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Re: So, that vote on whether to extend NMSU and Idaho
I still don't understand why we don't invite NMSU for all sports.

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RE: So, that vote on whether to extend NMSU and Idaho
We need another worthy basketball program that doesn't have football.
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RE: So, that vote on whether to extend NMSU and Idaho
(11-22-2015 10:51 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  We need another worthy basketball program that doesn't have football.

Before this year, I would have said NMSU fits the bill . . . .

. . . . But now they've gone and gotten themselves a football team . . .
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RE: So, that vote on whether to extend NMSU and Idaho
Thinking we won't need a damned thing. We got 12 schools for basketball when Coastal comes aboard, and ten for football. Im down with that. Lets improve the products instead of more dilution.

Granted we suck as a football program this year and have diluted the SBC greatly. Still no need to add another school.
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RE: So, that vote on whether to extend NMSU and Idaho
(11-22-2015 10:53 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  
(11-22-2015 10:51 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  We need another worthy basketball program that doesn't have football.

Before this year, I would have said NMSU fits the bill . . . .

. . . . But now they've gone and gotten themselves a football team . . .

You may be confused. I mean we would need another basketball program along with NMSU to get to 14 basketball schools for their all sport addition to make sense.
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RE: So, that vote on whether to extend NMSU and Idaho
(11-22-2015 08:00 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(11-22-2015 05:49 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  This tells me that the SBC is waiting to see what the NCAA will do into regards of how many a conference needs for a conference championship game. I see it as follows: If the required number stays at 12 NMSU and Idaho get extended. If it goes to 10, NMSU and Idaho are gone.

Regardless of what the SBC decides NMSU will be looking to move its Oly sports into another conference. The WAC was not pleased with NMSU being considered for SBC membership.

I think the WAC is thrilled to have you in the league. They are desperately trying to find D1 Western schools to join and they really need NMSU. They have to hope that you guys stay as long as you can. You guys are the Big Dog in the WAC and they need you for survival.
Yeah we are the big dog, this what we did in 2015:

In MBB/WBB NMSU went 13-1 in conference, Regular season champions and winning the WAC tourney in both. Men's & Women's Golf WAC Tourney Champions, Men's Tennis Regular and Tourney Champions, Women's Tennis Tourney Champions, Softball Regular and Tourney Champions (14-1 in the WAC). With all those won NMSU won the WAC commissioners cup. This season Volleyball won WAC Regular & Tourney, while going 14-0 in the WAC.

The level of competition in the WAC hurts NMSU RPI wise. Our MBB use to have an RPI of 54 going into the first season of oly Sports only WAC. NMSU ended last season at 107. NMSU is now seeded lower in NCAA Tournaments.

The competition in the WAC is not developing. For some of the schools when they have good athletes that are developing well, they tend to transfer to other schools that are in better conferences.

Were the big dog of a bad conference. NMSU offered the SBC travel subsidies. To get out of the WAC we will offer other conferences too.
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RE: So, that vote on whether to extend NMSU and Idaho
CP. Of course the WAC would not be pleased about losing NMSU to the Sun Belt. That goes without saying. However, I spoke with commissioner Hurd in Vegas at the WAC BB tourney and he told me face to face the last thing they want to see is NMSU leaving the WAC. I wonder if Hurd, who is a BFF of Benson will work behind closed doors to keep NMSU in this ridiculous duel conference membership deal to keep the WAC alive. I know NMSU's Olympic sports would enhance greatly the Sun Belts. Las Cruces is right at the fringes of the Sun Belt footprint but it close enough. I bet if Boise State wanted to the join the Sun Belt everybody would be $hitting in their pants and no one would even care about geography. It's all politics and bull$hit. I'm hoping more schools in the Sun Belt jump on the bandwagon and let us back in as a full member soon.
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RE: So, that vote on whether to extend NMSU and Idaho
(11-25-2015 10:18 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  CP. Of course the WAC would not be pleased about losing NMSU to the Sun Belt. That goes without saying. However, I spoke with commissioner Hurd in Vegas at the WAC BB tourney and he told me face to face the last thing they want to see is NMSU leaving the WAC. I wonder if Hurd, who is a BFF of Benson will work behind closed doors to keep NMSU in this ridiculous duel conference membership deal to keep the WAC alive. I know NMSU's Olympic sports would enhance greatly the Sun Belts. Las Cruces is right at the fringes of the Sun Belt footprint but it close enough. I bet if Boise State wanted to the join the Sun Belt everybody would be $hitting in their pants and no one would even care about geography. It's all politics and bull$hit. I'm hoping more schools in the Sun Belt jump on the bandwagon and let us back in as a full member soon.

I would not put it past Benson at all to encourage not inviting NMSU in order to keep the WAC alive.
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RE: So, that vote on whether to extend NMSU and Idaho
(11-25-2015 11:35 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(11-25-2015 10:18 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  CP. Of course the WAC would not be pleased about losing NMSU to the Sun Belt. That goes without saying. However, I spoke with commissioner Hurd in Vegas at the WAC BB tourney and he told me face to face the last thing they want to see is NMSU leaving the WAC. I wonder if Hurd, who is a BFF of Benson will work behind closed doors to keep NMSU in this ridiculous duel conference membership deal to keep the WAC alive. I know NMSU's Olympic sports would enhance greatly the Sun Belts. Las Cruces is right at the fringes of the Sun Belt footprint but it close enough. I bet if Boise State wanted to the join the Sun Belt everybody would be $hitting in their pants and no one would even care about geography. It's all politics and bull$hit. I'm hoping more schools in the Sun Belt jump on the bandwagon and let us back in as a full member soon.

I would not put it past Benson at all to encourage not inviting NMSU in order to keep the WAC alive.
That has crossed my mind as well. The WAC's commissioner Jeff Hurd has worked for about 20 years I believe under Benson. They are really good friends.
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RE: So, that vote on whether to extend NMSU and Idaho
(11-25-2015 10:18 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  CP. Of course the WAC would not be pleased about losing NMSU to the Sun Belt. That goes without saying. However, I spoke with commissioner Hurd in Vegas at the WAC BB tourney and he told me face to face the last thing they want to see is NMSU leaving the WAC. I wonder if Hurd, who is a BFF of Benson will work behind closed doors to keep NMSU in this ridiculous duel conference membership deal to keep the WAC alive. I know NMSU's Olympic sports would enhance greatly the Sun Belts. Las Cruces is right at the fringes of the Sun Belt footprint but it close enough. I bet if Boise State wanted to the join the Sun Belt everybody would be $hitting in their pants and no one would even care about geography. It's all politics and bull$hit. I'm hoping more schools in the Sun Belt jump on the bandwagon and let us back in as a full member soon.

Hurd serves at the pleasure of the WAC schools. I am not talking about what Hurd thinks/knows is best, I am talking about what some of the WAC AD's and Presidents are considering.
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(11-26-2015 12:32 AM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  
(11-25-2015 10:18 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  CP. Of course the WAC would not be pleased about losing NMSU to the Sun Belt. That goes without saying. However, I spoke with commissioner Hurd in Vegas at the WAC BB tourney and he told me face to face the last thing they want to see is NMSU leaving the WAC. I wonder if Hurd, who is a BFF of Benson will work behind closed doors to keep NMSU in this ridiculous duel conference membership deal to keep the WAC alive. I know NMSU's Olympic sports would enhance greatly the Sun Belts. Las Cruces is right at the fringes of the Sun Belt footprint but it close enough. I bet if Boise State wanted to the join the Sun Belt everybody would be $hitting in their pants and no one would even care about geography. It's all politics and bull$hit. I'm hoping more schools in the Sun Belt jump on the bandwagon and let us back in as a full member soon.

Hurd serves at the pleasure of the WAC schools. I am not talking about what Hurd thinks/knows is best, I am talking about what some of the WAC AD's and Presidents are considering.

The WAC is still alive in name only. The Arizona schools have been gone for more than 35 years. The classic WAC with BYU, Utah, Colorado State, New Mexico, Air Force, etc., have been gone since the 90's. The schools which were in effect replacements for the 80's/90's era WAC, i.e., the decent to really good teams from the 2000's like Boise State, Fresno State, Hawaii, and Nevada have been gone for nearly five years. Heck, even schools like Texas State, UTSA, UTA, and Denver are gone after joining for only a year or two. Football itself is gone. The WAC today is the bottom of the totem pole in Division 1, alongside the Atlantic Sun and maybe the MEAC or SWAC. It's really sad because the WAC was truly one of the top 8 conferences for most of its existence.

Every school in that conference would leave for almost any other conference who would offer them a spot. Seattle, Bakersfield, and Utah Valley would all jump at the chance to join the WCC, Big West, or Big Sky. UTRGV would love to join the SLC, Sun Belt, or Summit. Chicago State and UMKC would certainly return to the Summit if given the opportunity and would backflip over the chance to join the Horizon or MVC.

Those other schools can be irritated that NMSU is interested in other opportunities, but how can they not be understanding. The WAC today is really just the Great West Conference plus a few other schools and an actual automatic bid to NCAA tournaments.

Benson should be smart enough to know that the WAC he served for 18 years can't be preserved. It's broken apart multiple times, and the WAC today is nothing more than an entry league for schools moving up from D2. Why is it a concern to him to preserve that?
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I could see a professional courtesy being extended to make sure the WAC has a replacement lined up before the Sun Belt takes New Mexico State - once Grand Canyon is a full member of Division I, the WAC should have some more flexibility with adding schools.

The other possibility is that the creation of another western FBS conference under the WAC or Big Sky name, of which New Mexico State and Idaho would be the key components.
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(11-27-2015 03:06 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I could see a professional courtesy being extended to make sure the WAC has a replacement lined up before the Sun Belt takes New Mexico State - once Grand Canyon is a full member of Division I, the WAC should have some more flexibility with adding schools.

The other possibility is that the creation of another western FBS conference under the WAC or Big Sky name, of which New Mexico State and Idaho would be the key components.

Where was the professional courtesy when the SBC took TXST and UTA? or when CUSA took La Tech and UTSA? or when the MWC took USU and SJSU? Professional courtesy does not happen when one conference takes a school from another. The only reason Benson would go to such lengths would be to help his former protege keep his job.

I do not see the formation of another FBS conference, for a few reasons:

CFP Money, where will it come from. Adding another conference will add more mouths to feed. The P5 will not allow money taken from their pot. i could see the P5 saying the money would come from the G5. The G5 would do everything to stop a new conference from forming if their money was threatened to be less.

Where would the new conference get bowl tie in's? Also there would be the waiting period for the schools transitioning from FCS to FBS.
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I don't see a new FBS conference before next decade, and realistically, it may not be much before the end of the current CFP contract in January 2026. The only way I see that getting moved up is if there is enough pressure about the conference invite rule (i.e. someone sues the NCAA), or if the playoff gets expanded to eight prior to the end of the current contract.

ESPN can print money with bowls, so they will probably work with a new conference, especially since FBS expansion allows for more 6-6 or better teams. The two year transition is the hardest part, simply because the transitioning schools can't count each other as FBS opponents, but it's only one year to work around. Getting the cooperation of schools like BYU, Army, and UMass can help fill the gap. Of course if NMSU and Idaho are in the independent boat for a year or two then they can play a "WAC" schedule to transition their new conference mates.

As far as the original topic, I think both NMSU and Idaho will be extended until Texas-Arlington and Eastern Kentucky get their houses in order. UALR could bump EKU, but UA System politics make that unlikely.
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