Wrote:  Thank you both for responding to my posting. It obvious you true Rocket fans. All of us are part of the reason Rocket Nation is one of the best in college athletics.
Your responses included some positive and some negative comments. I don't believe a "silver lining" outlook either. However I am more of a positive outlook person.
We have lost four games in a row, that is a negative that is obvious to everyone. Do I think we could have won most of those games..absolutely!
Every game, win or lose, has positives and negatives within that game. That is why coaches spend so much time looking over videos of each game. I have been to some practices and observed how thoroughly the coaches break down videos. Nothing, good or bad is left to chance.
Do I see negative things? All the time. There is never a perfect game played. Do I always agree with the moves the coaches make? No!
But I am not at practice everyday. I respect the coaches enough to understand there are good reasons for the things they do and the players they recruit. I believe the people who post on have the same outlook. We all choose to speak out in our own way.
A simple example of positives and negatives with a game. The negatives from Sundays game: we lost the game and had too many turn overs. The positives: we came back at the end of the game, our shooting improved tremendously (over 40% from the field and 8/18 three point shooting), we out rebounded them 39 to 34, and all the young players got game time experience. We all have "realistic" ways of seeing things. We all are loyal Rocket fans or there wouldn't be any of us posting on here. We have all suffered through bad times and enjoyed the special moments together. That has created a special bonding and Rocket Nation.

I suspect we'll right the ship about mid-season after we shake out who plays what role. The freshmen will contribute more and more and I think Kayla will be a big time player, maybe even this year. But I felt we'd be further along by now.
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(11-23-2015 10:39 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  
(11-23-2015 10:11 AM)hwut1 Wrote:  Thank you both for responding to my posting. It obvious you true Rocket fans. All of us are part of the reason Rocket Nation is one of the best in college athletics.
Your responses included some positive and some negative comments. I don't believe a "silver lining" outlook either. However I am more of a positive outlook person.
We have lost four games in a row, that is a negative that is obvious to everyone. Do I think we could have won most of those games..absolutely!
Every game, win or lose, has positives and negatives within that game. That is why coaches spend so much time looking over videos of each game. I have been to some practices and observed how thoroughly the coaches break down videos. Nothing, good or bad is left to chance.
Do I see negative things? All the time. There is never a perfect game played. Do I always agree with the moves the coaches make? No!
But I am not at practice everyday. I respect the coaches enough to understand there are good reasons for the things they do and the players they recruit. I believe the people who post on have the same outlook. We all choose to speak out in our own way.
A simple example of positives and negatives with a game. The negatives from Sundays game: we lost the game and had too many turn overs. The positives: we came back at the end of the game, our shooting improved tremendously (over 40% from the field and 8/18 three point shooting), we out rebounded them 39 to 34, and all the young players got game time experience. We all have "realistic" ways of seeing things. We all are loyal Rocket fans or there wouldn't be any of us posting on here. We have all suffered through bad times and enjoyed the special moments together. That has created a special bonding and Rocket Nation.

I suspect we'll right the ship about mid-season after we shake out who plays what role. The freshmen will contribute more and more and I think Kayla will be a big time player, maybe even this year. But I felt we'd be further along by now.

I whole heartedly agree with you!
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I'm in training today so had to wait until lunch to add my extra 2 cents (I'm the trainer, so I thought I'd better focus on the class and not text to this board--set a good example, right?

I certainly intended no disrespect to Cullop or members of the team. There is no question that the Lady Rockets enjoy a consistent level of support--including financial--which is incomparable with any other athletic program at UT. I mean, when you see 80% of those fans leave after that game instead of sticking around for the men's game, that is a pretty clear measure of their focus--and I'm sure that hasn't gone unnoticed by O'Brien.

It makes it that much tougher to objectively define if the program is going in the "right" direction or not. When coach is not simply respected but beloved...when the players become almost extensions of "family"...in my own opinion, the question is will we soon look like a MAC challenger? I do think we have some building pieces in place between last year's freshmen, this current class of freshmen, and Beacham for certain in next year's class. I would prefer to see us developing more than 1 player from each class into a MAC-level contributor, something which seemed to allude us for a couple classes. The next couple seasons could be key ones for the program. As for this season, I don't envision an "0-fer" by any stretch, and in fact think that McIntyre and Printz will both make valuable contributions come conference play. That would be a very good sign.
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At the end of the day I think most everyone likes coach cullop. At the core of the argument against her goes back to the poster who said that following the wnit, this team should be reloading each year vs rebuilding. We had momentum, we have the best fans, great facilities. We have lost parts of and whole classes following the wnit. Not sure some of the recruits she brought in or have stayed are legit D1 players? The table is set for the women to have made multiple runs at the mac championship or ncaa bids since the wnit, but alas no. The same could be said for football as well, slap head. Men's bball get a little bit of a pass given how low they were, but we got a taste the last few years and now we are rebuilding and IMO are 2 years away from being in serious contention for MAC championship talk again. The lady rockets should be loaded by now and just rolling.
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(11-22-2015 07:51 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  It astounds me how we haven't won a MAC Championship in what seems like a very, very long time. I was a little kid the last time we went dancing. Lady Rocket basketball receives a great deal of support especially for women's basketball, more than the majority of Division 1 schools. We deserve better.

For an eleven year interval starting in 1991 and ending in 2001, the Lady Rockets went to the NCAA Tournament SEVEN (7) times but they have not been since. During that period there were only FOUR years that they did not go! Of course their current 14 year absence pales in comparison to the 35 year absence since the men made their last appearance but that still does not excuse such a long absence----not for a team that claims to be a top level MAC program.

The Lady Rockets are apparently in their 3 consecutive year of rebuilding and if that continues for another year, then that senior class will have spent all four years of their eligibility in a rebuilding effort presumably without ever having tasted the fruits of a fully rebuilt team capable of realistically competing for a conference tournament championship (i.e., the real championship).

Some members of the incoming classes of the past 3 years have shown potential---Jada Woody is showing early promise this year, but that is the exception, not the rule----So where is all this player development that the Kool Aid Crowd was lecturing me about back in 2012/2013 when I had the audacity to point out the self evident fact that no freshman (from the recruiting class of 2012) was seeing any significant floor time and that did not bode well for the future. Other than Jay-Ann, who had a very strong freshman year, none have yet stepped up to consistently contributing across the board at a high level and even Jay-Ann got off to rocky start this year although she seems to have gotten her shooting back on track a bit against Harvard.
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